Can a born again Christian ever lose his salvation? - By Terry Watkins

[homwardbound]

So, after you were saved, you never once repented for any sin? never once asked again for forgiveness? not once? really?

After being Saved asking Christ into my heart and beleived and still do. I continued in sin and trying to stop it from happening and kept going to the cross and askinng for more forgiveness, until finally God showed me by scripture that I was already forgiven back the cross before I was ever born, I in essence was feeling pretty good about myself by asking ofr more and more and more thinking I was getting more and more forgivenss. I saw in scripture that Christ was here to tkae away the sin of the world per John the Baptist
John 1:29[ The Lamb of God ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Then he went to the cross as the last sacrifice and shedding of Blood, no more sacrificial system is today in place except for what man invented
Romans 6:10For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
How amny sins are left ?
Hebrews 7:27who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.
How many sins does it say here that he died for?
Hebrews 9:12Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
How many are left for you and or anyopne else? did he die for all or a few?
Hebrews 10:10By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

So are we going to crucify Christ over and over again?
Hebrews 6:6if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

In essence this asking over and over again has kept millions form seeing truth the truth that God gives one not by the death but by the life and one does not forsake sin as one already knows they can't, but in finalizing the Cross dieing to self and coming alive to God in truth does
Romans 5:10 since we all have been reconciled (Forgiven) by the cross the death, how much more shall one be saved by the resurrection. It is the life that saves and the death that forgave so that we could agree and die with Christ at the cross in the spirit of ones mind and be raised back to life by God the Father of christ and all this occurs by belief and trust in God the Father. Now if I ever do and whenever I do walk back thinking of are about the flesh as if I will sin again that is what kept me in oit and what is that keeps the rest of the world doing it over and over again having a flesh mindset even if it is trying to stop it
Galatians 6:8For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
So sowing to the Spirit reaps the Spirit and is alao explained in
Galatians 5:16-17
[h=3]Walking in the Spirit[/h][SUP]16 [/SUP]I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Keeping thoughts on flesh only only keeps one doing what is wrong because they have believed the lie that they need more forgiveness.
Now nowhere in the new Testament after the cross the deathof Christ, the new covenant the came into play is there anywhere that any disciple ever wrote to ask for more forgiveness if they sin. This ios nowhere tio be found
This is why I finally told God I am not going to call him a liar when he said he took all sin away at the cross, I believe him and have watched him peel me away like an onion . Therefore I do not ask for anymore forgiveness in fact if and when I do I go to him and say thank you that I am already forgiven and then ask to be taught how to not do that over again and God teaches better than any man ever could
Thanks

 

[homwardbound]

This means Jesus paid the price for our sin, now all we have to do is #1) REPENT #2) ASK for forgiveness then we know He will give it to us. But we still have to do both steps. In the old testament we would have to get a sacrifice. Now we can come boldly before the throne of God as His children.

Absolutely because what he did was finishe the sacrificial system and yes WOW!!!! Sis it seems God has opened it up to you

 

[homwardbound]

Absolutely because what he did was finishe the sacrificial system and yes WOW!!!! Sis it seems God has opened it up to you

I see not and it is quite fine God loves us both 100% even though you or anyone can not find anywhere in the word where there is a place to ask for further forgiveness after the death of Christ the disciples never instructed anyone once to ask for more forgiveness. Please check it out for yourself and see truth it is not there

 

[Skinski7]

After being Saved asking Christ into my heart and beleived and still do. I continued in sin and trying to stop it from happening and kept going to the cross and askinng for more forgiveness, until finally God showed me by scripture that I was already forgiven back the cross before I was ever born.

The Bible does not teach a single thing about asking Christ into your heart and simply believing and presto you are saved.

Nor does the Bible teach that your sins were already forgiven before you were born.

Sins are blotted out at the time of the refreshing, not 2000 years ago.

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;



This is what Paul taught...

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

You are claiming that you got saved and then continued to engage in your sins.

Jesus said if you commit sin then you are a slave to sin.

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

So your claiming to have been saved and set free and yet not be saved and still a slave, just forgiven. You are contradicting yourself and you are contradicting the Bible.

A person still engaged in their sins is not free from those sins. They have not been set free indeed. They are in bondage. They have not had their old man crucified and the body of sin destroyed. Their old man is still alive and the body of sin (a corpse) is still chained around their neck.

Do you seriously believe that an individual has been saved when they are still chained are to a corpse? That is the figurative language Paul was using in Rom 6:6.

You are teachings others that they can be saved and forgiven by simply trusting and believing APART from actually repenting and forsaking their sin. That is a Satanic message which will send those who buy into it into perdition.

Jesus came to set people FREE INDEED. Jesus did not come to save people and leave them slaves.

Don't be deceived Homward. Believe what the Bible PLAINLY states.

 

[gb9]

skinski, just a question: how do you respond to Peter asking Jesus how many times should he forgive his brother his trespass,and Jesus saying 70 times 7.

 

[Skinski7]

skinski, just a question: how do you respond to Peter asking Jesus how many times should he forgive his brother his trespass,and Jesus saying 70 times 7.

How does Jesus teaching that we ought to forgive our brother unlimited times negate this...

Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

or this...

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.


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[PS]

Acts 3:20 is interesting, "that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he shall send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus"

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown say The true reading is, “He shall send your predestinated (or foreordained) Messiah, Jesus.”

Acts 3:20 looks like confirmation of Rev 3:20 "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me."

 

[Skinski7]

Acts 3:20 is interesting, "that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he shall send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus"

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown say The true reading is, “He shall send your predestinated (or foreordained) Messiah, Jesus.”

Acts 3:20 looks like confirmation of Rev 3:20 "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me."

Actually it is better to compare scripture to scripture than turn to Bible commentators. I am a bit confused as to what you mean though with that commentary. I am not sure if you are referring to the refreshing taking place at some future time or if it immediately follows genuine repentance and faith. Clearly it occurs immediately following a genuine repentance and faith.

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

That verse specifically teaches that the sins are blotted out at the times of refreshing which comes from the Lord being present.

Here is Isaiah alluding to clearing away of sin if certain conditions are met.

Isa 1:16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
Isa 1:17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isa 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
Isa 1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

We see a washing in this next passage written in the present tense in the context of an individual who is approaching God in the new and living way with a true heart in full assurance of faith...

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Then in context with the above passage a strong warning is given in regards to sinning knowingly against grace.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

This warning is given because the when we are cleansed from all sin (1Joh 1:7) we are not left in a dirty state. To willfully transgress again it to treat the cleansing of the blood cheaply as if you can use it over and over again (ie. a license to sin). It is not God's intention to wash someone clean to have them go and jump back in the mud, that actually is a very dangerous thing to do and puts an individual in a worse state then when they were first dirty (2Pet 2:20-22).

Now if we look at this passage...

Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

In verse 13 sins being already forgiven is mentioned in the context of having been raised up and quickened by God. Refreshing in Act 3:19 means...

Refreshing - G403 - anapsuxis
From G404; properly a recovery of breath, that is, (figuratively) revival: - revival.

Quickened Together in Col 2:13 means...

Quickened Together - G4806 - suzōopoieō
From G4862 and G2227; to reanimate conjointly with (figuratively): - quicken together with.

Both terms are speaking of how one who is dead to God is made alive to God by being raised up by God's power to newness of life. This is why in Ephesians the quickening is associated with grace.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

Grace being what God provides freely to us, our part is simply to yield to God's grace and let God do His work in us. This is why God is only the author of the salvation of those whom obey Him. Those who are in disobedience in effect are blocking God for they are rejecting His will in them.

 

[PS]

I don't need the sermon thanks Skinski, I don't read long posts and I would rather go to the commentators than people who post on the internet. Having said that I seem to find myself agreeing with you, the simple point I was making is that the Lord refreshes those who come into his presence which is why we need to accept him into our life, hence (Rev 3:20) and as Acts 3:20 reminds us, it happens when we come into the presence of the Lord which we need to do.

A very simple, refreshing and wonderful truth.

Just to add, thank you for your post, it must have taken a lot of work and I appreciate that. God bless.

 

[homwardbound]

The Bible does not teach a single thing about asking Christ into your heart and simply believing and presto you are saved.

Nor does the Bible teach that your sins were already forgiven before you were born.

Sins are blotted out at the time of the refreshing, not 2000 years ago.

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;



This is what Paul taught...

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

You are claiming that you got saved and then continued to engage in your sins.

Jesus said if you commit sin then you are a slave to sin.

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

So your claiming to have been saved and set free and yet not be saved and still a slave, just forgiven. You are contradicting yourself and you are contradicting the Bible.

A person still engaged in their sins is not free from those sins. They have not been set free indeed. They are in bondage. They have not had their old man crucified and the body of sin destroyed. Their old man is still alive and the body of sin (a corpse) is still chained around their neck.

Do you seriously believe that an individual has been saved when they are still chained are to a corpse? That is the figurative language Paul was using in Rom 6:6.

You are teachings others that they can be saved and forgiven by simply trusting and believing APART from actually repenting and forsaking their sin. That is a Satanic message which will send those who buy into it into perdition.

Jesus came to set people FREE INDEED. Jesus did not come to save people and leave them slaves.

Don't be deceived Homward. Believe what the Bible PLAINLY states.

1 John 4:19We love because he first loved us. Plainly and please Skinski I am heart broken over you not seeing how much God Just Love You. He came to set the captives free and I tell you I am free and God has done this and you do not beleive God does this
WOW!!!!
The below verse Skinski is where one starts to see truth and the Mercy and responds with thankfulness,
Hebrews 2:3how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him.
1 John 4:19
We love because he first loved us.

He died for you Skinski and did this for you
Hebrews 9:12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.
Hebrews 9:26Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 10:1[ Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All ] The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
Hebrews 10:2Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins.
Skinski when are you going to stopfeeliing guilty for your sins and see what God did do for you in order to bring you to a new life in him
Hebrews 10:10And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

It is allright here laid out in front of you, and Love you

 

[homwardbound]

The Bible does not teach a single thing about asking Christ into your heart and simply believing and presto you are saved.

Nor does the Bible teach that your sins were already forgiven before you were born.

Sins are blotted out at the time of the refreshing, not 2000 years ago.

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;



This is what Paul taught...

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

You are claiming that you got saved and then continued to engage in your sins.

Jesus said if you commit sin then you are a slave to sin.

Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

So your claiming to have been saved and set free and yet not be saved and still a slave, just forgiven. You are contradicting yourself and you are contradicting the Bible.

A person still engaged in their sins is not free from those sins. They have not been set free indeed. They are in bondage. They have not had their old man crucified and the body of sin destroyed. Their old man is still alive and the body of sin (a corpse) is still chained around their neck.

Do you seriously believe that an individual has been saved when they are still chained are to a corpse? That is the figurative language Paul was using in Rom 6:6.

You are teachings others that they can be saved and forgiven by simply trusting and believing APART from actually repenting and forsaking their sin. That is a Satanic message which will send those who buy into it into perdition.

Jesus came to set people FREE INDEED. Jesus did not come to save people and leave them slaves.

Don't be deceived Homward. Believe what the Bible PLAINLY states.

I said what was past oh and also Skinski I am dead to soin and alive to Christ but with a potential to sin again in the future does not mean I will or won't or have you forgotten:
2 Peter 1:9But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.
Philippians 3:13Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead,
No forgiveness here by either Apostle, because we are forgiven and so if we do sin we have an
1 John 2:1My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

Who does what:
Hebrews 4:16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

So do we obtain Mercy because of what Christ did or not?
Job 9:34The mediator could make God stop beating me, and I would no longer live in terror of his punishment.
Has the mediator come?
Galatians 3:19Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people.

Galatians 3:20Now a mediator is helpful if more than one party must reach an agreement. But God, who is one, did not use a mediator when he gave his promise to Abraham.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity—the man Christ Jesus.

 

[homwardbound]

How does Jesus teaching that we ought to forgive our brother unlimited times negate this...

Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

or this...

Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.


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And this is done in me how about you?

 

[HSfilledlady]

Absolutely because what he did was finishe the sacrificial system and yes WOW!!!! Sis it seems God has opened it up to you

Yes I know who I am in Christ, but I am still not in agreement with the OSAS idea. I think this is a dangerous assumption that will lead many astray; and because they continue on, entrenched in sin, thinking if they pray a prayer one time in their lives, they are covered no matter what they do after that. This is false. I sincerely hope for your sake that this is not how you are conducting your walk with Christ. We are His beloved, we are His children, He can choose to keep us out of heaven for eternity, just like a parent may choose to kick their drug-addicted child out of their home. Is that what the parent wanted for their child ...no. But the path to salvation is Narrow. You have to do more than simply pray a prayer, not to earn salvation but to follow Christ's teachings and to try your best to obey God's rules--to stay on the path of righteousness.

 

[Drett]

Was Judas born again ?

 

[PS]

Was Judas born again ?

The spiritual state of Judas or anyone at any particular point in time is immaterial, the point is it is possible to be all for God at one time and then to fall away and if you say otherwise you are making a lie of the Bible.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

1 Timothy 1:19 Holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith,

2 Peter 2:15 Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray. They have followed the way of Balaam,

2 Peter 2:20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.

2 Peter 2:21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Ezekiel 33:18 “If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, he will die for it.”

Galations 5:4-7 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love. You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?

Hebrews 6:4 “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.”

Hebrews 10:26-29 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

Hebrews 12:15-17 See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled; that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal. For you know that afterward, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no chance to repent, though he sought it with tears.

Hebrews 3:12-14,18 Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end....And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient?

Luke 9:62 Jesus said to him, “No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.”

Proverbs 21:16 “A man who strays from the path of understanding comes to rest in the company of the dead.”

Revelation 2:4 But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first.

Revelation 2:5 Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent.

Romans 11:21-22 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.

 

[wisebeardman]

The river tells no lies though the dishonest man standing on the shore still hears them.

 

[homwardbound]

Yes I know who I am in Christ, but I am still not in agreement with the OSAS idea. I think this is a dangerous assumption that will lead many astray; and because they continue on, entrenched in sin, thinking if they pray a prayer one time in their lives, they are covered no matter what they do after that. This is false. I sincerely hope for your sake that this is not how you are conducting your walk with Christ. We are His beloved, we are His children, He can choose to keep us out of heaven for eternity, just like a parent may choose to kick their drug-addicted child out of their home. Is that what the parent wanted for their child ...no. But the path to salvation is Narrow. You have to do more than simply pray a prayer, not to earn salvation but to follow Christ's teachings and to try your best to obey God's rules--to stay on the path of righteousness.

You mis understand and do not kknow or believe that when Christ went to the cross and died he did it for the whole world, all are forgiven
2 Corinthians 5:18All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:

It was done once and for all
Hebrews 5:9and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him
Hebrews 7:27Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.

How many does ALL include
So since he did this for all, not all are saved by the death being forgiven or the whole wrold would be saved so what we saved by?
Romans 5:10For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

So we are saved by the life and so where is this life? It is in the resurrection of Christ and one receives this resurrected life here and now in the Spirit once they finalize that they are forgiven in Appreciation
It is not a matter of taking this amazing Salvation for granted or using it for an occasion to the flesh
It is a matter of appreciation
Now the corinthians did take advantage of this salvation as you claim or lead to claim that I do by not asking for more forgiveness if and whenever I sin. I can not predict future so Istay right here right now inthe present trusting God to take care of me for today, and thanking God for this provision that he has flourished on everyone
I am a responder to this miraculous grace lavished on me in thankfulness
other wise how would I or anyone ever escape
Hebrews 7:27Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
Hebrews 2:3how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him.
therefore do you believe God or not?

 

[Angela53510]

A long time ago, I used to believe that I could lose my salvation, and the same for my husband. I was always in fear, never knowing if I was doing a good enough job, and not growing at all in character, or the fruits of the Spirit.

One day, I thought about how GOD SAVED ME!! I did not save myself. From that point on, I have the peace and security of knowing God will never leave or forsake me.

"Never will I leave you;
never will I forsake you" Hebrews 13:5 from Deut 31:6

God is in control, not me. He shows me where I have failed, and daily I confess my sins to him.

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us." 1 John 1:9-10.

If God wrote in his Word that we can sin, we will sin, but Jesus still forgives us when we confess, other than really denying Christ, I can't see that we can lose our salvation.

By the way, I have continued to study and grow closer to God. I am confident that God will not cast me out.

"Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus," Hebrews 10:19

My husband, on the other hand, still believes he can lose his salvation. He is discouraged in his walk, and constantly feels he has done something and God will cast him out.

So this Arminan lie is a deceptive practice to keep people chained to the law, and to live in fear that God will "smote" them, and they will not spend eternity with Christ. Just my experience.

I could post so many more scriptures, but many have done so here.

I do believe the problem may be for those who make casual, emotional commitments, and never follow through on actually following God. Were they ever really saved in the first place? I leave that to God.

 

[Grandpa]

Did I already say NO?

Or was that last time?

My faith tells me that He will never leave me nor forsake me.
My faith tells me that nothing can come between me and the Love of God.
My faith tells me that all things work for the good for those that Love God and are called according to His purpose.
My faith tells me that We will overcome, by the Blood of the Lamb and the word of our testimony.

What does your faith tell you?

 

[RickShafer]

Who does?
Who know what they had to lose?
There are some that think they've made it when they haven't.
"Lord, Lord, didn't I do...."
But out of Jesus' own mouth," "all You have given me, I have kept, except the son of perdition that the scripture should be fulfilled"
We are to make our election sure, but God is the ultimate decider.
We are not to decide for Him.
Can a person born into the kingdom be lost?
NO.