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Those who have been saved cannot fall away. Only those who have heard and not received can fall away. The mental assent crowd can profess but they do not possess.
The change wrought in the heart by God when He saves a man is so profound that the very idea of falling away impossible. Scriptures are not understood by the intellect of unsaved men. They are loved and adored by those who have been saved and fellowship in the presence of and with Almighty God. The ultimate members only club.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The change wrought in the heart by God when He saves a man is so profound that the very idea of falling away impossible. Scriptures are not understood by the intellect of unsaved men. They are loved and adored by those who have been saved and fellowship in the presence of and with Almighty God. The ultimate members only club.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
And yet we read...
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Says if they fall away, they cannot be renewed. You can't renew something that has never been. They were converted but fell away.
What Christ promises us is that no OUTSIDE force of any kind can separate us from God...
Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Yet we have the free will to choose to leave.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Says if they fall away, they cannot be renewed. You can't renew something that has never been. They were converted but fell away.
What Christ promises us is that no OUTSIDE force of any kind can separate us from God...
Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Yet we have the free will to choose to leave.
7) those that deny salvation is conditional will try to get around it by claiming one can fall out of fellowship with God yet maintain his salvation anyway. One either fellowships God or Satan, light or darkness, righteousness or unrighteousness, 2 Cor 6:14. It's not possible that one can be in fellowship/communion with Satan, darkness and unrighteousness and be saved.
I believe a Christian can slip and even fall away from the Lord but not to damnation or to the imaginary point of being 'unborn'. Once a new creation always a new creation regardless of the creeping hardness of heart.
The thing is the Lord doesn't sit passively by watching his children drift, but is active in chastising and bringing them to repentance.
The thing is the Lord doesn't sit passively by watching his children drift, but is active in chastising and bringing them to repentance.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Heb 6:7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
Heb 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
I guess I should not have expected you to comprehend what is said in Hebrews 6. It is difficult for many to understand. The writer of Hebrews is not suggesting that a saved person can fall away but if it were possible it would then be impossible fro them to ever be restored. All the folks that teach that you are able to lose it or walk away from it always leave the door open to return. Hebrews 6 seals the door on those teachers. It is a classic Jewish teaching and reasoning technique to present a matter in this fashion.
I do not know why this would matter to you since you teach that no one is saved until the resurrection. How does this relate to your soteriology?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I do not know why this would matter to you since you teach that no one is saved until the resurrection. How does this relate to your soteriology?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Rom 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
A Christian who falls away leaving Christ is then in condemnation.
Jn 6:66 "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him."
Did these disciples of Christ remain saved even though they walked with Him no more/even though they fell away? No.
Did Jesus make disciples to follow Him against their will? No. Make them repent? No.
A Christian who falls away leaving Christ is then in condemnation.
Jn 6:66 "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him."
Did these disciples of Christ remain saved even though they walked with Him no more/even though they fell away? No.
Did Jesus make disciples to follow Him against their will? No. Make them repent? No.
John 3:18 they loved the darkness and their sin and would not come to Christ. They left Jesus because He was not teaching that He was there to rid them of the Roman occupation. They did not desire a Savior for their sins but someone to rid them of the oppression of Rome. Really like the person today who only wants God to give them the ability to save themselves. They do not want salvation by Gods grace but salvation in cooperation with Gods grace so they can have somewhat in which to glory.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
are you saying the unsaved is under the blood of the covenant..???are you saying the unsaved is sanctified????
please answer those two questions
Hebrews 10:28-30King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
please answer those two questions
Hebrews 10:28-30King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
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If you study scripture, he makes this very promise.
He will leave the 99 to find the one lost sheep. He will never leave nor forsake us, No one can take us from his hand (this would include ourselves)
Just trust God, and you will never fear again, He did not give us a spirit of fear. but an abba father
He will leave the 99 to find the one lost sheep. He will never leave nor forsake us, No one can take us from his hand (this would include ourselves)
Just trust God, and you will never fear again, He did not give us a spirit of fear. but an abba father