can anyone baptize?

dcontroversal · May 29, 2017

Men and religions have complicated immersion.....my view is the authority lies in immersion itself...if one has been biblically saved and then immersed by one who was biblically saved and immersed it is a continuing cycle....most will argue this.....and I stand by my first statement.........it has been complicated by men and religion!

Dino246 · May 29, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Agreed, and I'll offer a Scripture passage to support it: 1 Corinthians 1:13-17. Paul wasn't sent to baptize; for the most part, he left that to others who were brought into the Kingdom through his ministry.

NoNameMcgee · May 29, 2017

dcontroversal said:

care to give me an opinion?

it seems to me when God revealed the truth of Jesus to me

is when i got my new heart
and ive changed more and more as i stay in the Word and prayer

but lately ive been considering finding a good "church" for baptism

would you say
it doesnt matter either way?
or doing this for our Father in Heaven is something i SHOULD seriously consider?

posthuman · May 29, 2017

interestingly,

today, in our congregation we baptized a father, who then immediately baptized his own son.

dcontroversal · May 29, 2017

NoNameMcgee said:

My view is the following....

a. Not all churches that name Jesus are legit....only those who teach the truth about salvation
b. Any so called church that sprinkles is false
c. Any church that baptizes infants is false
d. Any church that embellishes salvation with works is false

Yes it does matter.....I cannot tell you where to go or who to seek out for immersion....you must study, examine their doctrinal statement and chose based upon your conviction bro....but for sure you can alleviate many based upon their stance........

dcontroversal · May 29, 2017

posthuman said:

Absolutely nothing wrong with this at all!

NoNameMcgee · May 29, 2017

posthuman said:

this is heart warming to me for some reason

like God revealed the truth to father and son and they are gonna grow in the Word and help eachother follow Jesus

how old was the son?

NoNameMcgee · May 29, 2017

dcontroversal said:

My view is the following....

a. Not all churches that name Jesus are legit....only those who teach the truth about salvation
b. Any so called church that sprinkles is false
c. Any church that baptizes infants is false
d. Any church that embellishes salvation with works is false

Yes it does matter.....I cannot tell you where to go or who to seek out for immersion....you must study, examine their doctrinal statement and chose based upon your conviction bro....but for sure you can alleviate many based upon their stance........

well said

thank you

dcontroversal · May 29, 2017

NoNameMcgee said:

Your welcome bro.....

Desertsrose · May 29, 2017

dcontroversal said:

Right you are!

Consider the church at Ephesus. For a period of time they had no elders. So when someone was saved who was there to baptize them? Fellow believers in Christ.

We had some friends baptize their children in our pool. I know of a couple who each baptized themselves in their bathtub. We don't need to put rigid rules on others.

I do think they need to understand what they're doing though.

From gotquestions:

Water baptism symbolizes the believer’s total trust in and total reliance on the Lord Jesus Christ, as well as a commitment to live obediently to Him. It also expresses unity with all the saints (Ephesians 2:19), that is, with every person in every nation on earth who is a member of the Body of Christ (Galatians 3:27–28). Water baptism conveys this and more, but it is not what saves us. Instead, we are saved by grace through faith, apart from works (Ephesians 2:8–9). We are baptized because our Lord commanded it: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19).

Water baptism is for believers. Before we are baptized, we must come to believe that we are sinners in need of salvation (Romans 3:23). We must also believe that Christ died on the cross to pay for our sins, that He was buried, and that He was resurrected to assure our place in heaven (1 Corinthians 15:1–4). When we turn to Jesus, asking Him to forgive our sins and be our Lord and Savior, we are born again by the power of the Holy Spirit. Our eternal salvation is guaranteed, and we begin to die to ourselves and live for Christ (1 Peter 1:3–5). At that time we are scripturally qualified to be baptized.

Water baptism is a beautiful picture of what our Lord has done for us. As we are completely immersed in the water, we symbolize burial with our Lord; we are baptized into His death on the cross and are no longer slaves to self or sin (Romans 6:3–7). When we are raised out of the water, we are symbolically resurrected—raised to new life in Christ to be with Him forever, born into the family of our loving God (Romans 8:16). Water baptism also illustrates the spiritual cleansing we experience when we are saved; just as water cleanses the flesh, so the Holy Spirit cleanses our hearts when we trust Christ.

The fact that water baptism is not a prerequisite for salvation is best seen in the example of a saved man who was not baptized in water—the criminal on the cross (Luke 23:39–43). This self-confessed sinner acknowledged Jesus as his Lord while dying on a cross next to Him. The thief asked for salvation and was forgiven of his sins. Although he never experienced water baptism, at that moment he was spiritually baptized into Christ’s death, and he then was raised to eternal life by the power of Christ’s word (Hebrews 1:3).

Christians should be baptized out of obedience to and love for our Lord Jesus (John 14:15). Water baptism by immersion is the biblical method of baptism because of its symbolic representation of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

posthuman · May 29, 2017

NoNameMcgee said:

about 13-14

the father called him "brother" as he lifted him out of the water

birdie · May 29, 2017

I enjoy your name NoNameMcgee. The word 'baptized' just means washed. What it is referring to is being washed free from sin, because of what Jesus did on the cross. That is why the Bible says that we are baptized into his death, because he paid the price. It is not the ritual that "churches" perform. Such a ritual is of no consequence. The Bible says: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved". Does this mean he that believes and has a church ritual performed by being dunked in physical water will be saved. No. It means he that believes and has his sins washed away will be saved. So there is no need for a person whom Christ has saved to perform immersion in physical water.

Rockrz · May 29, 2017

Here's an interesting story I heard once...

A man is stumbling through the woods, totally drunk, when he comes
upon a preacher baptizing people in the river. He proceeds to walk into
the water and subsequently bumps into the preacher.

The preacher turns around and is almost overcome by the smell of alcohol, whereupon he asks the drunk, "Are you ready to find Jesus?"

The drunk answers, "Yes, I am." So the preacher grabs him and dunks him in the water.

The preacher pulls the drunk up and asks him, "Brother, have you found Jesus?"

The drunk sputters, "No, I haven't found Jesus."

The preacher, shocked at the answer, dunks him into the water again for a little longer. He again pulls him out of the water and asks again, "Have you found Jesus, my brother?"

The drunk again sputters and answers, "No, I haven't found Jesus."

By this time the preacher is at his wit's end and dunks the drunk in the water again --- but this time holds him down for about 30 seconds and when the drunk begins kicking his arms and legs, the preacher pulls him up.

The preacher again asks the drunk, "For the love of God, have you found Jesus?"

The drunk sputters, spits, wipes his eyes, catches his breath and asks the preacher, "No, preacher, but I've got two questions for YOU. Don't you have anybody else looking, and are you sure this is where He fell in?"

pottersclay · May 30, 2017

Jesus strongly encouraged baptism, as do I. It is your first step of humility and obedience.
To publicly admit you need a savior, Christ the Lord, that you needed to be cleaned, and you believe in th death and resurrection.
I have baptized a few souls and what a blessing it is. I was baptized in a lake by my pastor with my wife and son. A great memory.

OneFaith · May 30, 2017

Bryancampbell said:

Yes. I have baptized. What if you are stranded on an island with them? Does that mean if you are a woman, and taught them, and they wanted to get baptized, that they couldn't get baptized cause there's no man to do it? Of course not. We are all priests in Christ, orders for male or female have to do with the worship assembly. But we are all called to share the gospel, to make new disciples.

It has nothing to do with who does it- it's between that person and God. The Bible says "Is Christ divided?" "One says I was baptized by Paul, another by Cephas." They are not baptized into Paul, Paul did not die for thier sins. It is not the church of Paul. They are baptized into the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Its like this... There is a boat in the midst of many people drowning in shark infested water. One of them calls out to be saved. Does it matter who pulls them into the boat? No- what matters is that they are in the boat. What if it wasn't male or female? What if it was a ladder? What if they are the only one stranded on an island, found a Bible, read it, and went in the water and baptized them-self?

It has nothing to do with who does it.

hornetguy · May 30, 2017

There is no need to do that.... you are not being baptized into that "good" church... you are being baptized into Christ's church.

Get several of your Christian brothers and sisters, and find a pool, pond, river, wherever... and be baptized. Any one of your brothers/sisters can do it... it's not who "dunks" you, it's what's in your heart, and WHO you are being "dunked" into....

there is no need to find a "good church".... you should find a good church with whom to fellowship, but don't put off your baptism until you find one.

Paul didn't have a "good church" to join, after his conversion on the road to Damascus.... after he regained his sight, he immediately went and was baptized... key word... immediately. Every example listed in the word shows that baptism is desired/done immediately upon accepting Jesus.... why should we complicate it, as DC has pointed out?

I urge you to not wait... there is no reason for delay.

Rockrz · May 30, 2017

And, if you don't know any Christian brothers and sisters... you could always do this celebration privately between yourself and Jesus if need be.

Point is... if you have no been baptized since becoming a believer, you should do this at your earliest convenience.

prove-all · May 30, 2017

Apr. 28, 2017

Pope Francis’s recent trip to Egypt was marked by a surprise announcement.
https://www.ncronline.org/news/world/pope-francis-and-coptic-pope-agree-not-re-baptize

In a joint declaration signed on Friday, April 28, Pope Francis and Coptic Pope
Tawadros ii agreed that they would not require rebaptism for Roman Catholics
who seek to join the Coptic Orthodox Church, and vice versa.

The Roman Catholic Church baptizes by sprinkling and the Coptic Orthodox
baptizes by immersion, but this declaration opens the way for the two churches
to recognize each other’s baptism sacrament.

“We, with one mind and heart, will seek sincerely not to repeat the baptism
that has been administered in either of our churches for any person who
wishes to join the other,” declared the two popes.

“This we confess in obedience to the Holy Scriptures.”
This declaration carries special significance.

Both Catholics and Copts teach that a person can only be baptized once.
Requiring someone to be rebaptized implies his or her original baptism was
invalid. Recognizing a shared baptism implies a belief that both churches
are part of one body, regardless of lingering doctrinal differences.

This declaration comes 44 years after Pope Paul vi met with Coptic Pope
Shenouda iii in 1973—the first meeting between a Catholic and Coptic pope
Historic Meeting between Pope Francis and Coptic Patriarch, Tawadros II, Fosters Christian Unity - Europe - International - News - Catholic Online

since the two churches officially split in a.d. 451.
Who Are Egypt's Coptic Christians And What Do They Believe? | HuffPost

Relations between the Catholic Church and the Coptic Church have improved
dramatically over the past several years as both churches have faced a rising
threat from Islamic extremism across the Middle East and North Africa.

“Today, there’s the ecumenism of blood,”
https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/francis-calls-anti-christian-violence-ecumenism-blood

Pope Francis told an Italian reporter in December 2013.

Muzungu256 · May 30, 2017

can someoen who knows answer me if a woman can baptize a man???????? woman who isnt a pastor or anything but is a Godly woman!!!!!!!!????????

NoNameMcgee · May 30, 2017

Muzungu256 said:

a woman being a pastor is a touchy subject

but why couldnt she baptize
..

to my understanding if your mom loves Jesus

there shouldnt be a problem with her to baptize you in Jesus name

(mom or any sister in christ)

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