Can demons be destroyed?

[Shiloah]

Then I stand by my post. Your God is a tyrannt! Your God is not Just. No Just God would keep anybody alive for the purpose of torturing them forever and ever.

How about if we find sombody that we hate and torture them? Here in the United States,, we can't do anything to anybody..And if we do we are called vile, and evil. Ever heard of waterboarding? It is considered torture. Vile and evil. Only it lasts until you tell us what we want to know.

Those who have lived a mere 40-50 years,,,are sentenced to a torture chamber for all eternity? Let's put it in persepctive.. Your telling me that the God you worship is Just and fair? Keeping the wicked angels & humans alive for Billions upon Billions of years,,, all because of a few decades of selfish living? lol..

Some people are not that bad. I know a whole bunch of people who don't believe in God. They aren't out robbing and stealing. They have jobs, raise their families, pay their bills, help their neighbors, support their schools. And here you and your God both think they need to be tortured for Billions upon Billions of years?

Dan,, you have pre-concieved ideas, that are nothing but downright foolishness!

To think that a 20 year old kid, who rejected God out of his youthful ignorance and rotton parents that helped him form his ideas,, dies, without ever recieving Jesus,, and you and your god sentence him to billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions of years is not the attributes of a Loving, compassionate God!

Those are the attributes of a mean, evil, disgusting, offensive, and sick minded tyrannt!

If that is your god,, I reject him totally.

Dan,, you just haven't thought these things thru, like I and many others have. I believe you can't stand to be wrong. So you are willing to compromise the truth in order to make your doctrine stick.

Same thing with you telling me that Samuel was in paradise when the Witch of Endor raised him... Then ol Samuel tells Saul "tommorrow you and your sons will be with me." And that means that you think Saul was granted Salvation and awaits his crown of righteousness in Paradise,, not only Saul but all of his sons,, cause ol Samuel says they will be there too...

You knew you erred. But you couldn't handle being wrong. So then you adjusted your doctrine. You then made the claim that Paradise and hades are in the same place,, just different compartments. That way you could claim you were right .

I hope those who believe I am disrespectful and hateful read this post.. I am neither.. I do however LOVE the Truth and will not compromise it.

My unwillingness to compromise the Truth may be misunderstood by the majority of people. I already know that folks who hate the truth will surely dislike me. Jesus reinterated that message to me already. And He was right!

My worst attribute: Being Truthful.

Yes, this concept just kills me. Any government on earth that took criminals and tortured them day and night until they finally died just about anyone would consider bizarre and monstrous, let alone Christians saying that God does this, not even for the period of one lifetime, but for time without end! I honestly think people that believe this don't care enough to study deeply, or else they just plain don't care what happens to anyone but themselves, orrrr they plainly don't care that their God must be a worst sadist than the worst sadistic monsters on this earth. Just as long as they can get their butt ends to heaven, hey, who cares?

 

[Shiloah]

Handling demons is God's business, not ours. Listening to them or not listening to them is our business. God gives us what is eternal, what leads to walking with him. Demons give us lies.

I have hallucinations, they are like the demons. I am going blind with glaucoma, so when the pressure builds in my eyes nerves die that carry sight and there is only blackness in the area. One eye is gone. But just as when an arm is cut off, the brain simply cannot believe there is no sight there and in the case of an arm you feel it is there. With sight, when you are not fully conscious with sleep the brain makes up images to fill the black areas. A man walked in my bedroom the other night. Like the thoughts demons give us, he wasn't real, it was a lie. I shook my head to fully wake and saw it was a hallucination. No man there.

So we can shake our heads and live with the truth of our Lord, we don't have to accept the lies of demons.

Kisses and hugs, RedTent.

 

[4enlightment]

I have encountered shadow people. I was not a Christian at the time but I am certain calling on Jesus when shadow people are present, will not hurt and likely will get rid of the shadow person.

I was raised in the word but at a time in my life I had strayed from God and went to logic. But when I had experienced this dark entity which it didn't brought me back at the time but it got me starting to think. I tried to brush it off as if it was the lead base paint on the walls of the home that I was in that was giving me hallucinations, but later on I had heard from others about this entity and they had experienced the same pattern that it behaved towards me.

 

[Shiloah]

Just had posted this on another post.


Heidi Hollis's appearances on the Coast to Coast AM late night radio radio talk show helped popularize modern beliefs in shadow people. Hollis described them as dark silhouettes with human shapes and profiles that flicker in and out of peripheral vision,[SUP][6][/SUP] and claimed that people had reported the figures attempting to "jump on their chest and choke them".[SUP][7][/SUP] She believes they can be repelled by using "the name of Jesus".[SUP][8][/SUP]
Although participants in online discussion forums devoted to paranormal and supernatural topics describe them as menacing, among other believers and paranormal authors, there is no consensus that shadow people are either evil, helpful, or neutral, and some even speculate that shadow people may be the extra-dimensional inhabitants of another universe.[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP] Some paranormal investigators and authors such as Chad Stambaugh claim to have recorded images of shadow people on video.[SUP][10][/SUP]
Shadow people feature in two episodes of ITV paranormal documentary series Extreme Ghost Stories, where they are described as "black
masses"

<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: sans-serif">[video=youtube_share;myJQbCoBRgE]http://youtu.be/myJQbCoBRgE[/video]

This has got to be one of the dumbest videos I've ever seen. There's no explanation whatsoever of where, why, or who saw these figures in the trees, or if anyone actually saw them! There's no explanation included in this video at all, other than the now and then typed words on the screen. Even if this is a homemade video, it still rates as the stupidest I've ever seen. I've no idea what I was to derive from it.

 

[Tethered]

This has got to be one of the dumbest videos I've ever seen. There's no explanation whatsoever of where, why, or who saw these figures in the trees, or if anyone actually saw them! There's no explanation included in this video at all, other than the now and then typed words on the screen. Even if this is a homemade video, it still rates as the stupidest I've ever seen. I've no idea what I was to derive from it.

Funding comes from the entertainment business, says it all.

 

[4enlightment]

Here is the site that give more info on the Shadow people.Shadow person - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Lurking Shadow People | Mysterious Universe


I've been trying to figure out if this video is for real or not.



[video=youtube_share;PW6zzqZa9Ck]http://youtu.be/PW6zzqZa9Ck[/video]



And here's someone comments


The TRUTH on Sleep Paralysis: Deliverance In JESUS Name! - YouTube

 

[MidniteWelder]

10And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown.
They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Looks like destroyed ....continuously....for ever and ever to me

 

[Elizabeth619]

I don't eat cheerios and everybody under my roof is a Christian,, so,, we don't consume urine, nor would we pee in another persons cheerios.

1. God did create demons. A demon is just a term for an angel that doesn't serve the God that created him. If you think some other entity out there created demons other than God the Creator,,, do tell.

2. Humans are not angels. I agree... Both can be blotted out of existence.

3. Only those who do not Love the Truth find me disrespectful and hateful. I suppose I can include you. I know what Danschance believes.

Perhaps you should visit his home page and look up all the inconsiderate posts he has made about me... and about my Doctrine!,, And about My Church! And about the Members of my Church. And about the Prophet of my church, Ellen White.

So yep,, I fired a round right across the bow of his boat. I intend on correcting and uncovering the lies that he continually posts in these discussions. His big lie is that we don't die, demons don't die,, nobody dies,,, and that is a lie from the same liar that gave us this lie:

"Ye shall not surely die"

He has made hateful comments to you so then you're justified by how you talk to him? What's wrong with being the bigger person?
I may have been harsh toward you, and I apologize but how is it a Christian attitude to continue to argue like that? Ok. You two don't get along. Walk away. You know, turn the other cheek...

 

[danschance]

Here is the site that give more info on the Shadow people.Shadow person - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Lurking Shadow People | Mysterious Universe




I've been trying to figure out if this video is for real or not.



[video=youtube_share;PW6zzqZa9Ck]http://youtu.be/PW6zzqZa9Ck[/video]



And here's someone comments


The TRUTH on Sleep Paralysis: Deliverance In JESUS Name! - YouTube

Sleep paralysis can not explain what people see when they are not sleeping. I think sleep paralysis is demonic anyway because it is common in people who have a demonic issue. Now I am sure you will defend a naturalist position and each of us will mock the other's ignorance.

 

[Kerry]

To the OP. No they cannot be destroyed, they can only burn in hell fire for eternity.

 

[danschance]

Then I stand by my post. Your God is a tyrannt! Your God is not Just. No Just God would keep anybody alive for the purpose of torturing them forever and ever.

How about if we find sombody that we hate and torture them? Here in the United States,, we can't do anything to anybody..And if we do we are called vile, and evil. Ever heard of waterboarding? It is considered torture. Vile and evil. Only it lasts until you tell us what we want to know.

Those who have lived a mere 40-50 years,,,are sentenced to a torture chamber for all eternity? Let's put it in persepctive.. Your telling me that the God you worship is Just and fair? Keeping the wicked angels & humans alive for Billions upon Billions of years,,, all because of a few decades of selfish living? lol..

Some people are not that bad. I know a whole bunch of people who don't believe in God. They aren't out robbing and stealing. They have jobs, raise their families, pay their bills, help their neighbors, support their schools. And here you and your God both think they need to be tortured for Billions upon Billions of years?

Dan,, you have pre-concieved ideas, that are nothing but downright foolishness!

To think that a 20 year old kid, who rejected God out of his youthful ignorance and rotton parents that helped him form his ideas,, dies, without ever recieving Jesus,, and you and your god sentence him to billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions of years is not the attributes of a Loving, compassionate God!

Those are the attributes of a mean, evil, disgusting, offensive, and sick minded tyrannt!

If that is your god,, I reject him totally.

Dan,, you just haven't thought these things thru, like I and many others have. I believe you can't stand to be wrong. So you are willing to compromise the truth in order to make your doctrine stick.

Same thing with you telling me that Samuel was in paradise when the Witch of Endor raised him... Then ol Samuel tells Saul "tommorrow you and your sons will be with me." And that means that you think Saul was granted Salvation and awaits his crown of righteousness in Paradise,, not only Saul but all of his sons,, cause ol Samuel says they will be there too...

You knew you erred. But you couldn't handle being wrong. So then you adjusted your doctrine. You then made the claim that Paradise and hades are in the same place,, just different compartments. That way you could claim you were right .

I hope those who believe I am disrespectful and hateful read this post.. I am neither.. I do however LOVE the Truth and will not compromise it.

My unwillingness to compromise the Truth may be misunderstood by the majority of people. I already know that folks who hate the truth will surely dislike me. Jesus reinterated that message to me already. And He was right!

My worst attribute: Being Truthful.

Was God being a tyrant when he destroyed five towns (of which Sodom and Gomorrah was two of the five)?
Was God being a tyrant when he ordered the deaths of the Canaanites?
Was God a tyrant when He killed jews who wanted a new leader other than moses?

I think you should reconsider calling God names.

 

[FIRE_of_ELIJAH]

demons are immortal beings like us. They cannot be destroyed but they can be tormented,bound,felt pain. There coming damnation were already set when the exact time comes. They will be forever tormented together with satan and his angels and the sinners.

 

[Bryancampbell]

It's just like pokemon....they don't die on the game.

 

[Michael50]

He has made hateful comments to you so then you're justified by how you talk to him? What's wrong with being the bigger person?
I may have been harsh toward you, and I apologize but how is it a Christian attitude to continue to argue like that? Ok. You two don't get along. Walk away. You know, turn the other cheek...

Your harshness doesn't bother me. No need to apologize to me. We are here to discuss the Bible. When folks, like Danschance lie and others lie and attempt to convince others of the lie that Satan has decieved them with,, I will surely step in and give the readers and opposing viewpoint. If you can't handle it,, perhaps YOU should not read my posts. Afterall,, you can click your mouse button and NOT read my posts.

I don't read several peoples posts. I don't even comment to several people unless they are telling lies about God.

Claiming God keeps the wicked alive so that He can torture them for Billions Upon Billions of years is a Lie! It is a cheap shot against the Creator.... It's just as bad as claiming Jesus is nothing but a created human that was given special priveledge. And there are a few on here that believe that condescending lie too.

So, when the select group (christian chat clique) begin their attacks on People that don't buy into their lies,, there will be trouble and dissention. Jesus brings dissention!

I have no intention of befriending Danschance. He is welcomed to his beliefs. But,,, when he begins to spread his lies as the Gospel Truth,, I will step-in and correct his errors.... Not for his own good,, for I already believe he is committed to a lie, but for others that he is attemtpting to poison with his false Doctrine!

For me to turn ,ignore and walk away,, would be the same as,,,, Ignoring the screams of a child being hurt.

I'm not going to let a select few on this chat bully me or anybody else. I have seen that is what they do.

God has instilled in me what is to come. I tell you,, these 2 subjects will by no means pass by the wayside: The false teaching that soul is immortal & Sunday Sacredness will go hand in hand.

And I guarantee you,, that the clique I'm mentioning believes both,,, The soul to be immortal and that Sunday is the day we ought to set aside for worship....

Satan is the propagator of both lies. And he has several in here decieved.

When Jesus comes and we are in heaven,,, you will apologize to me again. Once it has been shown to you that God is compassionate, The 7th day is the Sabbath and the dead are just that, dead.

It is extremely important that these lies on these subjects are exposed. And that is why God has placed me here in your ranks on Christian Chat.

Have a nice day. I'm not as bad as you think.

 

[4enlightment]

Sleep paralysis can not explain what people see when they are not sleeping. I think sleep paralysis is demonic anyway because it is common in people who have a demonic issue. Now I am sure you will defend a naturalist position and each of us will mock the other's ignorance.

No I'm not; I'm only for the spiritual team.

[video=youtube_share;xp67aaVsMa4]http://youtu.be/xp67aaVsMa4[/video]

 

[Michael50]

Was God being a tyrant when he destroyed five towns (of which Sodom and Gomorrah was two of the five)?
Was God being a tyrant when he ordered the deaths of the Canaanites?
Was God a tyrant when He killed jews who wanted a new leader other than moses?

I think you should reconsider calling God names.

Not as long as He destroyed them and put them to death.

How's comes you are changing subjects again? The other subjects weren't going to good for you were they?

How's comes you have God puttin the wicked people to death on the earth..... but when we get to the afterlife,, you change oil....... And suddenly God becomes A Torturer and an Oppresive Hater of the children of men,, keeping millions upon millions of people alive for the sole purpose of torturing them for Billions upon Billions of years?

Is that how you knopw God is so great,,, he takes our loved ones and torutres them for billions and billions of years..


If any country on the earth tortures people,,, we begin talk of war,, of sending troops,,, economic sanctions,,ect....

But if your god does it,,, then by golly He is compassionate and loving,, right?

You are a walking talking contradiction.

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

Be careful what you write(say) expounding on what and if and How God does something or will or can. Reading the Good book (one can read and think like the so called leaders of Israel Pharisees example) to say one knows the details by reading and interpreting and not expressing the fruit of the Holy Spirit for the sake of speculative truth, whether they are destroyed by their function and participation in God's kingdom or by annihilation will you really care? One consideration to the importance of this subject is the eternal deterrence and using the ability of actually seeing them in hell making the greatest deterrent absolutely accomplished by God looking upon them in Hell seeing the consequences of sin and rebelling against God in the eternal ages to come the perfect deterrent for angel and mankind to forever reject another rebellion and any choice of sin.

 

[MaggieMye]

Demons are simply angels that fell with Lucifer and are now on the earth waiting until judgement.
One day they will face the full fury and wrath of God and be destroyed in the lake of fire. We cannot destroy them, but there will come a time when they are finally all thrown into hell.
When a demon is exorcised it is expelled from that persons life as they are covered by the power of Christ, it is not destroyed.

I disagree. Demons are NOT the angels that fell with Lucifer. THOSE angels ARE locked up, awaiting judgment and THEREFORE, CANNOT be the entities that Spirit-filled and empowered Christians cast out of people oppressed or possessed by demons. They cannot be one and the same. Demons are just that: Demons. They were created by God for His Good purposes. Scripture tells us that He did create evil. Understand that without evil, without temptation, there is no free will. Proverbs 16:4The Lord has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil.

 

[MaggieMye]

Demons are spiritual creatures...evil spirits. Angels are ANGELS. Nowhere in scripture does one read that the angels that defied God and followed Lucifer TURNED INTO demons. Nowhere. Demons, because they are spirits, cannot be killed. They can be cast out, HOWEVER, they also have the ability to COME BACK if the person they were cast out of does not fill themselves up with the word of God.
Maggie

 

[Shiloah]

Be careful what you write(say) expounding on what and if and How God does something or will or can. Reading the Good book (one can read and think like the so called leaders of Israel Pharisees example) to say one knows the details by reading and interpreting and not expressing the fruit of the Holy Spirit for the sake of speculative truth, whether they are destroyed by their function and participation in God's kingdom or by annihilation will you really care? One consideration to the importance of this subject is the eternal deterrence and using the ability of actually seeing them in hell making the greatest deterrent absolutely accomplished by God looking upon them in Hell seeing the consequences of sin and rebelling against God in the eternal ages to come the perfect deterrent for angel and mankind to forever reject another rebellion and any choice of sin.

Nope, it's not. A lie is not a righteous deterrent to people who choose to do evil, if for no other reason then because it's a lie, and God does not lie. But the teaching that God sends sinners to a never ending torture chamber isn't just a lie, it's an insult to God's righteousness. Hence, it's a dangerous lie. If Christ gave His live on the cross allowing Himself to be tortured to death by mankind for the purpose of bringing in the sheep, how great a crime is it to tell a lie which rightfully drives the sheep away from Him? You drive sheep away from Christ with lies and you call that what? That's a sin against Christ Himself.