Can demons be destroyed?

[Shiloah]

Destroyed - a problem with semantics.

I think the problem here is all about semantics.

The questions is about angels being destroyed, but nobody bothered to define the word "destroyed."
This word CAN be used in different ways, so we need to decide what we're talking about.

Some are using the word "destroy" to mean things like "eternally punished", "stripped of power", or "removed from their current place and position." If this is your definition of destroy, then God is going to destroy the fallen angels (demons) according to scripture.

If you are using the word "destroy" to me "cease to exist", then it's a whole different matter. God does not, anywhere in scripture, say he is going to "uncreate" the fallen angels, or cause them the "cease to exist." According to scripture God's plan is not to "uncreate" them, but rather to "eternally punish" them.

However, since God DID create all the angels, he certainly has the power to "uncreate" them if he wanted to. But according the scripture, that isn't his plan.

Well that is the whole thing right there. I personally believe scriptures do say God will literally destroy the devil and his angels, as in they will no longer exist. I realize you think differently on that, and I'm not trying to get that debate started. The funny thing about this topic is that in all the debates I've seen over it, I've never seen anyone change their position no matter how many scriptures are put out there from both sides. It seems like people interpret this area differently and they just plain don't change.

 

[Michael50]

Anything than man does with his hands can be destroyed. If he build a house, he can destroy it. If men build a dam, they can surely destroy it and allow the water to flow. All works of man can be destroyed by man.

So it is with God..Anything that God can create, He can also destroy, that is,, blot out of existence!

If God can create us and Demons,, what makes folks think He can't blot us as well as Demons out of existence?

The whole idea that God can only create, but can't blot out of existence, is just plain silly.

We can blot a person out of existence, at least til Jesus returns and raises them. But when God causes fire to fall on the wicked, Demons included,, they will be blotted out of existence, forever!

This is Gods Universe!!! It is not a harbor for the wicked to exist forever in any place (lake of fire) or in any form (spirit).

The wicked are blotted out of existence.

" But the wicked shall perish. And the enemies of the Lord,,,,shall vanish. Into smoke they shall vanish away." (Psalm 37:20)

 

[Shiloah]

Ezekiel 28:14-16: "'Son of man, lift up a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, 'You seal up the measure of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You have been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, the ruby, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the turquoise, and the emerald, and gold. The workmanship of your settings and of your sockets was prepared in you in the day that you were created. You were the anointed cherub that covers, and I set you so; you were upon the holy mountain of God; you have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.'''

​

"'You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, until iniquity was found in you. By the multitude of your merchandise they have filled your midst with violence, and you have sinned. Therefore I will cast you as profane from the mountain of God, AND I WILL DESTROY YOU, O covering cherub, from among the stones of fire.'''

Ezekiel 28:17-19: "'Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you have corrupted your wisdom by reason of your brightness. I will cast you to the ground; I will lay you before kings, that they may behold you. By the multitude of your iniquities, by the unrighteousness of your trade, you have profaned your sanctuaries; therefore I brought forth a fire from your midst; it shall devour you, and I will bring you to ashes upon the earth, before the eyes of all who see you. All who know you among the people shall be astonished at you; you became a terror, and you will not be any more.'"

The fire that will come from within the devil will consume him. He will be put to a final death and turned into ashes. The ultimate penalty for committing willful sin is eternal death (Romans 6:23): [SUP]23 [/SUP]For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. The Lake of Fire in which evil spirits and humans will be cast is a physical place that burns with real fire. Because both evil spirits and people will be tossed into the same physical fire (Revelation 20:7-10): and become ashes that will be trodden under the feet of the righteous (Malachi 4:1-3) “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. [SUP]2 [/SUP]But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts.



​

 

[Bryancampbell]

We all know that demons can be rebuked and exorcised.
They can also be blinded and bind(with God's power of course)

You can hear them, feel them and sometimes see them and sometimes you can even make deals with them.
But can they be fought and destroyed? Are all demons that are exorcised still "alive"?​

I was thinking about a similar question, can sin be completely destroyed? Will God remove it from us in heaven, or completely destroy it from existence? But then you think...sin pushed itself into existence randomly and caused mischief but instead of destroying it, what did the Lord do? Sanctifying (seperation) or Obliviate (destroy)? What are your thoughts on this?

 

[Shiloah]

Ezekiel 28:14-16: "'Son of man, lift up a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, 'You seal up the measure of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You have been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, the ruby, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the turquoise, and the emerald, and gold. The workmanship of your settings and of your sockets was prepared in you in the day that you were created. You were the anointed cherub that covers, and I set you so; you were upon the holy mountain of God; you have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.'''

​

"'You were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, until iniquity was found in you. By the multitude of your merchandise they have filled your midst with violence, and you have sinned. Therefore I will cast you as profane from the mountain of God, AND I WILL DESTROY YOU, O covering cherub, from among the stones of fire.'''

Ezekiel 28:17-19: "'Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you have corrupted your wisdom by reason of your brightness. I will cast you to the ground; I will lay you before kings, that they may behold you. By the multitude of your iniquities, by the unrighteousness of your trade, you have profaned your sanctuaries; therefore I brought forth a fire from your midst; it shall devour you, and I will bring you to ashes upon the earth, before the eyes of all who see you. All who know you among the people shall be astonished at you; you became a terror, and you will not be any more.'"

The fire that will come from within the devil will consume him. He will be put to a final death and turned into ashes. The ultimate penalty for committing willful sin is eternal death (Romans 6:23): [SUP]23 [/SUP]For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. The Lake of Fire in which evil spirits and humans will be cast is a physical place that burns with real fire. Because both evil spirits and people will be tossed into the same physical fire (Revelation 20:7-10): and become ashes that will be trodden under the feet of the righteous (Malachi 4:1-3) “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. [SUP]2 [/SUP]But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts.

​

Here's the reference for this mini article. The Destiny of the Devil

 

[Elizabeth619]

I think that's a bit extreme there Elizabeth. God did create angels. Yes, they fell by their own choice. But they didn't become something else God could no longer destroy when they rebelled. People get upset at constant mocking. Everyone in here does. I've certainly seen far more hateful posts in here. I didn't see hate in that one. I just saw frustration.

I think the constant "passive aggressive" attacks on people's character are for more malicious in nature than a direct confrontation.

I never said He did not create angels. He created Heavenly, perfect beings. Some chose to become evil. That was their choice to go against God.
God does not create sin.

As far as what I said to Michael.... He was very disrespectful and I pointed that out. As a Christian there is no excuse for that attitude. We all screw up and say and do things that aren't good, but that doesn't mean we are to sit back and say nothing.

 

[Bluecomet]

You have the right to challenge anyone about Scripture. You are within your right by God's Law. And you are doing a very good job.

 

[Shiloah]

I never said He did not create angels. He created Heavenly, perfect beings. Some chose to become evil. That was their choice to go against God.
God does not create sin.

As far as what I said to Michael.... He was very disrespectful and I pointed that out. As a Christian there is no excuse for that attitude. We all screw up and say and do things that aren't good, but that doesn't mean we are to sit back and say nothing.

I agree with all that, Elizabeth. I know I need correcting on a regular basis as well. I just didn't see the insulting. But yeah, we all need to always do our best to always respond in a Godly fashion. I felt Michael was insulting the belief rather than the person, that's all.

 

[Michael50]

Did someone pee in your Cheerios this morning?
1. God did not create demons. He created all that is good. Not evil. Angels became demons by their own will. It was not Gods doing.

2. Humans and Angels are not the same.

3. You have to be the most hateful and disrespectful person on this forum. You took one sentence of someone's. blew it out if proportion and mocked Him when it's clear you're the one without the understanding of what he said.

I don't eat cheerios and everybody under my roof is a Christian,, so,, we don't consume urine, nor would we pee in another persons cheerios.

1. God did create demons. A demon is just a term for an angel that doesn't serve the God that created him. If you think some other entity out there created demons other than God the Creator,,, do tell.

2. Humans are not angels. I agree... Both can be blotted out of existence.

3. Only those who do not Love the Truth find me disrespectful and hateful. I suppose I can include you. I know what Danschance believes.

Perhaps you should visit his home page and look up all the inconsiderate posts he has made about me... and about my Doctrine!,, And about My Church! And about the Members of my Church. And about the Prophet of my church, Ellen White.

So yep,, I fired a round right across the bow of his boat. I intend on correcting and uncovering the lies that he continually posts in these discussions. His big lie is that we don't die, demons don't die,, nobody dies,,, and that is a lie from the same liar that gave us this lie:

"Ye shall not surely die"

 

[danschance]

I don't eat cheerios and everybody under my roof is a Christian,, so,, we don't consume urine, nor would we pee in another persons cheerios.

1. God did create demons. A demon is just a term for an angel that doesn't serve the God that created him. If you think some other entity out there created demons other than God the Creator,,, do tell.

2. Humans are not angels. I agree... Both can be blotted out of existence.

3. Only those who do not Love the Truth find me disrespectful and hateful. I suppose I can include you. I know what Danschance believes.

Perhaps you should visit his home page and look up all the inconsiderate posts he has made about me... and about my Doctrine!,, And about My Church! And about the Members of my Church. And about the Prophet of my church, Ellen White.

So yep,, I fired a round right across the bow of his boat. I intend on correcting and uncovering the lies that he continually posts in these discussions. His big lie is that we don't die, demons don't die,, nobody dies,,, and that is a lie from the same liar that gave us this lie:

"Ye shall not surely die"

Micheal50, the funny thing is you think I am rude even though everyone else seems to think you are. Seems to me that you twist reality the same way you twist theology.

After the rich man died, he went to a place of torment. Jesus said about the people in Hell, "the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever (Rev.14:11). So you are calling Jesus a liar when you spread your false seventh day false theology. Enjoy your soggy yellow cheerios.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

since demons are non physical creatures...destroying a demon would be like destroying the number three...it just can't be done...you can't destroy something that has no physical existence in the first place...

 

[danschance]

since demons are non physical creatures...destroying a demon would be like destroying the number three...it just can't be done...you can't destroy something that has no physical existence in the first place...

If I can resate what you said, but in slightly different terms:

Spiritual realm things can not be destroyed by natural realm things. God could destroy whatever He wishes but he has already stated that satan and his minions will be relegated to hell.

 

[damombomb]

and he was calling on him, that he may not command them to go away to the abyss Luke 8:31

 

[danschance]

The God you worship is inept, weak, and surely not in control. Your God is powerless to kill anything. He can't kill humans,(you beleive humans wander around in a spirit form never dying)...lol and now,, here you come with your never dying, always sinning angels,,, and again,, your God is powerless to destroy them....Your God is weak. He is powerless to control his own universe..

Under your thelogy,, God had to be downright stupid to create a bunch of demons that he cant get rid of...lol,,, They will always taint Gods Universe with sin... Under your thelogy,, Sin and vile behavior will always be alive in Gods Universe. Because He was too weak to destroy them.

What the hell was the reason for not letting Adam & Eve eat from the tree of life??????? Under your thelogy,, they live forever anyways! So,, really,, when you consider your ignorant theology,,, one would surely see,, it wouldnt matter if Adam & Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and then went and ate from the tree of life. Under your thelogy,, they don't die anyways!!!!!

So,,, under your theology,,,The Tree of Life must be some Godly Placebo that really does nothing even if sombody does eat from it. lol,, what a silly doctrine you have.

Micheal50,

I never once said it is impossible for God to destroy anything. The bible says that satan and his followers will be in hell. This means they will never be destroyed. So in that sense they can not be destroyed because God has already stated what their fate will be.


The God I worship can do what He wishes. He is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. Once again you twist my words into something I never said.

 

[BeanieD]

We ourselves can't destroy them but by the power of God thay can be sent packing for now. In the end, they will be no more. Blessings

 

[4enlightment]

We all know that demons can be rebuked and exorcised.
They can also be blinded and bind(with God's power of course)

You can hear them, feel them and sometimes see them and sometimes you can even make deals with them.
But can they be fought and destroyed? Are all demons that are exorcised still "alive"?​

Just had posted this on another post.


Heidi Hollis's appearances on the Coast to Coast AM late night radio radio talk show helped popularize modern beliefs in shadow people. Hollis described them as dark silhouettes with human shapes and profiles that flicker in and out of peripheral vision,[SUP][6][/SUP] and claimed that people had reported the figures attempting to "jump on their chest and choke them".[SUP][7][/SUP] She believes they can be repelled by using "the name of Jesus".[SUP][8][/SUP]
Although participants in online discussion forums devoted to paranormal and supernatural topics describe them as menacing, among other believers and paranormal authors, there is no consensus that shadow people are either evil, helpful, or neutral, and some even speculate that shadow people may be the extra-dimensional inhabitants of another universe.[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP] Some paranormal investigators and authors such as Chad Stambaugh claim to have recorded images of shadow people on video.[SUP][10][/SUP]
Shadow people feature in two episodes of ITV paranormal documentary series Extreme Ghost Stories, where they are described as "black
masses"

<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: sans-serif">[video=youtube_share;myJQbCoBRgE]http://youtu.be/myJQbCoBRgE[/video]

 

[BeanieD]

I have seen, what I feel in my heart, demons. They were only small shadows, but the terror that came with them was more than anything I have EVER felt before. By the power of prayer, they were kept at a distance, and in one place, never allowed in our home. They can't be where God is.

 

[danschance]

I have encountered shadow people. I was not a Christian at the time but I am certain calling on Jesus when shadow people are present, will not hurt and likely will get rid of the shadow person.

 

[Michael50]

Micheal50,

I never once said it is impossible for God to destroy anything. The bible says that satan and his followers will be in hell. This means they will never be destroyed. So in that sense they can not be destroyed because God has already stated what their fate will be.


The God I worship can do what He wishes. He is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. Once again you twist my words into something I never said.

Then I stand by my post. Your God is a tyrannt! Your God is not Just. No Just God would keep anybody alive for the purpose of torturing them forever and ever.

How about if we find sombody that we hate and torture them? Here in the United States,, we can't do anything to anybody..And if we do we are called vile, and evil. Ever heard of waterboarding? It is considered torture. Vile and evil. Only it lasts until you tell us what we want to know.

Those who have lived a mere 40-50 years,,,are sentenced to a torture chamber for all eternity? Let's put it in persepctive.. Your telling me that the God you worship is Just and fair? Keeping the wicked angels & humans alive for Billions upon Billions of years,,, all because of a few decades of selfish living? lol..

Some people are not that bad. I know a whole bunch of people who don't believe in God. They aren't out robbing and stealing. They have jobs, raise their families, pay their bills, help their neighbors, support their schools. And here you and your God both think they need to be tortured for Billions upon Billions of years?

Dan,, you have pre-concieved ideas, that are nothing but downright foolishness!

To think that a 20 year old kid, who rejected God out of his youthful ignorance and rotton parents that helped him form his ideas,, dies, without ever recieving Jesus,, and you and your god sentence him to billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions upon Billions of years is not the attributes of a Loving, compassionate God!

Those are the attributes of a mean, evil, disgusting, offensive, and sick minded tyrannt!

If that is your god,, I reject him totally.

Dan,, you just haven't thought these things thru, like I and many others have. I believe you can't stand to be wrong. So you are willing to compromise the truth in order to make your doctrine stick.

Same thing with you telling me that Samuel was in paradise when the Witch of Endor raised him... Then ol Samuel tells Saul "tommorrow you and your sons will be with me." And that means that you think Saul was granted Salvation and awaits his crown of righteousness in Paradise,, not only Saul but all of his sons,, cause ol Samuel says they will be there too...

You knew you erred. But you couldn't handle being wrong. So then you adjusted your doctrine. You then made the claim that Paradise and hades are in the same place,, just different compartments. That way you could claim you were right .

I hope those who believe I am disrespectful and hateful read this post.. I am neither.. I do however LOVE the Truth and will not compromise it.

My unwillingness to compromise the Truth may be misunderstood by the majority of people. I already know that folks who hate the truth will surely dislike me. Jesus reinterated that message to me already. And He was right!

My worst attribute: Being Truthful.

 

[RedTent]

Handling demons is God's business, not ours. Listening to them or not listening to them is our business. God gives us what is eternal, what leads to walking with him. Demons give us lies.

I have hallucinations, they are like the demons. I am going blind with glaucoma, so when the pressure builds in my eyes nerves die that carry sight and there is only blackness in the area. One eye is gone. But just as when an arm is cut off, the brain simply cannot believe there is no sight there and in the case of an arm you feel it is there. With sight, when you are not fully conscious with sleep the brain makes up images to fill the black areas. A man walked in my bedroom the other night. Like the thoughts demons give us, he wasn't real, it was a lie. I shook my head to fully wake and saw it was a hallucination. No man there.

So we can shake our heads and live with the truth of our Lord, we don't have to accept the lies of demons.