Can Jesus Rule From Heaven?
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You are correct. The Antichrist (not Satan) will almost destroy Israel. They will have no where to turn (not America, not Egypt, not the U.K.) and they will cry out to God and then they will Him whom the pierced and accept Him as their Messiah and he will defeat the Antichrist and his armies and will set his throne in Jerusalem and reign for 1,000 years with a rod of Iron. His enemies will be His footstool. as Satan and his followers will be either cast in the pit or the lake of fire. Satan wil be cast there after the 1,000 years. Because God will use him once again to test the faith of those who have lived through this period with out any temptation.
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Which is it?
Forever or 1000 years?
I see no references anywhere in Revelation 20 that links Jerusalem to a 1000 year reign.
I do see a forever reign in the New Jerusalem after the 1000 years.
So the fulfillment of a forever reign is fulfilled in Revelation 22.
Can you give me the chapter and verse which shows a reign from Jerusalem for only 1000 years?
T
It doesn't say what will happen after the 1000 years ruling wise. I would suggest Jesus is still ruling in David's throne because the bible states he will forever is 2 samuel 7. Granted I have heard the theory that forever doesn't mean literally forever but for a REALLY long time. Either way Jesus has to come back and rule based off God's promise.
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Still, I not really prepared at the moment. I have not memorized all the scriptures and I don't have my bible in front of me. Its 11:30 pm where I am. But if this is something that we can bang our heads over. I will be glad to come back to this thread and discuss with you. I back what I'm saying, I have read it many time and even now am scouring my brain. I enjoy this kind of conversation. I will be back and I hope you will be too.
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Me tooo ,me two, me also!!! LOL,Of course, Jesus is ruling the world ,as God He has always ruled this earth; But it is very pathic to think that Jesus can not do a better job than He is doing now. God has always ruled supreme. but satan has the authority to do most of this evil work going on today. Our reform brothers who are a-mill and post-mill. are a bit blinded by some greatly deceived mind of the past. BUT, soon, Jesus' spiritual kingdom will become physical and we will rule with a iron rod all the nations of the world. Between them and the pre-tri rapturists the church is messed up real bad. Love to all, Hoffco
T
So you look at 1000 as an infinite amount of time. Okay that's fine. I look at it as a 1000 years but either way Jesus has to come to Jerusalem to rule forever based on the promises to David. A reason I look at the 1000 years as a literal 1000 years is because it says after the 1000 years Satan will come back for a season. So it makes little sense for the 1000 years to be forever if something is to happen after them because nothing happens after forever, because well its forever.
Never actually heard that Jesus has to rule from Jerusalem before myself.
Though I suppose this would probably just be a minor misconception based off the prophecy in Revelation about New Jerusalem. (Revelation Chapter 21).
So that would be my guess where such a theory would arise from, though I still agree totally with your OP assertion and the Matthew 28:18 quote.
Though I suppose this would probably just be a minor misconception based off the prophecy in Revelation about New Jerusalem. (Revelation Chapter 21).
So that would be my guess where such a theory would arise from, though I still agree totally with your OP assertion and the Matthew 28:18 quote.
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It also says that ALL the nations will come up once a year to worship Christ. That it will occure AFTER God punishes the gentile nations who treated the elect bad while they were in the nations care. After the great battle. where so many dead people will be in the field, the birds will feast on the flesh forever. That Israel will have repented and be restored completely in her land. That ALL nations will rejoice with Israel and share in this kingdom and reign of Christ.
I can go on and on and on. So much stuff that is NOT happening now. and has never happened to say this is the time..
I can go on and on and on. So much stuff that is NOT happening now. and has never happened to say this is the time..
We must use the rest of the bible to interpret Revelation. In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul says when Christ comes again at the end, He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. Later in the same chapter, Paul states that Christ has already put all things under His feet (verse 17), Christ rule is now, sorry you guys (dispensationalist) can't understand it, The reason that there is still turmoil in the world today is because God is loving and long-suffering toward mankind wishing all to come to repentance. God is still busy at work saving people. In other words, God is building His Church.
I think we are on the same page.
Jesus did verify small portions of the O.T. Many of the laws in the O.T. had penalties of death for breaking them, but Jesus said to love your enemies and to pray for them---doesn't really match up does it?
Deut 20:16-18, says to kill all in the cities, not just the men, but the women and babies, and animals too. Doesn't sound like Jesus speaking that does it? BTW, in Sunday School a few years ago, all defended this except for me. Then the guy with the teacher's manual, said it didn't really happen at all. SICK
Jesus also gave some new commands, and most people didn't like them at all, that's why he had so few followers.
Jesus did verify small portions of the O.T. Many of the laws in the O.T. had penalties of death for breaking them, but Jesus said to love your enemies and to pray for them---doesn't really match up does it?
Deut 20:16-18, says to kill all in the cities, not just the men, but the women and babies, and animals too. Doesn't sound like Jesus speaking that does it? BTW, in Sunday School a few years ago, all defended this except for me. Then the guy with the teacher's manual, said it didn't really happen at all. SICK
Jesus also gave some new commands, and most people didn't like them at all, that's why he had so few followers.
Jesus said the kingdom was taken away from the Jews. They had a chance, not enough people wanted to believe Jesus message. So there is no need for Jesus to rule from Jerusalem, he reigns NOW. He is in the Father's house, heaven.
Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled, whoever humbles himself will be exalted. Jesus did humble himself , he soon became exalted and now reigns. No need to wait thousands of years.
Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled, whoever humbles himself will be exalted. Jesus did humble himself , he soon became exalted and now reigns. No need to wait thousands of years.