Can someone lose their salvation?

[FireOnTheAltar]

Agreed, no-one can live up to the law. If a person believes they have to strive to obey the law to remain a Christian they will Biblically speaking end up a worse sinner

BUT and this is a huge but it is because the Christian knows in their heart they do not have to strive to uphold the written law to remain a Christian, it is because they know that they stand on faith in Christ their one and only righteousness for Heaven that the law is far better upheld in their life

Do we therefore nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! RATHER WE UPHOLD THE LAW

Rom 3:31

This does not mean we will be perfect in the flesh. But the true Gospel message of grace is that by not being under the law we far better uphold it and by grace and trusting in Christ and relying on the Holy Spirit to sanctify us we live far more as God would have us live and that is an integral part of rhe Gospel of grace

It is Christ's responsibility to change us, not our own if we put our faith in him to do it, and faith in Christ cannot be said to go unrewarded

But Christianity is a journey if you like. We come to God broken sinners, steeped in sin(I admit I did)
We are yet without strength, but by faith in Christ we become stronger and our feet are placed on firm ground by Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit

Then there comes a time when God inevitably wants us to go on with him, take up our individual cross and follow after his son. We are not expected immediately upon conversion to do this, but as we grow stronger, so more is expected. You woud not ask an infant to walk five miles, but you may once that infant has grown, matured and become stronger
And it is a fact that for some they do not want to then go on and do the work required of them and give God what he requires from their life from the heart.
For many of them(and I do not say all) they then fall back in their minds to grace without responsibility and this is what they preach, and that is not the truth of the Gospel of grace.

Grace that does not set people free and give them much victory over sin in their life is not the grace of the Bible
And it is not the truth of true grace that someone can become a Christian and not show any change for the better in their lives for year after year, biblically speaking that is impossible, and that is what people need to accept. Christ did not die for sinners so they would remain steeped in the sin they were in at conversion, he died to set them free. And if there is no change in an individual over a CONSIDERABLE LENGTRH OF TIME they are not living in grace.
That is not being said to condemn anyone, but a belief that there is power in the cross of Christ, and if that power is not seen to bring results then the individual is not living in true grace

I couldn't agree more.

By no means what so ever am I suggesting that one must obey the law. However, what I am saying is that one learns to abide in Christ sin begins to lose it's hold.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Most churches preach the cross and that Jesus forgives passt sin. That gospel has been preached by numerous churches throughout the centuries. Biut how many churches teach today that sin is a choice and that through the pressence and power of the Holy Spirit we need not fullfill the temptation idulge in the lusts of flesh which the scriptures so clearly teach? Not many.

This is why so many "believers" today are enslaved by sin such as lust, porn addiction, fornication, fear, anxiety, depression, anger, frustration, self conscienceness, the list goes on. The modern church looks and acts just like the world and nothing like the church of the bible. Could it be because the church today preaches a weak anemic gospel? I believe it is.

If your answer is true my friend, that a person can not be saved by hearing half the gospel, then you have just indicted the vast majority of believers out there.

This is not the problem with most churches. Most churches teach a legalistic based Gospel of works, Yet no one in these churches even know many of the other members of these churches.

I grew up in a churhc like this where hellfire and brimestone was taught on a regular basis. We never knew each other. Or we had "fakes" who many times would get caught living a secret life of sin that no one knew about.

Preaching hellfire and judgment will not help anyone. We all know the result of sin. Preaching grace can win people to God, and also help break sin. Because I do not have to hide my sin for fear of judgment. I am free to come to my brothers and sisters in Christ and have them help mer knowing I will not be judged. But prayed over.

As for the last comment. There is only one gospel. There is not a half gospel, or 1 1/2 gospel. There is one and one only. Any other gospel will lead to hellfire that we are trying to be free from.

I agree, we do have many, "licentious" churches out there who are afraid to hurt anyone's feeling. And refuse top teach the dangers of sin and help those who need help. They allow anyone and everyone in and do not try to help anyone. They are just as guilty and dangerous as the legalistic churches teaching a gospel of works.

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

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This is not the problem with most churches. Most churches teach a legalistic based Gospel of works, Yet no one in these churches even know many of the other members of these churches.

I grew up in a churhc like this where hellfire and brimestone was taught on a regular basis. We never knew each other. Or we had "fakes" who many times would get caught living a secret life of sin that no one knew about.

Preaching hellfire and judgment will not help anyone. We all know the result of sin. Preaching grace can win people to God, and also help break sin. Because I do not have to hide my sin for fear of judgment. I am free to come to my brothers and sisters in Christ and have them help mer knowing I will not be judged. But prayed over.

As for the last comment. There is only one gospel. There is not a half gospel, or 1 1/2 gospel. There is one and one only. Any other gospel will lead to hellfire that we are trying to be free from.

I agree, we do have many, "licentious" churches out there who are afraid to hurt anyone's feeling. And refuse top teach the dangers of sin and help those who need help. They allow anyone and everyone in and do not try to help anyone. They are just as guilty and dangerous as the legalistic churches teaching a gospel of works. [/color]

I agree. However, I believe that grace includes not only forgiveness of sin but that grace also provides the escape when we are tempted to commit present / future sin. I have dubbed this "greater grace" because most seem to teach that grace only has the power to deliver from sin after it has been commited where as I believe that He provides the grace to deliver us from sin beforehand, if we choose turn to Him (1 Cor 10:13). No fire & brimstone in that.

 

[livingbygrace]

I couldn't agree more.

By no means what so ever am I suggesting that one must obey the law. However, what I am saying is that one learns to abide in Christ sin begins to lose it's hold.

Absolutely

Sin/satan used the good and Holy laws of God to condemn man

Sin used the law to arouse all kinds of sinful desires in man

Rom 7:7-11 Rom 7:5



Biut as we abide in Christ our one and only righteousness for Heaven, at that moment that we know we are secure with God and are saved not by our own goodness, but by what Christ did for us on the cross, sin MUST start to lose its power in our life
That is the truth of the Gospel message

If that is not believed, grace is not understood

For sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace.
Rom 6:14

 

[Red33]

Anyone that believes that God's eternal salvation, that comes through His Son, can be lost, forfeited or walked away from, therefore stripping that person of His inheritance that he has in Christ by grace, does not know the nature of our Lord Jesus Christ or the cross where His blood was shed. They effect the purity of the gospel of grace and add to the finished work of Christ and condition God's imputed righteousness to the work of sanctification and not something received as a gift through faith in Christ.

 

[Vladimir_Ukr]

Not to be mean, But the verse you posted contradicted what you said. Did you mean to say no we can't?. Not really belonging to us means they were never a part of the church. Which means they were never saved to begin with. Otherwise they would have been a part of the church (spiritual) at one time.

A many thanks you for improved. Actually I 'd like is that we're can't lose our salvation but I think is that accept the Holy Spirit not means our presence a wedding banquet.Maybe better this show through parables about a man of noble and ten of his servants
It's written in Luke chapter 19 verses 12-27. And too in Romans chapter 11 verses 19-22.
...
Consider therefore the kindness and
sternness of God: sternness to those
who fell, but kindness to you, provided
that you continue in his kindness.
Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

What do you think?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A many thanks you for improved. Actually I 'd like is that we're can't lose our salvation but I think is that accept the Holy Spirit not means our presence a wedding banquet.Maybe better this show through parables about a man of noble and ten of his servants
It's written in Luke chapter 19 verses 12-27. And too in Romans chapter 11 verses 19-22.
...
Consider therefore the kindness and
sternness of God: sternness to those
who fell, but kindness to you, provided
that you continue in his kindness.
Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

What do you think?

Romans 11 concerns the nation of Israel being cut off as a branch and the gentiles grafted it. Not an individuals salvation.

Luke 19 Speaks of Christ who came to his people. And they hated him, and did not want him to be their king. So he gave the church his inheritance.

The servants represent the believer who took what God gave him, and made it grow by bringing in more to give to him. The one who did not do anything feared his master because he did not take the time to get to know him. Therfore he had nothing to show.

Yet look at the conclusion. This man had nothing to show and nothing in return (think wood hey and stubble) Yet what did the master say would happen to those who rejected him? They would be slain. (think eternal judgment) yet the one who brought nothing was not slain, Just had nothing left (no reward)

I think many christians do not get to know Christ and are afraid because of their lack of knowledge and they will be saved, but their reward will be burnt.

If we get to Know God and his true grace, we will not be afraid. and do many great things for Christ. WHich He will bless, and cause our work to multiply

 

[Vladimir_Ukr]

Romans 11 concerns the nation of Israel being cut off as a branch and the gentiles grafted it. Not an individuals salvation.

Luke 19 Speaks of Christ who came to his people. And they hated him, and did not want him to be their king. So he gave the church his inheritance.

The servants represent the believer who took what God gave him, and made it grow by bringing in more to give to him. The one who did not do anything feared his master because he did not take the time to get to know him. Therfore he had nothing to show.

Yet look at the conclusion. This man had nothing to show and nothing in return (think wood hey and stubble) Yet what did the master say would happen to those who rejected him? They would be slain. (think eternal judgment) yet the one who brought nothing was not slain, Just had nothing left (no reward)

I think many christians do not get to know Christ and are afraid because of their lack of knowledge and they will be saved, but their reward will be burnt.

If we get to Know God and his true grace, we will not be afraid. and do many great things for Christ. WHich He will bless, and cause our work to multiply

I think I understand now. Your opinion is that salvation don't reward?
What kind of reward will we recieve except salvation?
Maybe "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him (1st Corinthians 2:9). I don't know.
Anyway thank you for your information. I need figure out that I was heard from you. Thanks again.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think I understand now. Your opinion is that salvation don't reward?
What kind of reward will we recieve except salvation?
Maybe "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him (1st Corinthians 2:9). I don't know.
Anyway thank you for your information. I need figure out that I was heard from you. Thanks again.

Hi my friend. Salvation is a gift of God. Not a reward. A gift can not be earned.

I think paul said it best.

Romans 4 : 1 - 8 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
"Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”
Rewards are given to Gods children who learn him and thus work for those rewards (gold silver precious stones, wood hay stubble.

Hope this helps.

 

[Vladimir_Ukr]

Hi my friend. Salvation is a gift of God. Not a reward. A gift can not be earned.

I think paul said it best.

Romans 4 : 1 - 8 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
"Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”
Rewards are given to Gods children who learn him and thus work for those rewards (gold silver precious stones, wood hay stubble.

Hope this helps.

It was a pleasure talking with you. I don't mind is that you written is true. Thanks a lot.

 

[Deadflesh]

please tell me how and when you are placed IN JESUS.

does one keeping jumping in and out of Jesus?

please stop using scriptures that talk about people either never coming to Christ at all, or renouncing their faith (which was not true saving faith) and walking away, against Christians who are IN CHRIST.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Zone, look at that verse:
Those IN JESUS. We are supposed to abide!


"And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming." 1 John 2:28

John is talking to those already IN christ. and telling them to abide, so that when He coems they wont shrink back, be ashamed.

WHY would they be ashamed? Becasue they were runnign around busy with there own life. Doing the thigns THEY though God would want, Never abiding. ABIDE in him, and bear fruit. OR be cut off. That is NOT talkign to anyelse then grafted individuals. Like you. Are you abiding? Have you asked God? Or do you lean on the ARm of FLesh, more then the ARM of the LORD. Do you get more word from MAN then JESUS?

Saving faith is the faith that abides untill the end. Not that thinks they have a magical grace ticket to do what ever they want because they are elect. The ELECT will be the ones who seek the face of Jesus. ALWAYS with out ceasing MORE then anythign in there life. the ELECT are the ones that obey HIM. THE ELECT are not ELECT becasue THEY say so. Search your heart. Can it condemn you before a perfect holy mighty God? if it can. SEEK JESUS MORE. DONT become complacent. Dont fall asleep.

ABIDE IN JESUS.

If you are runnign around watching God knows what on TV, Filling your mind with garbage. Totally ignoring JEsus. NOT seeking to Grow in him. Looking up every subject under the sun. ALL with out seekin HIS face, abiding IN him, then you are NOT in JEsus, you are condemend and you salvation is Questioned. ARe you working out your salvation with FEAR and treambling? Or do you So arrogantly think you have MORE grace then Paul, or Peter, or John? They didnt sit around being lax.

When you are IN Jesus, you are saved. Those IN jesus, will not go back. But ARE you IN Jesus? Thats the question you have to have with HIM. ASk HIM ot show you how he sees you. or you can jsut wait around thinking your fine. adn find out what happens. Do you have fear of the LORD?

The Playcating and soothsaying has to stop, becasue that leads to spiritual death. YOu CANT loose salvation. but you MUST Live For Jesus. OBedience is LOVE. and if YOU come before Christ. YOU are dissobedient. If noah jumped out of the Arc would he have lived? Lots wife looked back adn was truned to salt. its ALL PICTURES of how we should live our lives in Jesus.

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

Zone, look at that verse:
Those IN JESUS. We are supposed to abide!


"And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming." 1 John 2:28

John is talking to those already IN christ. and telling them to abide, so that when He coems they wont shrink back, be ashamed.

WHY would they be ashamed? Becasue they were runnign around busy with there own life. Doing the thigns THEY though God would want, Never abiding. ABIDE in him, and bear fruit. OR be cut off. That is NOT talkign to anyelse then grafted individuals. Like you. Are you abiding? Have you asked God? Or do you lean on the ARm of FLesh, more then the ARM of the LORD. Do you get more word from MAN then JESUS?

Saving faith is the faith that abides untill the end. Not that thinks they have a magical grace ticket to do what ever they want because they are elect. The ELECT will be the ones who seek the face of Jesus. ALWAYS with out ceasing MORE then anythign in there life. the ELECT are the ones that obey HIM. THE ELECT are not ELECT becasue THEY say so. Search your heart. Can it condemn you before a perfect holy mighty God? if it can. SEEK JESUS MORE. DONT become complacent. Dont fall asleep.

ABIDE IN JESUS.

If you are runnign around watching God knows what on TV, Filling your mind with garbage. Totally ignoring JEsus. NOT seeking to Grow in him. Looking up every subject under the sun. ALL with out seekin HIS face, abiding IN him, then you are NOT in JEsus, you are condemend and you salvation is Questioned. ARe you working out your salvation with FEAR and treambling? Or do you So arrogantly think you have MORE grace then Paul, or Peter, or John? They didnt sit around being lax.

When you are IN Jesus, you are saved. Those IN jesus, will not go back. But ARE you IN Jesus? Thats the question you have to have with HIM. ASk HIM ot show you how he sees you. or you can jsut wait around thinking your fine. adn find out what happens. Do you have fear of the LORD?

The Playcating and soothsaying has to stop, becasue that leads to spiritual death. YOu CANT loose salvation. but you MUST Live For Jesus. OBedience is LOVE. and if YOU come before Christ. YOU are dissobedient. If noah jumped out of the Arc would he have lived? Lots wife looked back adn was truned to salt. its ALL PICTURES of how we should live our lives in Jesus.

I don't believe we have met but I like you. *lol*

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

Zone, look at that verse:
Those IN JESUS. We are supposed to abide!


"And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming." 1 John 2:28

John is talking to those already IN christ. and telling them to abide, so that when He coems they wont shrink back, be ashamed.

WHY would they be ashamed? Becasue they were runnign around busy with there own life. Doing the thigns THEY though God would want, Never abiding. ABIDE in him, and bear fruit. OR be cut off. That is NOT talkign to anyelse then grafted individuals. Like you. Are you abiding? Have you asked God? Or do you lean on the ARm of FLesh, more then the ARM of the LORD. Do you get more word from MAN then JESUS?

Saving faith is the faith that abides untill the end. Not that thinks they have a magical grace ticket to do what ever they want because they are elect. The ELECT will be the ones who seek the face of Jesus. ALWAYS with out ceasing MORE then anythign in there life. the ELECT are the ones that obey HIM. THE ELECT are not ELECT becasue THEY say so. Search your heart. Can it condemn you before a perfect holy mighty God? if it can. SEEK JESUS MORE. DONT become complacent. Dont fall asleep.

ABIDE IN JESUS.

If you are runnign around watching God knows what on TV, Filling your mind with garbage. Totally ignoring JEsus. NOT seeking to Grow in him. Looking up every subject under the sun. ALL with out seekin HIS face, abiding IN him, then you are NOT in JEsus, you are condemend and you salvation is Questioned. ARe you working out your salvation with FEAR and treambling? Or do you So arrogantly think you have MORE grace then Paul, or Peter, or John? They didnt sit around being lax.

When you are IN Jesus, you are saved. Those IN jesus, will not go back. But ARE you IN Jesus? Thats the question you have to have with HIM. ASk HIM ot show you how he sees you. or you can jsut wait around thinking your fine. adn find out what happens. Do you have fear of the LORD?

The Playcating and soothsaying has to stop, becasue that leads to spiritual death. YOu CANT loose salvation. but you MUST Live For Jesus. OBedience is LOVE. and if YOU come before Christ. YOU are dissobedient. If noah jumped out of the Arc would he have lived? Lots wife looked back adn was truned to salt. its ALL PICTURES of how we should live our lives in Jesus.

I don't believe we have met but I like you. *lol* We seem to agree on alot.

 

[livingbygrace]

Paul is warning BELIEVERS

Gal 5:19-21



DO NOT BE DECEIVED. Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor theives, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God

1 Cor 6:9-11

Heb 10:26&27

Heb 6:4&5

2 Peter 2:20-22

1 John 5:16&17

DO NOT BE DECEIVED by smooth talk and flattery

 

[Deadflesh]

I don't believe we have met but I like you. *lol* We seem to agree on alot.

Well Hello Fire, Im dead. Nice to meet you.


However If we agree, that is becaue the mind of Christ is in us. Im not saying disagrement means a lack of Jesus. NO! not at all. I just belive allot of trully born-again individuals, are missing the Riches IN christ HERE, right now. ( I know that I will probably miss allot of the riches in JEsus, here, and in the end when we are judged by the words of Jesus, i will be all like "Oh no! I cnat believe i missed that Jesus! im so sorry! You were right there tryign to give it to me, adn i kept walkign right by it!" Anyway...) Not physical riches, spiritual ones. They are born-again, but then right at that spot they get sidetracked, adn they STOP growing closer and deep in Jesus. Im not here to Judge anyones salvation. nor my own. I just speak what the Lord tells me to. and may it sprout in someones heart.

Dissagreement is becasue of divison. Divison is becasue of Denominations, and alterior Doctrine. Division is a WORK of the Flesh. I dont judge. I try not to argue. and i keep moving.


Anyway. Jesus bless you Brother.

 

[zone]

Zone, look at that verse:
Those IN JESUS. We are supposed to abide!


"And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming." 1 John 2:28

John is talking to those already IN christ. and telling them to abide, so that when He coems they wont shrink back, be ashamed.

WHY would they be ashamed? Becasue they were runnign around busy with there own life. Doing the thigns THEY though God would want, Never abiding. ABIDE in him, and bear fruit. OR be cut off. That is NOT talkign to anyelse then grafted individuals. Like you. Are you abiding? Have you asked God? Or do you lean on the ARm of FLesh, more then the ARM of the LORD. Do you get more word from MAN then JESUS?

Saving faith is the faith that abides untill the end. Not that thinks they have a magical grace ticket to do what ever they want because they are elect. The ELECT will be the ones who seek the face of Jesus. ALWAYS with out ceasing MORE then anythign in there life. the ELECT are the ones that obey HIM. THE ELECT are not ELECT becasue THEY say so. Search your heart. Can it condemn you before a perfect holy mighty God? if it can. SEEK JESUS MORE. DONT become complacent. Dont fall asleep.

ABIDE IN JESUS.

If you are runnign around watching God knows what on TV, Filling your mind with garbage. Totally ignoring JEsus. NOT seeking to Grow in him. Looking up every subject under the sun. ALL with out seekin HIS face, abiding IN him, then you are NOT in JEsus, you are condemend and you salvation is Questioned. ARe you working out your salvation with FEAR and treambling? Or do you So arrogantly think you have MORE grace then Paul, or Peter, or John? They didnt sit around being lax.

When you are IN Jesus, you are saved. Those IN jesus, will not go back. But ARE you IN Jesus? Thats the question you have to have with HIM. ASk HIM ot show you how he sees you. or you can jsut wait around thinking your fine. adn find out what happens. Do you have fear of the LORD?

The Playcating and soothsaying has to stop, becasue that leads to spiritual death. YOu CANT loose salvation. but you MUST Live For Jesus. OBedience is LOVE. and if YOU come before Christ. YOU are dissobedient. If noah jumped out of the Arc would he have lived? Lots wife looked back adn was truned to salt. its ALL PICTURES of how we should live our lives in Jesus.

well then.

i guess i've had it wrong all these years. i'm glad you've arrived to set me straight.

i thought i knew what ABIDE IN ME meant...tsk......now i'm really in trouble.


since you are clearly a pohet:
tell me...what am i watching on tv right now?

what did i do the last 4 days?

what did i petition the Lord for in my prayers today?

which letter in scripture am i working on right now?

~

also, please tell me what i MUST BE DOING that i am not.....please be highly specific: if my salvation depends on it, please be as detailed as possible about what i should be doing that i am not doing.

thank you!

 

[zone]

Well Hello Fire, Im dead. Nice to meet you.


However If we agree, that is becaue the mind of Christ is in us. Im not saying disagrement means a lack of Jesus. NO! not at all. I just belive allot of trully born-again individuals, are missing the Riches IN christ HERE, right now. ( I know that I will probably miss allot of the riches in JEsus, here, and in the end when we are judged by the words of Jesus, i will be all like "Oh no! I cnat believe i missed that Jesus! im so sorry! You were right there tryign to give it to me, adn i kept walkign right by it!" Anyway...) Not physical riches, spiritual ones. They are born-again, but then right at that spot they get sidetracked, adn they STOP growing closer and deep in Jesus. Im not here to Judge anyones salvation. nor my own. I just speak what the Lord tells me to. and may it sprout in someones heart.

Dissagreement is becasue of divison. Divison is becasue of Denominations, and alterior Doctrine. Division is a WORK of the Flesh. I dont judge. I try not to argue. and i keep moving.


Anyway. Jesus bless you Brother.

another wandering prophet.
just speaking what Jesus tells him to.

you'll find a few good friends and co-prophets here, then. you guys are lucky man....you have the mind of Christ.

the rest of us dull and lazy workers better shape up and listen to you holy servants, eh?

ppfffft.

NOT.

 

[Deadflesh]

I love you Zone. Get in the ArK while you can

 

[FireOnTheAltar]

Well Hello Fire, Im dead. Nice to meet you.


However If we agree, that is becaue the mind of Christ is in us. Im not saying disagrement means a lack of Jesus. NO! not at all. I just belive allot of trully born-again individuals, are missing the Riches IN christ HERE, right now. ( I know that I will probably miss allot of the riches in JEsus, here, and in the end when we are judged by the words of Jesus, i will be all like "Oh no! I cnat believe i missed that Jesus! im so sorry! You were right there tryign to give it to me, adn i kept walkign right by it!" Anyway...) Not physical riches, spiritual ones. They are born-again, but then right at that spot they get sidetracked, adn they STOP growing closer and deep in Jesus. Im not here to Judge anyones salvation. nor my own. I just speak what the Lord tells me to. and may it sprout in someones heart.

Dissagreement is becasue of divison. Divison is becasue of Denominations, and alterior Doctrine. Division is a WORK of the Flesh. I dont judge. I try not to argue. and i keep moving.


Anyway. Jesus bless you Brother.

Personally I didn't come to judge anyone's salvation either however, due to a differences in beliefs there are people here who will say akmost anything to make me look bad simply because I believe that a person can not be free from sin while still enslaved by it. I believed that salvation, although a finished work on the cross, is a continuous work in the life of the believer, ie. salvation, sanctification, etc. I have those people blocked however, it's a given that they will follow me around seeing as my beliefs directly conflict with theirs seeing as certain people teach that repentance (turning away from sin) is no longer necessary after the initial act of salvation.

I personally don't believe that one can unkowingly lose one's salvation either. I believe that as long as you don't turn your back toward God, he will never turn his back toward you and that, even if you were to turn away from God, He'll be right there waiting for you when you call. However, I can't deny the fact that I have came accross people who have willingly walked away. Whether these people were / are saved or not is not my call to make however I do know this, the majority of these people view christians as hypocrits, that is, those christians who try to convince oithers that they need to repent of their sin yet they themselves are guilty of same sin if not worse. (I believe such people should not even be in ministry until they mature enough in Christ that they no longer pursue their selfish desires.)

I believe that "abiding in Christ" (walking in the Spirit) is the key to overcoming self in this life. It's pretty hard to sin when your attention is on Him. Some here would suggest that there is no need to overcome self in order to be saved however, I take the words of Jesus both seriously and literally when says that a man can not have two masters. I also believe that if a believer truly has the Holy Spirit dwelling within, that the Character of Christ will begin to shine through as a result of the Holy Spirit's work in us, not our own efforts. Obedience is the fruit of true saving faith.

It's unfortunate that some insist that you must believe exactly as they do or they proclaim that you are not saved.

 

[MaggieMye]

"A person who has true faith will never depart. Scripture is clear on this matter." Yes scripture is clear: you CAN lose your faith AND your salvationHeb 6: 4For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,

5and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
THOSE THAT OVERCOME WILL NOT LOSE THEIR FAITH:Revelation 3:5
' He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.