Jason, every post and every thread you make is some verbose nonsense about how we are all going to lose our salvation. Or some imaginary straw man who accepts Christ and never lives fo him.
I was saved ONCE! That is called "justification" in the Bible. It was the time when Christ called me, and the Holy Spirit made me a new creature in Christ!
"17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation;19 that is, in Christ God was reconcilingthe world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." 2 Cor. 5:17-21
You have a lot of weird doctrines, including soteriology and the afterlife. You never listen to what anyone else says, you just continue to push and push and push, and I am frankly quite tired of you judgments and insinuations. Like we are all going to hell (but not going to stay long!) if we do not agree with you.
I feel sorry you are so stuck in your false doctrines, and keep twisting verses to suit your twisted purposes.
I will say, in closing, that I was far from God from 2001 to 2003. It was not because I was sinning, but because of the pain of Rheumatoid Arthritis, moving to a place without any friends, and being unable to find a church. Through it, I knew God was real, I knew he was right there. But as I later learned, it was something I had to go through to shape and mold my character to be more like him, and to help me to find a new purpose, hope and joy. God did not "unsave" me because I was mad at him because of the suffering. He used it for his glory as he says he will in his word!
"28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,or those who are called according to his purpose." Romans 8:28
Jason, GOD saves us, as you have been told over and over. It is PRIDE that leads people to think their works determine their justification. Santification is a process, and it is not over till we see Christ face to face. That is glorification.
I fear for you, Jason. You do NOT understand the sovereignty of God, which means you believe in a false god. You do not understand Christ's finished work on the cross! You believe in yourself and your works, NOT Christ on the cross, risen and interceding before the Father.
I beseech you to listen the many good verses posted here, and think carefully about whether you are truly saved by Jesus Christ. Your posts point to a man made religion, rather than a loving relationaship with the Creator, who is quite capable of changing us for his glory, in spite of our faults, failings and sin.
GOD IS IN CONTROL!!!!
First, instead of throwing around baseless accussations around, let's try to understand where we are both coming from.
Personally, I believe in the Biblical View of "
Conditional Salvation" that teaches that a true believer who is saved will naturally bring forth a life full of holiness and fruitful works. Now, do not misunderstand me, works are not done to be saved, but they are merely the evidence that you have been saved when one repents and accepts Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. If a believer sins, they need to immediately confess that sin and forsake it and continue to walk uprightly with their Lord. If a believer continues to abide in unrepentant sin that leads unto death (lying cheating murder etc.) then they are not saved. For what exactly do you think you are being cleansed of if you do confess of your sin?
Anyways, seeing I hold to the Biblical View of "Conditional Salvation", I am naturally against all forms of OSAS. However, that said, I believe that only those who hold to "
Conditional Salvation" and "
OSAS Lite" are true Christians (or my brothers). I believe all other forms of OSAS are teachings from the pits of Hell. For it promotes that abiding in sin and being out fellowship with God and is acceptable to the Lord. In any event, there are three major types of OSAS.
OSAS Type #1:
Classic OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) which says you can practice unrepentant sin that leads unto death (Such as lying, murder, hate, fornication, etc.) and yet you can somehow still be saved.
OSAS Type #2:
Mid Range OSAS says that you cannot practice sin otherwise you do not know God. However, abiding in an occasional or small unrepentant sin and then dying in that sin will not necessarily send you to Hell.
OSAS Type #3:
OSAS Lite teaches that you if you practice or continually abide in unrepentant sin then you were never saved to begin with. Meaning that a true believer is characterized by them living righteously. So falling away from the faith would be impossible (Despite the many verses that talk about such a thing).
Second, you have to understand that if a person practices evil as a way of life, they are not of God. It's Morality 101. Good guys do good and bad guys do evil. You really do not need a Bible to tell you that. But if you do, Jesus said, you will know false prophets (i.e. false believers) by their fruit. Peter also identified false believers as those who have eyes full of adultery and who cannot cease from sin (2 Peter 2:1, 14). In the book of Jude, there are those who have turned the grace of our God into a license for immorality (Jude 1:4 NIV). Paul says, be not deceived the unrighteous will not inhert the Kingdom of God. Having a belief on Jesus while one does both good and evil is not what God calls His people to do. Jesus said, I would rather you be cold or hot. Jesus does not want us to be Lukewarm. How do we become hot? Not by our own power. But by the Lord's power. Thru the regeneration and washing of the Holy Ghost. For we are saved not by works but by His grace we are saved. We are saved by being transformed spiritually by the Spirit when we surrender our life to Him.
As for 2 Corinthians 5: You cannot focus a laser beam on passages of the Bible you prefer while ignoring others. When you read 2 Corinthians 5, you must also read 2 Corinthians 7 that talks about how Godly sorrow leads to repentance unto salvation. In fact, at the end of the chapter it talks about how it talks about the brethren's obedience and relates it to when they had fear and trembling when they received the Lord. In addition, Paul says in 2 Corinthians 13 says know ye not your own selves and prove that Christ be in you unless ye be reprobates. Doesn't sound like OSAS is in that verse to me. There is no I can do whatever sin and still be saved in that line of thinking withiin that passage. Paul says, no not your ownselves and prove that Christ be in you unless your reprobate. What is a reprobate. How would you define a reprobate believer in context of 2 Corinthians 13?
As for Romans 8:28: Well, read what the actual verse says. Those that LOVE God is the condition. One does not love God if they are sinning and or hating God. It's an oxymoron to say you love God and yet hate him by sinning against Him and or having broken fellowship with Him. Furthermore, if you were to look at Romans 8:1, it says those who are in Christ Jesus whoo WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH but who WALK after the Spirit are not under the "Condemnation." What is the "Condematiion" according to the Bible? The "Condemnation" is that Light has come into the world and men loved darkness rather than the the Light because their deeds were evil. For everyone that does evil hates the Light, neither comes to the Light, unless his deeds should be reproved (See John 3:19-21).
