Can you lose your Salvation?

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homwardbound

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Yes. Quite easily.

Once Saved, Always Saved?


Mark 13:13: and you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.

Romans 11:22: Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off.

1 Corinthians 9:27: but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

2 Peter 2: 20-22: For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overpowered, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, The dog turns back to his own vomit, and the sow is washed only to wallow in the mire.

1 Corinthians 10:12: Therefore let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall.

Galatians 5:4: You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

Hebrews 6:4-6: For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt. (Once saved, but then lost their salvation)

Hebrews 10:26-29: For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries. A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace?

1 Samuel 10:6: Then the spirit of the LORD will come mightily upon you (Saul), and you shall prophesy with them and be turned into another man.
Then....
1 Samuel 16:14: Now the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.

Philippians 2:12: Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

Of course the parable of the sower....
Matthew 13:18-23: "Hear then the parable of the sower. When any one hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what is sown in his heart; this is what was sown along the path. As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away. As for what was sown among thorns, this is he who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the delight in riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful. As for what was sown on good soil, this is he who hears the word and understands it; he indeed bears fruit, and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty."

Revelation 2:4-5: Yet I hold this against you: you have lost the love you had at first. Realize how far you have fallen. Repent, and do the works you did at first. Otherwise, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent.

1 Cor 6:9-10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Luke 15:32: "It was fitting to make merry and be glad, for this your brother was dead, and is alive; he was lost, and is found.'" (He REPENTED, therefore exists once again in the Father's good grace)




Salvation requires a real response from us in our lives, a response which goes well beyond a one-time salvation prayer "accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior".
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
Our Lord then goes on to list good works which reflect a true faith.

God gave man free will. Once saved then a person can later reject God and freely forsake their salvation. If someone has a change of heart after accepting Christ then God does not force them to spend eternity with Him. A person is not bound by chains (so to speak) to salvation, but can rather simply walk away from it. Mortal sin also separates us from God, and if we wish to be saved again then we must repent of that sin, otherwise remain separated from God.
Those that do such have not believed in God 100% and those that are trying to behave have not recieved the truth yet either and by their own wroks are trying to be saved or stay saved showing the results as in watch my smoke see how good I am? Salvation is a free gift from God and perfection is from God it is not the believers perfection ever it is God's that gave it to you the believer as you when see this will by free will will participate in, but it is not mine, yours or yours and can not be earned or kept after salvation by works of any Law. God desires for us to enter God's rest by belief their are no man made works involved, they are God works of LOVE his LOVE therefore there is no boasting and one stays humble and if one does sin as they learn to trust God by belief that he took it all away at the cross we have an advocate with the Father
1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
You see this is not for further forgiveness nor is to be taken advantage of used as an excuse for the flesh to sin. no it is for one to grow and learn to trust God that at the cross at the death of Christ we are freed from striving to obey Law any Law and come to life where we walk by faith and LOVE God's LOVE is produced the Love in 1Cor.13 is manifested in the believers heart as was and is Jesus.
 

homwardbound

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Hear Ye ALL OF ISRAEL! The LORD our God is ONE LORD. And you shall love Him with ALL your mind, heart and soul. And the second is JUST LIKE IT. To love your neighbor as yourself. Upon these two commandments hang ALL the law and prophets. That being said, Jesus' command is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS HE LOVED US!
100% correct so by this we know we are saved for a tree is always identified by its fruit, and the Holy Spirit testifies to my Spirit and my Spirit testifies to the Holy Spirit with the Love of God shed abroad in our hearts over cups overflowing spilling on to all others
 
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savedsince14

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Homeward bound, My point is this. Yes, the work is done as, far as God is concerned. But because we don't know the future, we have to ask God to forgive us daily of our sins becauise we don't know when we are going to sin.So, since God is all-mighty and all knowing , He is the only one who already knows. If we did not need to ask forgiveness every day, then we would not be sinning and satan would be out of the picture. But because God said ,"If we say we have no sin , we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in US."Yes God did forgive us when we got saved and saved us forever. But that doesn't stop us from sinning.So we ask God to forgive us daily because we still sin daily. The difference is , when we get saved we receive the Holy Spirit and He convicts us of our sin on a daily basis.The lost person does not have this.God bless you.
 
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GreenNnice

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By grace, we ARE saved, through faith, and, that (faith) is not of ourself, it is a free gift of God, that no one should boast.

Faith will BE used by us as we work for Him, we are His workmanship. Just how it's gonna be.

I don't like to think of the overcoming thought that comes from one who does not overcome , but Scripture is clear, there is a freewill determinism involved in your salvation and it is clear in many places and the latest place I brought up today was from 2 John 2: 18-29 where John is clear that antichrists were the ones that NEVER belonged but YOU do belong so you are to REMAIN in Him, and, CONTINUE in Him.

This surely speaks of John's issuing the importance of saying with Christ , and, the 'belonging' to Him. I hate to think of the opposite word of 'belong,' to me it's 'disowned.'

I just prefer to walk with Him, as best I can, striving toward that 'perfect' prize which is Christ Jesus and seeing Him way up beyond the blue :) Do Lord, OH, , do Lord, do remember me. :)
I took Jesus as my Saviour when I was 16 years old and I took Him because I KNEW without Him I could not make it and Scripture tells me He CHOSE me, so, He did :) And, after He chose me, I chose Him :)

I have left Him, I admit, but, I have stayed with Him, too, as the lukewarm actions of myself WERE dealt with, still are, hey, I sin still, I'm sure I have said things, even on c.c., GASP!, that are not great things to say, I'm not sure what, but I'm going to err on the side of caution and be humble :) God says He will 'lift me up' when I do that, and, so, it is my prayer to do so.

But, yes, read 2 John 2: 18-29 and look at keywords in that passage, including words like 'belonged' and 'in the first place' and 'antichrists' and 'the promise--eternal life,' and, 'continue in Him,' and remain in Him,' and, 'continue in Him' said again, and, 'remain in Him' said again, and, 'born of God.' Then, also read, 1 John 1:12-13 and then 1 John 3: 6-10. In this way, one can understand how EASY it is to remain in Him. Born of God, one does not sin, because His blood covers us, but God forbid that one sins with this knowledge SPITED, with the blood of Jesus on the cross gone over with water, trying to cleanse yourself after doing this blatantly. This would be condsidered a form of blasphemy, I think, and, Scripture is so clear....

....that blasphemy is a sin that God won't forgive. And, do remember, to actually commit blasphemy is when one is going against He who IS in side you and this would be the Holy Spirit who is, by faith of you believing in Him, inside YOU :) Don't go contrary in thought and actions to the Holy Spirit who is there to comfort you with the knowledge of Heaven YOURS and an advocate for your decisions in life and Helper for you to get through the persecution that you surely will go through and should WANT to go through because those who are persecuted (read Matthew 5 , the beatitudes) and whose name is hurled insults against, for those done this by others, Jesus preaching in this 'sermon on the mount,' said, 'great. is your reward in heaven.' :)
 

zone

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Born of God, one does not sin, because His blood covers us, but God forbid that one sins with this knowledge SPITED, with the blood of Jesus on the cross gone over with water, trying to cleanse yourself after doing this blatantly. This would be condsidered a form of blasphemy, I think, and, Scripture is so clear....

....that blasphemy is a sin that God won't forgive.
green - if you sinned knowingly since being saved, according to your definition, not only is it blasphemy, you'll never be forgiven.

the unpardonable sin.

are you sure this is what you want to say?
why? why would you say this (again)?
 
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Hey I am in a Theology class right now and we have an assignment called the great debate... one of the topics was security in faith and we were assigned to take sides. My side got that you can use your Salvation.
I am thinking of scripture that would back me up.

its hard now because I am not even really sure what I believe


back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace."


Hebrews 6:4-6 "[SUP]4 [/SUP]It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,[SUP]5 [/SUP]who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age[SUP]6 [/SUP]and who have fallen[SUP][a][/SUP] away, to be brought

Please read my treatise, i go into great detail as to what the scriptures say. It should answer all of your questions!

God bless and have a great day!

elder1
 

homwardbound

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Homeward bound, My point is this. Yes, the work is done as, far as God is concerned. But because we don't know the future, we have to ask God to forgive us daily of our sins becauise we don't know when we are going to sin.So, since God is all-mighty and all knowing , He is the only one who already knows. If we did not need to ask forgiveness every day, then we would not be sinning and satan would be out of the picture. But because God said ,"If we say we have no sin , we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in US."Yes God did forgive us when we got saved and saved us forever. But that doesn't stop us from sinning.So we ask God to forgive us daily because we still sin daily. The difference is , when we get saved we receive the Holy Spirit and He convicts us of our sin on a daily basis.The lost person does not have this.God bless you.
David, if truith sets us free then error puts one in bondage. Now if anyone is in bondage whoever they are might possibly have error in their truth, and might need to re-think their truth
If one has the peace that passes all understanding, quietness and confidence, that one has recieved righteousness God Given
Tell me is there any forgiveness without the shedding of blood? How was the sacrificial system set up? Is that sacrificial ststem over after Christ? When one asks for more forgiveness that Christ took away at the cross are they in essemce asking and crucifying Christ all over again
David to keep asking to be forgiven because you are sold on that you will sin daily, is a lie, God did not come to keep his children sinning he came to take away sin at the cross by Himself John 1:29 says this as john the baptist being the witness. Now I need scripture to back up that we are to ask forgiveness after we have come to Christ 1 John 1:9 does not say to continue asking for more after receiving this as truith. And David do you know what the context of 1 John is? It was written to a pastor that had a congregation of mixed people that claimed belief, but some did not belief that Jesus came in the flesh becasue all flesh is evil, therefore Jesus was just an apparition, and since all flesh is evil they themselves were not of the flesh so they did not have a sin nature either since they believed in Jesus. These people are known as Knostics.
Now read 1 John from 1:1 onward go past 1:9 please David I know by your posts that you do believe so do and did the knostics of that day and this letter straightened them out
Anyway brother also in Hebrews 6 it states there is no further repentance (forgiveness) after the tastings of all the spiritual milk, and now needing meat 6:6
[SUP]6 [/SUP]and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
So tell me God the Father who has had all sin taken away through his Son at the cross, Who today after the cross deals with ther believers on sin and death as he did in the Old Testament is this what is happening with you and no scripture to back it up?
David how does God view us today after the cross in the new Covenant?
Hebrews 10:17Then he adds:“Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.”
Hebrews 6:1Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,
Hebrews 9:14How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

David to say that yes Christ died for all my sins and believe this then there is no more sacrifice for sins is there? but when I say I need more forgiveness am I not saying that I do not believe you Lord? Would I not be talking out two sides of my Mouth? saying with my Lips I believe you and with my taught belief saying I need more forgiveness you did not take it all please I need more forgiveness? strange yes
Hebrews 7:27Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
Hebrews 9:12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption
Hebrews 9:26Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Sin in God's sight is done away with sin at the cross period. and if you want to contiinue to ask and not recieve done and then move on to eternal life that he came to give you it is your choice to continue to go back to the sacrificial system and continuously get your sins forgiven, but brother how are you with this sacrificial system are you getting less sinful more sinful is God growing you and teaching helping you to stop sinning? Does God want you to sin? So what did the cross do then?
I love you David and my heart is mourning for you to come to peace that passes all understanding, quietness and confidence that is in the finished work of Christ Jesus
Thanks homwardbound
 

homwardbound

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By grace, we ARE saved, through faith, and, that (faith) is not of ourself, it is a free gift of God, that no one should boast.

Faith will BE used by us as we work for Him, we are His workmanship. Just how it's gonna be.

I don't like to think of the overcoming thought that comes from one who does not overcome , but Scripture is clear, there is a freewill determinism involved in your salvation and it is clear in many places and the latest place I brought up today was from 2 John 2: 18-29 where John is clear that antichrists were the ones that NEVER belonged but YOU do belong so you are to REMAIN in Him, and, CONTINUE in Him.

This surely speaks of John's issuing the importance of saying with Christ , and, the 'belonging' to Him. I hate to think of the opposite word of 'belong,' to me it's 'disowned.'

I just prefer to walk with Him, as best I can, striving toward that 'perfect' prize which is Christ Jesus and seeing Him way up beyond the blue :) Do Lord, OH, , do Lord, do remember me. :)
I took Jesus as my Saviour when I was 16 years old and I took Him because I KNEW without Him I could not make it and Scripture tells me He CHOSE me, so, He did :) And, after He chose me, I chose Him :)

I have left Him, I admit, but, I have stayed with Him, too, as the lukewarm actions of myself WERE dealt with, still are, hey, I sin still, I'm sure I have said things, even on c.c., GASP!, that are not great things to say, I'm not sure what, but I'm going to err on the side of caution and be humble :) God says He will 'lift me up' when I do that, and, so, it is my prayer to do so.

But, yes, read 2 John 2: 18-29 and look at keywords in that passage, including words like 'belonged' and 'in the first place' and 'antichrists' and 'the promise--eternal life,' and, 'continue in Him,' and remain in Him,' and, 'continue in Him' said again, and, 'remain in Him' said again, and, 'born of God.' Then, also read, 1 John 1:12-13 and then 1 John 3: 6-10. In this way, one can understand how EASY it is to remain in Him. Born of God, one does not sin, because His blood covers us, but God forbid that one sins with this knowledge SPITED, with the blood of Jesus on the cross gone over with water, trying to cleanse yourself after doing this blatantly. This would be condsidered a form of blasphemy, I think, and, Scripture is so clear....

....that blasphemy is a sin that God won't forgive. And, do remember, to actually commit blasphemy is when one is going against He who IS in side you and this would be the Holy Spirit who is, by faith of you believing in Him, inside YOU :) Don't go contrary in thought and actions to the Holy Spirit who is there to comfort you with the knowledge of Heaven YOURS and an advocate for your decisions in life and Helper for you to get through the persecution that you surely will go through and should WANT to go through because those who are persecuted (read Matthew 5 , the beatitudes) and whose name is hurled insults against, for those done this by others, Jesus preaching in this 'sermon on the mount,' said, 'great. is your reward in heaven.' :)
Greennice I can't find 2John 2:18-29 I think youposted it wrong please let me know I am interested in reading it thank Homwardbound
 

homwardbound

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green - if you sinned knowingly since being saved, according to your definition, not only is it blasphemy, you'll never be forgiven.

the unpardonable sin.

are you sure this is what you want to say?
why? why would you say this (again)?
Because the blood covers us ongoing Zone we are forgiven back at the cross and from God's view point he does not see the sin he sees the new creation that he put in us the day we first believed sealed with the Holy Ghost of promise. I no longer talk out of two sides of my mouth saying out of one side I am forgiven and then watch for if I sin or not and go back to Jerusalem to get my Sins Forgiven. Is this what you do Zone ask for more forgiveness which in essence is blasphemy saying I need more forgiveness I got to go back to Jerusalem, What for? to get my sins forgiven, I thought you said that he took them all that the cross where all are forgiven by the cross? Well yes Zone you did right? Then where are you going? Back to Jerusalem What for? to Get my sins forgiven. I though you said that Christ already forgave you all your sins
It was done once and for all Christ is not coming back to shed anymore Blood or sacrifice himself again anagain, it is don it is over the sacrificial system, Gopd want to give one new life but first they need to accept that from God's vantage point he has taken sin out of the way so you the believer can come to life here and now by Believing God
Love you Zone
 
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savedsince14

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Homewardbound, you sound like you believe in sinless perfection. By that I mean you believe you don't sin at all after you are saved. Iknow that as far as God sees it ,all sins are forgiven because God sees eternity past , eternity present and eternity future. The only person to ever live a totally sinless life was Jesus. This is why God said ,'If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. " This means if we believe we don't sin after we are saved, then we are lying to ourselves. Do you have bad thoughts? Do you speed? Do you not do the right thing when you know you should? If all these are a part of your life, because they are a part of mine(just like everyone else that is saved) then you do sin .We ALL do. You know, this discussion about "can you lose salvation " will go on until either we die or the Lord returns . Ther are some that are going to believe you can lose it , and some that are going to believe (like myself)that you can't.It will never end. I hope that I have not offended anyone by what I have said. Satan wants the scriptures argued. God does not. If you are saved, then I will see you in heaven. By the way, my name ain't David. God bless you richly, my brother.
 
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It is much better to ask what we can do to get our Salvation and keep it.I believe that we all know that path which leading to Salvation is very narrow!
 

homwardbound

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Homewardbound, you sound like you believe in sinless perfection. By that I mean you believe you don't sin at all after you are saved. Iknow that as far as God sees it ,all sins are forgiven because God sees eternity past , eternity present and eternity future. The only person to ever live a totally sinless life was Jesus. This is why God said ,'If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. " This means if we believe we don't sin after we are saved, then we are lying to ourselves. Do you have bad thoughts? Do you speed? Do you not do the right thing when you know you should? If all these are a part of your life, because they are a part of mine(just like everyone else that is saved) then you do sin .We ALL do. You know, this discussion about "can you lose salvation " will go on until either we die or the Lord returns . Ther are some that are going to believe you can lose it , and some that are going to believe (like myself)that you can't.It will never end. I hope that I have not offended anyone by what I have said. Satan wants the scriptures argued. God does not. If you are saved, then I will see you in heaven. By the way, my name ain't David. God bless you richly, my brother.
I never said I have no sin I said God himself took it all away in him by Christ to me and I have recieived this as complete from Christ he died to sin once and for all to destroy it and in him it is destroyed what I am saying is that from God's point of view you are forgiven and Christ is not coming back to execute any further forgiveness. Therefore David when you and or anyone else is askng God to forgive them after they say they believe him are not believing him and crucifying the Lord afresh as if he did not from his sight take them all away. and is there any forgiveness without the shedding of blood? No therefore why are you asking for forgiveness when there is no shedding of blood?

HHebrews 9:22In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

brews 10:1

[ Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All ] The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.
Hebrews 9:12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.
Romans 6:10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
Hebrews 10:10And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Past Tense he died once for all that will believe do you beleive him David is it finished when in him is there any more work on our part to do besides believe. You seem to think based on 1 John 1:9 and if oyu look up in the original greek it states and ahs past tense already forgiven you not you ongoingly recieve forgiveness Christ is our ongoing mediator nad if we do sin after this knowledge of truth in despite of this truth as in taking advantage of it then we are going to or should be in fear of the comiing wrath by takiing advantage of this amazing salvation andtramp[ling it under ones feet.
Jude 1:3[ The Sin and Doom of Ungodly People ] Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.

This is exactly what I an doing contending for the Faith did Christ do waht Christ said he did take away all sin?
Then come to life in him trusting him to do and is already done what you have not been able to do. Focused on sin David as aman sows so shall he reap. Keep focusing on sin whether you want it to stop or not that is what you shall reap and have been reaping sometimes doing better and sometimes worse, asking God to help you has not worked and asking God to forgive you again and again has not worked therefore you are still in bondage and your truth has not set you free. Maybe it is time tore-think your truth and be free. It is not sinless perfection it is God's sinless perfection and only God's Iam only a partaker in his righteousness of LOVE
 

homwardbound

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It is much better to ask what we can do to get our Salvation and keep it.I believe that we all know that path which leading to Salvation is very narrow!
Yes it is so narrow that man just can't give up his own works and just trust God that God already did it all at the cross for us

Ephesians 2:8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
2 Corinthians 9:15Thanks be to God for his indescribable gift!
Romans 5:16Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
Romans 5:17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
Romans 6:23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 11:29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.
 

homwardbound

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Colossians 2:13When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,
So here today from belief you are alive and were dead yes?
Ephesians 2:1[ Made Alive in Christ ] As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,
 

jandian

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For the life of me; I cant understand why Christians keep fighting for their right to sin.
 

homwardbound

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Sorry you get this as a right to sin, and now looking back at this thread, I see what you are saying, and by no means am I promoting sin, God forbid.

[h=3]Romans 6[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[h=3]Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ[/h]6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? [SUP]2 [/SUP]By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? [SUP]4 [/SUP]We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[SUP][a][/SUP] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— [SUP]7 [/SUP]because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.