charismatic quotes and holy laughter

[MaggieMye]

I"ve seen people DO holy laughter but it is nothing more than FLESH attempting to manifest the Holy Spirit. It is a mockery of Holy Spirit and His healing Joy. I've also see TRUE holy laughter overtake someone. And sometimes, WE laugh just because it IS contagious....someone truly experiencing real holy laughter is laughing so hard that we laugh at them laughing....and I think that is OK. But for some reason, there always seems to be a fake quality to the laughter when it is not really Holy Spirit or a contagious effect of seeing someone experiencing His joy.
For me, when I see people play acting the laughter and manifesting flesh, it grates on my spirit. And, ironically, those doing so, always seem to be able to turn it off and on, like with a switch.
Maggie

 

[Baruch]

I NEVER TESTIFIED of any,such thing SIR, what I said was I didn't Know if I was going to get to preach that Night, Just as I have sit in amany of services where people didn't believe in the such things , I have seen several services turn into A testimony service and the preacher didn't get to preach that service, and they were great spirit filled meetings, we had several families in our church that night that were going through alot of family problems. at the first I sensed the spirit of despair, I call all to the front all came but one lady and her husband that was skeptic of such things, and I got the anointing oil out And I anointed the ones that came forth and I prayed that God would send the Spirit of Joy down on us . and before we got done worshipping, laughter started Joy came down and it even fell on the one I didn't anoint. i think she laughed the most. you sir which I thought might be one of the good ones in here sir have twisted my words so bad I don't know about you anymore Sir. Thy shalt not bear false witness. u need to quit adding to what people say in here.

I apologize as I was recollecting what was posted earlier by you and getting it confused with another testimony's.

As it is, the Spirit seeks to edify us through the knowledge of Him through the scriptures so that our love may abound yet more and more, so this spirit stopped you from preaching that night.

In Toronto Canada, there was a move of the "spirit" then as well where it got to the poiint that they were saying "We do not need the word anymore. All we need is the Spirit." So tell me how that is not being conveyed when you permit the suffering of your house and the houses of your congregation to be broken through by a thief.

You really think the Holy Spirit would cause chaos in the worship service and have no one edified by the word when Paul spoke against even having everyone speaking in tongues lest someone unlearned came in and think them all mad? Y

You really think the Holy Spirit Whom will not speak of Himself would lead many to look for Him coming and going in the worship service even as the "Spirit of Joy to receive focus and glory?

Tell me how seducing spirits would lead many astray in the latter days as falling away from the faith to have their conscience seared as if by a hot iron if it isn't by seeking another spirit to receive which you have not received... because it is being repeated... and calling for the Holy Spirit to come when He is already in you as not being one done in hypocrisey?

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

2 Corinthians 13: 5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

2 Corinthians 11:3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

What else is in the world that believers are to test the spirits if "holy laughter" is not one done by seducing spirits? What else has been coming into the churches that would take your eyes off of Jesus to these seducing spirits if this "Spirit of Joy" is not it? How is it that this spirit failed the litmus test by glorifying itself by this move when the Holy Spirit is to be a witness of Jesus Christ to glorify Him and not speak of himself to glorify himself in any way to detract from His role as the Divine Witness of the Son?

I do not care how good this spirit made you feel... test them now, brother, as I have tested them by the Word. The holy laughter movement is not a "move" the Holy Spirit would do so narrow the Way back to that straight gate before it is too late, brother. Jesus is our first love, but that "Spirit of Joy" is sure acting like a thief in my eyes as it took center stage in the worship service.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Why would the devil be interested in giving anyone a spirit of joy, wouldn't he want to give a person a spirit of grumpiness?

 

[MahogonySnail]

Holy laughter is a real thing and it is hard to fake it without feeling or looking stupid. Sometimes God tells a joke and it's really funny so we laugh.

 

[Baruch]

I"ve seen people DO holy laughter but it is nothing more than FLESH attempting to manifest the Holy Spirit. It is a mockery of Holy Spirit and His healing Joy. I've also see TRUE holy laughter overtake someone. And sometimes, WE laugh just because it IS contagious....someone truly experiencing real holy laughter is laughing so hard that we laugh at them laughing....and I think that is OK. But for some reason, there always seems to be a fake quality to the laughter when it is not really Holy Spirit or a contagious effect of seeing someone experiencing His joy.
For me, when I see people play acting the laughter and manifesting flesh, it grates on my spirit. And, ironically, those doing so, always seem to be able to turn it off and on, like with a switch.
Maggie

What would qualify you as a seducing spirit? True.. I have seen people faking... which goes to show what? No good tree will prioduce a bad fruit. This whole event.. is a bad tree even when it is real... and especiually when it is real that it takes center stage instead of Christ Jesus in the worship place.

The definition of the anti-christ is..." instead of Christ".

1 John 4: 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

That means this in regards to keeping the faith:

2 Corinthians 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

We read on in how describing the Holy Spirit as coming again on the believers to be felt in the worship place as coming and going.

1 John 4: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Kundalini.. a eastern mysticism can testify of experincing the same thing.

1 John 4:5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

We are to be witnesses of Jesus Christ and what He has done, but it seems that this spirit format is being utilized in so many ways that one things the believers are stuck at the Day of Pentecost as if they have never received the Spirit when they were saved or unable to hold the new wine and thus not a new creature in Christ Jesus.

Matthew 9:17Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

Proverbs 25:26A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

1 Corinthians 14:23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
26How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

If Paul, led by the Holy Spirit, wrote this, then why would the Holy Spirit countermand those instructions by stopping edification by the word by creating chaos in the worship place where someone would come in and think them all mad and thus never be able to give the report that God is in you of a truth, but instead, testify of what he or she has already seen in the world in how they seek after other spirits?

Either we are witnesses of what Christ has done, being bought as His and sealed as His or we are serving not the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[MahogonySnail]

What you are really saying Baruch is that the Holy Spirit is the anti christ. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[Baruch]

Why would the devil be interested in giving anyone a spirit of joy, wouldn't he want to give a person a spirit of grumpiness?

The same reason the devil would make people think they need the Holy Spirit when He is already in them when He was promised for coming to Jesus...so he could void faith in what Christ has done so you would cease to bear witness of that Truth and declare another way for life... instead of Christ.

Surely you have received joy after your salvation in Christ Jesus... or did you not?

Then what need for this "Spirit of joy" other than to hinder the edification of the assembly in the knowledge of Him through the written word?

But as it is, you are bearing witness of something else in His name and you are glorifying that name above Jesus Christ's name. May God help you to see that error.

 

[Baruch]

Holy laughter is a real thing and it is hard to fake it without feeling or looking stupid. Sometimes God tells a joke and it's really funny so we laugh.

I know that holy laughter is a real thing, but I also know that it is not of the Lord.

 

[Baruch]

What you are really saying Baruch is that the Holy Spirit is the anti christ. You should be ashamed of yourself.

No.. what you are really saying that any spirit can be the Holy Spirit. That should be to your shame.

The faith is what I am repeating by the grace of God. 2 Corinthians 13:5 You keep blurring the lines and ignoring His words.

You keep saying there is another drink to be had of the Holy Spirit, but there is only one.

1 Corinthians 12:13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Ephesians 4:4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Matthew 9: 17Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

And yet those that seek after more of the Spirit to be filled by Him and to receive more and more and never be filled.... are not bearing withness of Jesus Christ in the glory of what He has done as Saviour but glorifying something else in His name.

Pentecost might as well be the movie: Groundhog Day.

Hebrews 6:1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3And this will we do, if God permit. 4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

So like everytime you guys allow yourself to believe and accept that there is another spirit to receive, you are voidng those words above as well as the faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[Aliciaforjesus]

I don't understand, you speak as if the Spirit is somehow lesser or different to God. Or that glorifying God (the Spirit) is somehow wrong. The Spirit is very much God, He is the Spirit of Christ. In essense the Spirit and Jesus are one and the same. I don't see the issue here. What's the problem if I speak only to the Holy Spirit today and not pray to Jesus? I'm doing the right thing because it is the Spirit who is the Helper and Comforter on earth now, not just Jesus who is in Heaven.

The Bible very clearly states the Holy Spirit will not Glorify Himself.
There is a reason God says to do things in a certian order.
He tells us How we should pray,
The word says Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Jesus!

It is when faith in Jesus is active, the Holy Spirit moves and the gifts opperate. It brings glory to the name of Jesus, not to it self!

Praying to the Holy Spirit does not line up with the word.

Show me in the word where someone prayed to the Holy Spirit!!!!!!

Jesus explains the Holy Spirit and what it does in the book of John 14,15,16,17

Acts 1:8 But you shall recieve power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me. (Jesus)

In the book of Acts the Holy Spirit only fell or filled someone when Jesus was believed not the other way around!

It is all centered on Jesus, He is the chief cornerstone!

He is the rock of our salvation.

He is the author and the finnisher of our faith!

 

[MaggieMye]

Re #45
I'm more of the line of thinking that rather than a 'seducing' spirit, it is a manifestation of the FLESH. If it were to be a spirit, it would be one of mockery and of fear of man and fear of rejection.
The KEY is in what does the 'holy' laughter produce? Is it just a bunch of people laugh it up or is it a type of deliverance and/or healing taking place.
Check out this site to actually WATCH people participate in the former IMO...almost every night. Click on "Live Broadcast and Phoenix Outpouring Archives
Click here! at http://www.springsoflivingwater.org/
I'd REALLY be interested in opinions after you've watched. It's on Pacific time 7:30, but they usually don't get going till 8:00.
You might ask why I watch? Because I know the guy personally and have found him to be unteachable, uncorrectable...he answers only to God, which is a HUGE red flag.
Maggie

 

[MahogonySnail]

Baruch , it's very simple, if you dont' know the Spirit of God or worship Him you don't know Christ even though you claim to. True Christians know and worship the Spirit. You more or less claim that true christians who worship the Spirit are worshipping an anti christ spirit. That's no wonder considering you also attack the Nicene creed, as it says of the Spirit "with the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified" .

AliciaforJesus you still haven't got it into your head that the Spirit and Christ are not separate and the Spirit is God as must as Jesus is. I also think perhaps this is your misunderstanding that the Spirit is an "it" and not a Person....as you said

Jesus explains the Holy Spirit and what it does in the book of John 14,15,16,17

Please don't call the Lord Himself an "it". It's very simple, if anyone claims to be a Christian and worship and know Jesus but does not worship and know the Spirit, they are not worshipping and knowing Jesus. Because God must be worshipped in spirit and in truth:

Joh 4:24 God is a spirit, and they who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth.

Because we can't claim to know Jesus Christ who is in heaven, if we don't know the Helper and Comforter (the Spirit) here on Earth.

 

[Baruch]

Baruch , it's very simple, if you dont' know the Spirit of God or worship Him you don't know Christ even though you claim to. True Christians know and worship the Spirit. You more or less claim that true christians who worship the Spirit are worshipping an anti christ spirit. That's no wonder considering you also attack the Nicene creed, as it says of the Spirit "with the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified" .

AliciaforJesus you still haven't got it into your head that the Spirit and Christ are not separate and the Spirit is God as must as Jesus is. I also think perhaps this is your misunderstanding that the Spirit is an "it" and not a Person....as you said

Jesus explains the Holy Spirit and what it does in the book of John 14,15,16,17

Please don't call the Lord Himself an "it". It's very simple, if anyone claims to be a Christian and worship and know Jesus but does not worship and know the Spirit, they are not worshipping and knowing Jesus. Because God must be worshipped in spirit and in truth:

What post number did you get that quote from? Too late for me to correct that BUT

As you know full well that I refer to the Holy Spirit as the Person of the Trinity and as He and Himself on numerous occassions, you would pick a slip up (if I had committed one in posting) and act as if that is what I believe in spite of the many posts to the contrary.... just so you can avoid those points of contention I have posted to you.

Don't think for one moment that I have not noticed that, but I do thank you if I had posted that in error, however if you are referring to the term "itself" of KJV Romans 8:26-27, that is not the same thing as calling the Holy Spirit an it. Itself is referring to the Holy Spirit as the means by the use of the term "it" and the use of the term "self" to infer the Person of the Trinity by answering the riddle of how the Holy Spiriit can intervene without uttering any sound at all by being in us as the Comforter and Christ being the ONLY Mediator between God and man.. yes.. the man Christ Jesus.. specified so that wayward believers such as yourself do not use the Oneness of the Trinity to blur the offices given specifically to the Son Whom died on the cross for our sins and has risen to the right hand of God the Father. Our first love, remember? Course, your next quote suggests you have forgotten that.

Joh 4:24 God is a spirit, and they who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth.

Because we can't claim to know Jesus Christ who is in heaven, if we don't know the Helper and Comforter (the Spirit) here on Earth.

Brother, then you should fear this if you really believe that.

Matthew 7:21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus is the Bridegroom as we are the Bride. The only thing we will know about the Holy Spirit personally is that He is in us and seeks to testify and glorify the Son... not Himself.. while scriptures testifies of Jesus Christ as we are to be edified by the Word. John 16:13-14 & John 5:39-40

As we ought to as we are led by the Spirit of God within us: John 15:26-27.

So return to your first love before God reproves you for not heeding His words and doing them by chasing after other "gods" thinking they are the Holy Spirit when He has been in you all along... in and according to our faith in Jesus Christ Whom you are to be a witness of.

May the Lord deliver you from further climbing up another way.

 

[Aliciaforjesus]

We are to focus on Jesus!

There is no other way to the Father!

The Bible explains the work of the Holy Spirit, and I know this to be true in my own life.

I have operated in many of the gifts of the Spirit and have seen many signs and wonders!

The Holy Spirit does not glorify Himself, He glorifies the Son, Jesus!

Do not be decieved, the word does not lie!

It is very clear on the work of the Holy Spirit and the order of things, like prayer!

You need to bring your focus back to Jesus and let the Holy Spirit move and glorify Jesus!

Listen, my prayers are answered all the time!

I do not hit and miss with my prayers!

I see God moving all the time,

I live by the Spirit,

My life is not my own, and my days are filled with sharing Jesus to everyone that crosses my path.

I do not live a normal life.

I lay down my own life down everyday to share Jesus, and I have seen many, many signs and wonders!
I am very use to the Holy Spirit moving and having His way!

I know God!

I know the work of the Holy Spirit!

I know the power of the name of Jesus!

I live in the Spirit all the time!

I wake up in the middle of the night praying in the Spirit!

My day is led by the Spirit, and my life is full of the word.

The living word fills my life and spills over to every one I meet!

I have fruit of my salvation!

I have people coming to the Lord everyday!

My church grows daily!

I live and breathe the word, 24\7, 365 days a year!

I live a life like Paul did!

Signs and wonders follow everywhere I go!

 

[MahogonySnail]

What post number did you get that quote from? Too late for me to correct that BUT

As you know full well that I refer to the Holy Spirit as the Person of the Trinity and as He and Himself on numerous occassions, you would pick a slip up (if I had committed one in posting) and act as if that is what I believe in spite of the many posts to the contrary.... just so you can avoid those points of contention I have posted to you.


Don't think for one moment that I have not noticed that, but I do thank you if I had posted that in error, however if you are referring to the term "itself" of KJV Romans 8:26-27, that is not the same thing as calling the Holy Spirit an it. Itself is referring to the Holy Spirit as the means by the use of the term "it" and the use of the term "self" to infer the Person of the Trinity by answering the riddle of how the Holy Spiriit can intervene without uttering any sound at all by being in us as the Comforter and Christ being the ONLY Mediator between God and man.. yes.. the man Christ Jesus.. specified so that wayward believers such as yourself do not use the Oneness of the Trinity to blur the offices given specifically to the Son Whom died on the cross for our sins and has risen to the right hand of God the Father. Our first love, remember? Course, your next quote suggests you have forgotten that.

The "it" point was not for you but AliciaforJesus.

I don't think I'm wayward at all, I am one of the few who trys to stick to orthodoxy, whereas people as yourself are off refuting the Nicene creed hehehe.

The issue is you are here speaking against people who love Jesus and also know the Spirit and claiming that this is some other anti christ spirit. So what you are saying is that the Holy Spirit is the anti christ spirit which is a terrible thing to say. Yet that is not surprising coming from someone who feels that they have the right to refute the Nicene creed.

So return to your first love before God reproves you for not heeding His words and doing them by chasing after other "gods" thinking they are the Holy Spirit when He has been in you all along... in and according to our faith in Jesus Christ Whom you are to be a witness of.

There you are again, claiming that the Spirit is another god. The Spirit moves as He wills, He doesn't need you to tell Him to stay within a person. It's very simple, if we are focussed on the Spirit of Christ we are focussed on Jesus. Or don't you believe the Spirit is the Spirit of Christ? No, I don't think you do, you would be quick to call Him another god or an anti christ spirit, which is shameful. The only reason you or I or anyone else can know Jesus is by the Spirit. I have begun to learn that those who reject the Spirit whilst claiming to follow and know Jesus, usually aren't. They are following a Jesus of their imagination, religious rituals or doctrine, but if they don't know the Spirit of Christ with them here on Earth , how can they know Jesus who is in Heaven?

We are to focus on Jesus!

There is no other way to the Father!

And the Spirit and Jesus are One, what is the issue here? We can't treat the Spirit as if He is independent and entirely separate from Christ. And worse, claim that the Spirit is some other spirit or "another god".


But we can't focus on Jesus whilst we are ignoring His Spirit here with us on earth.
1Jn 4:13 By this we know that we dwell in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.

 

[MahogonySnail]

There's a few truths that we should all know, about the Holy Spirit...

The Spirit is God.
The Spirit is the Father, the Father of Jesus.
The Spirit is the Spirit of Christ.
The Spirit is Lord, and speaks with the authority of the Lord.
The Spirit is not Christ's servant or slave, not some lowly humble servant, the Spirit is God Himself. Yes the Spirit glorifies Christ but the Spirit is not like an angel, bowing down to Christ and saying "glory glory'. The Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and glorifies Christ because the Father Himself glorifies the Son, whom He has put above all things seated at the right hand of God (Eph 1).

That the Spirit glorifies Christ does not mean we cannot glorify the Spirit. We too are supposed to glorify God. The Spirit is Christ's presence with us (2 Cor 3), so it makes no sense for anyone to say "don't glorify the Spirit, but only glorify Jesus". Can't you see that the Spirit is the Spirit of Christ?

That the Spirit speaks not of Himself but what He hears, means that whatever the Spirit says will be in perfect harmony with the Son and the Father.

We can talk to the Spirit, we can listen to the Spirit, sing to the Spirit, we can walk in and live in the Spirit, we can quench, grieve, ignore , even lie to the Spirit.

We must never make the mistake of calling the Spirit something else, a devil or "other spirit" or otherwise.

The Spirit and Jesus Christ cannot be separated. If you quench the Spirit you quench Jesus Himself, if you lie to the Spirit you lie to God Himself. If you ignore the Spirit you ignore God Himself.

We should not be afraid of glorifying or giving honor to the Spirit too much, rather we should be afraid of giving Him too little.

 

[Baruch]

The "it" point was not for you but AliciaforJesus.

I don't think I'm wayward at all, I am one of the few who trys to stick to orthodoxy, whereas people as yourself are off refuting the Nicene creed hehehe.

The issue is you are here speaking against people who love Jesus and also know the Spirit and claiming that this is some other anti christ spirit. So what you are saying is that the Holy Spirit is the anti christ spirit which is a terrible thing to say. Yet that is not surprising coming from someone who feels that they have the right to refute the Nicene creed.

You got hoodwinked like I was.

Nicene Creed was done in ecumnical format as making an agreement with the Catholic Church so are you in agreement with the Catholic Church? If not, then as they offer many doors to God through the priests, Mary, and the saints, you did not noticed how they broadened the way to God by offering a door to the Spirit?

Tell me how you can repove wayward believers from going to the priests, Mary, and the saints by pointing them to Jesus if the door is also available to the Spirit thus discounting Jesus.. specifically.. as the only way to God the Father?

There you are again, claiming that the Spirit is another god. The Spirit moves as He wills, He doesn't need you to tell Him to stay within a person.

I don't have to. Jesus said it. Not me.

John 14: 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

It's very simple, if we are focussed on the Spirit of Christ we are focussed on Jesus. Or don't you believe the Spirit is the Spirit of Christ? No, I don't think you do, you would be quick to call Him another god or an anti christ spirit, which is shameful.

No again. It is by preaching another spirit to receive which is not according to the Gospel of grace that I call "it" not the Holy Spirit. You looking for this other spirit to receive is of the doctrines of devils which was already in the world before the Gospel of grace came. As we are to be witnesses of Jesus Christ as the Spirit in us leads us to.. and the Holy Spirit would not speak of Himself to seek His own glory but to glorify the Son by having us bear testimony of Him, then by what spirit are believers testifying of and seeking to glorify the Spirit when supposedly "it" is the "Spirit" coming and going in the worship place? How is that different from mediums holding a seyance? The faith declares He is in you. You cannot get closer to God than you already are. It is by learning of Jesus through the scriptures thyat we are to be edified by the Word so our love may abound yet more and more.

The only reason you or I or anyone else can know Jesus is by the Spirit. I have begun to learn that those who reject the Spirit whilst claiming to follow and know Jesus, usually aren't.

So just open yourselves up to any spirit coming unto you cause "it" has to be from God? No way.

They are following a Jesus of their imagination, religious rituals or doctrine, but if they don't know the Spirit of Christ with them here on Earth , how can they know Jesus who is in Heaven?

And you don't see preaching another spirit to receive is foillowing another Jesus of your imagination?

And the Spirit and Jesus are One, what is the issue here? We can't treat the Spirit as if He is independent and entirely separate from Christ. And worse, claim that the Spirit is some other spirit or "another god".

I can if you preach another spirit to receive. 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 has been posted to you so many times, yet you ignore that Truth for discernment as well as the faith in 2 Corinthians 13:5, 1 Corinthians 12:13, & Ephesians 4:4-6. It is your spiritual rudiment which is found in the world before the Gospel came is why this prophecy is coming true.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

But we can't focus on Jesus whilst we are ignoring His Spirit here with us on earth.
1Jn 4:13 By this we know that we dwell in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.

Yeah.. quote the verse of what you are not preaching. Notice the past tense of that verse above? But yet you are preaching another spirit to receive and that is not being done by the Spirit of Truth but by the spirit of error. May the Lord deliever you from these seducing spirits and this false teaching before judgment falls on the House of God to reprove the wayward to be witnesses of His Son to glorify His Son and nothing else in His name for the Father can only be honoured and glorified through the Son... Whom God the Holy Spirit seeks to glorify as a witness... and so should you.

John 15: 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 15:26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

 

[Baruch]

Re #45
I'm more of the line of thinking that rather than a 'seducing' spirit, it is a manifestation of the FLESH. If it were to be a spirit, it would be one of mockery and of fear of man and fear of rejection.
The KEY is in what does the 'holy' laughter produce? Is it just a bunch of people laugh it up or is it a type of deliverance and/or healing taking place.
Check out this site to actually WATCH people participate in the former IMO...almost every night. Click on "Live Broadcast and Phoenix Outpouring Archives
Click here! at http://www.springsoflivingwater.org/
I'd REALLY be interested in opinions after you've watched. It's on Pacific time 7:30, but they usually don't get going till 8:00.
You might ask why I watch? Because I know the guy personally and have found him to be unteachable, uncorrectable...he answers only to God, which is a HUGE red flag.
Maggie

One would think that by noticing that red flag, he is teaching error in some form and fashion.

And here it is... which is the reason why so many believers get caught up in these "movement of the Spirit" as false propheta are led by the spirit of error.

2 Corinthians 11: 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

At this link, there is a blog and some responses that you may find interesting as they are shared experiences.

http://phoenixpreacher.com/cms/?p=2901

As it is, the Lord does not appear to be directing my footsteps to catch the time of this live broadcast. Oh well. Maybe He shall later? I know not.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Nicene Creed was done in ecumnical format as making an agreement with the Catholic Church so are you in agreement with the Catholic Church? If not, then as they offer many doors to God through the priests, Mary, and the saints, you did not noticed how they broadened the way to God by offering a door to the Spirit?

The Catholic church gets some things wrong, then again it gets a lot right too.
I believe in the Nicene creed along with 95% of christianity who does too.
If you reject it you may as well be a unitarian, JW or Mormon or something like that.

No again. It is by preaching another spirit to receive which is not according to the Gospel of grace that I call "it" not the Holy Spirit. You looking for this other spirit to receive is of the doctrines of devils which was already in the world before the Gospel of grace came. As we are to be witnesses of Jesus Christ as the Spirit in us leads us to.. and the Holy Spirit would not speak of Himself to seek His own glory but to glorify the Son by having us bear testimony of Him, then by what spirit are believers testifying of and seeking to glorify the Spirit when supposedly "it" is the "Spirit" coming and going in the worship place? How is that different from mediums holding a seyance? The faith declares He is in you. You cannot get closer to God than you already are. It is by learning of Jesus through the scriptures thyat we are to be edified by the Word so our love may abound yet more and more.

There you are again calling the Spirit an it and of the devil. If you only think the Spirit lives in your heart you are sorely mistaken. Then you mustn't believe in the omnipresence of God? I don't know how you think unbelievers get saved if not by the Spirit working upon their hearts.? Be careful what you call a doctrine of devils, we could very well call the same of your doctrine with your rejection of the Nicene creed et al.
How is it different from mediums holding a seyance? you ask, simply, we are not mediums, and we don't hold seyances, and we receive the Spirit of God not any other.


"You cannot get closer to God than you already are. "

Literally, yes, but in a spiritual sense...scripture says

Jas 4:8 Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you.

So just open yourselves up to any spirit coming unto you cause "it" has to be from God? No way.

Usually when we ask God for His good gift the Spirit He gives it to us. You must be afraid that God won't answer your prayers, that he will give you a stone when you ask for a fish, aren't you more afraid of receiving another spirit than the Holy Spirit?

And you don't see preaching another spirit to receive is foillowing another Jesus of your imagination?

The point is, we are not preaching or seeking another spirit, we are seeking and worshipping the Holy Spirit who is Lord and who is God. Are you?

I can if you preach another spirit to receive. 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 has been posted to you so many times, yet you ignore that Truth for discernment as well as the faith in 2 Corinthians 13:5, 1 Corinthians 12:13, & Ephesians 4:4-6. It is your spiritual rudiment which is found in the world before the Gospel came is why this prophecy is coming true.

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

We don't preach another spirit to receive, we preach the Holy Spirit. You shouldn't call the Holy Spirit "another spirit". Reading those verses you quoted about "another spirit', do not mean what you infer they mean. Speaking of "latter times doctrine of devils", the Nicene creed was 3rd/4th centuary, your doctrine is 21st centuary, what's the chances that your doctrine is one of those "latter times" false doctrines... given that the Nicene creed outdates your views by about 1700 years?

Yeah.. quote the verse of what you are not preaching. Notice the past tense of that verse above? But yet you are preaching another spirit to receive and that is not being done by the Spirit of Truth but by the spirit of error. May the Lord deliever you from these seducing spirits and this false teaching before judgment falls on the House of God to reprove the wayward to be witnesses of His Son to glorify His Son and nothing else in His name for the Father can only be honoured and glorified through the Son... Whom God the Holy Spirit seeks to glorify as a witness... and so should you.

You claim that God the Spirit lives within you, yet you don't worship and glorify Him? Why not?

 

[Baruch]

The Catholic church gets some things wrong, then again it gets a lot right too.
I believe in the Nicene creed along with 95% of christianity who does too.
If you reject it you may as well be a unitarian, JW or Mormon or something like that.

Nope. You are going to have to change the parameters to define me.

There you are again calling the Spirit an it and of the devil. If you only think the Spirit lives in your heart you are sorely mistaken.

No. You said Aliciaforjesus had posted that, not me.. so you cannot say I did it "again". As for your statement.... it is false. If you refer to any spirit outside of you as the Holy Spirit, I am calling that "spirit" an "it" as my faith declares that the only way we will know Him is by Him dwelling in us.

You keep blurring the line of discernment given in the scriptures in regards to our faith thus making it impossible for anyone to say that the spirit moving in the worship place is the spirit of the anti-christ... as in Jesus "is not come" in the flesh.

1 John 4: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

So who is being more insulting to God? By putting the Holy Spirit in the place where the spirit of the anti-christ moves in, you make it so that no one dare say anything or test any spirit because it might be the Holy Spirit. God confined the Holy Spirit in us for that purpose!! Even when there are manifestations...

1 Corinthians 14:23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

But what are you testifying of? That the "spirit" is in this place, moving.

"You cannot get closer to God than you already are. "

Literally, yes, but in a spiritual sense...scripture says

Jas 4:8 Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you.

Do keep it in context, brother.

James 4: 5Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?

Since God is a jealous God and there is none beside Him, chasing after what you deemed to be the Holy Spirit when He is in you causes verse 5.

6But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble. 7Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

You are not doing that. You are just going with the flow, glorying in yourselves in it of it happening to you.

8Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

Double-minded in that you say He is in you, and yet you say he is in the worship place to be felt in "its" coming and going. Draw nigh to Jesus or have you so soon forgotten the commandment of His invitation that Jesus is the only way to the Father?

9Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.

God is speaking to you and all those that participate in this "holy laughter" movement.

10Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

Acknowledge what God has done through Jesus Christ for youand be witnesses of the Good News or.... you are not and serving and glorifying something else in His name.

Usually when we ask God for His good gift the Spirit He gives it to us. You must be afraid that God won't answer your prayers, that he will give you a stone when you ask for a fish, aren't you more afraid of receiving another spirit than the Holy Spirit?

See that littloe red word there colored for your mild correction? Just showing how even you can post slip-ups.

Your application of those verses are so inappropriate and here is why. Did you receive the Holy Spirit or not? To ask for another spirit to receive is to be witness that God gave you a stone instead in the first place.

The point is, we are not preaching or seeking another spirit, we are seeking and worshipping the Holy Spirit who is Lord and who is God. Are you?

As much as I acknowledge that the Holy Spirit is God, by His grace, I am doing what the Holy Spirit in me is leading me to do.. to acknowledge the Son and thereby the Father. To deny the Son.. which by you asking for another spirit to receive is denying the promise( the Holy Spirit) for all those that come to and believe in the Son... is to deny the Father.

1 John 2:17And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Nowhere is the Holy Spirit is mentioned to be acknowledged nor addressed in prayer nor worshipped because we are led by the Spirit of God to honour the Son and thereby honouring the Father as we worship God the Father IN spirit and IN truth and not OUT of the spirit and APART from the truth.

24Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you,

Oh ho! So the anointing is not seperate from salvation!! Joyce Meyers is wrong!

....and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 28And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

We don't preach another spirit to receive, we preach the Holy Spirit. You shouldn't call the Holy Spirit "another spirit". Reading those verses you quoted about "another spirit', do not mean what you infer they mean. Speaking of "latter times doctrine of devils", the Nicene creed was 3rd/4th centuary, your doctrine is 21st centuary, what's the chances that your doctrine is one of those "latter times" false doctrines... given that the Nicene creed outdates your views by about 1700 years?

No you are not. You either already have the Holy Spirit as promised by Jesus or you are testifying of another spirit to receive even if you rationalize "it" by calling it the Holy Spirit.

You claim that God the Spirit lives within you, yet you don't worship and glorify Him? Why not?

Because scripturally, that is not what He was sent to dwell in us to lead us to do. It is the name of Jesus which is ABOVE every other name because that is the only way God the Father is glorified and that is through the Son. By worshipping and glorifying the Holy Spirit, proves you are not listening to Him nor being led by Him to go to the Son.

John 5:22-23 John 13:31-32 John 17:1-5 Philippians 2:9-11