Cherubim

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Cherubim,

an instance IN Ezekiel ch 10; which includes information on Cherubim the creatures.
Informs that they have hands like a man.
And this Section of Ezekiel confirms that the creatures with the wheels are indeed Cherubim!


Ezekiel 10:1-22 KJV


10 Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the Cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of ca throne. 2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill * thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight. 3 Now the cherubims stood ion the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court. 4 Then the glory of the LORD * went up from the cherub, and stood over lthe threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the LORD’s glory. 5 And nnthe sound of the cherubims’ wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh. 6 And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels. 7 And one cherub * stretched forth his hand from between the cherubims unto the fire that was between the cherubims, and took thereof, and put it into the hands of him that was clothed with linen: who took it, and went out.
8 And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man’s hand under their wings. 9 And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone. 10 And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel. 11 When they went, they went upon their four sides; they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went. 12 And their whole * body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes round about, even the wheels that they four had. 13 As for the wheels, * it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel. 14 And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle. 15 And the cherubims were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar. 16 And when the cherubims went, the wheels went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them. 17 When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, these lifted up themselves also: for the spirit * of the living creature was in them.
18 Then the glory of the LORD I departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims. 19 And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth kin my sight: when they went out, jthe wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the LORD’s house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above. 20 This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims. 21 Every one had four faces apiece, and every one four wings; and the likeness of the hands of a man was under their wings. 22 And the likeness of their faces was the same faces which I saw by the river of Chebar, their appearances and themselves: they went every one straight forward.

MY QUESTION IS…

WHAT ARE THE WHEELS SUPPOSED TO BE? Some type of vehicle?
If not why do the angels have wheels?
Why do the angels rise up and down from the earth here in machines?
The book of Ezekiel eventually reveals that the creatures are called Cherubim.
Are the Cherubim physical beings like us and the Seraphim more spirit creatures?
This is the only good flesh description of Cherubim (a type of angel, not the only one) in the Bible.
There are other descriptions of these creatures by the Bible describing the cherubim on the top of the ark of the covenant, and also the two cherubim in the temple built by Solomon the Wise.



The Hebrew Study Bible (Which is much like the KJ or NKJ but there are some subtle differences in the editions). I’ve always found this particular portion of Ezekiel very interesting. It’s not like the author was trying to conceal this knowledge, he placed it in the very first chapter of his book. Ezekiel basically figured if you were only gonna read a little of my book, well you would at least read the first chapter… right?

From the Heb. Study Bible Edition
Ezekiel 1:4-6, 15-21

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I looked, and lo, a stormy wind came sweeping out of the north-a huge cloud and flashing fire, surrounded by a radiance; and in the center of it, in the center of the fire, a gleam as of amber.
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In the center of it were also the figures of four creatures. An this was their appearance. They had the figures of human beings.
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However, each had four faces, and each of them had four wings; the legs of each were fused into a single rigid leg, and the feet of each were like a single calf's hoof; and their sparkle was like the luster of burnished bronze.

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As I gazed at the creatures, I saw one wheel on the ground next to each of the four-faced creatures.
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As for the appearance and structure of the wheels, they gleamed like beryl (amber colored stone). All four had the same form; the appearance and structure of each was as of two wheels cutting through each other.
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And when they moved, each could move in the direction of any of its four quarters; they did not veer when they moved.
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Their rims were tall and frightening, for the rims of all four were covered all over with eyes.
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And when the creatures moved forward, the wheels moved at their sides; and when the creatures were borne above the earth, the wheels were borne too.
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Wherever the spirit impelled them to go, they went-wherever the spirit impelled them-and the wheels were borne along side them; for the spirit of the creatures was in the WHEELS.
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When those moved, these moved; and when those stood still, these stood still; and when those were borne above the earth, the wheels were borne alongside them-for the spirit of the creatures was in the WHEELS


The rims from verse 18 may have been where the idea of halos on angels come from. IF not, Does anyone have any idea where in the Bible it says angels have gold rings over their head.
Later on in the book the angels call Ezekiel son of man. They are sons of God. They later on in the book explain to Ezekiel that they are what are called Cherubim a race of gods angels.


There is a Cherubim in Genesis, Which for me shows that the author of Genesis Was aware of the Different types of angels Genesis 3:24 which ties Ezekiel to Genesis for me. This same Cherubim is mentioned in Ezekiel 28:13-14
Maybe I can Explain it to you guys like this... ahem...
Though most commonly believed this passage refers to satan and the snake in the Garden of Eden, which is false... allow me to explain...

Ezekiel 28:13-14
13. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepaired in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Many have thought this to be speaking of LUCIFER.
however it is not. There is no mention of the name Lucifer in the Bible. A few versions of the Bible were printed that said the King of Tyre and of old Babylon were named Lucifer. This is not so, come to find out the RCC added in the Name lucifer to the Bible in the description of the king of tyre and babylon gaining power and then falling from power. This is not SATAN A LARGE RED DRAGON ANGEL.
YES the serpent was in the garden. SO the previous verses may have indicated that this is indeed satan. on the other hand the Bible goes out of Its way in Genesis to say that God PUT A CHERUBIM IN THE GARDEN of Eden!! Genesis 3:24

Genesis 3:24 KJ version

24. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.


SUMMARY:

So yes Ezekiel is reconfirming that there was a cherubim here at the beginning of mans existence; and that he was wielding a fiery ever turning sword, NOT THAT THE SNAKE IS SATAN. Also, nowhere in Genesis ch 3 where it mentions the serpent, never says a single word about satan, In fact (Genesis 3:1) goes out of its way to show that the serpent was just another beast of the field.
 
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Revelation 12:9

The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.


I think that's pretty conclusive.
 
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SO, Just what does the Bible say about Angels? KJV

I did include a summary at the bottom of this post, Please read and ask any questions on how I arrived at the assumptions that I make they are numbered. Please read the Verses first however to see if you drew the same conclusions as me. Angels are mentioned other places in the Bible, but I didn't include all the verses in the Bible which contained the words "angel" "cherubim" "saraphim" "sons of God", or "divine being". ONLY the word "angels".... I did this because it is a general term for a plural version of the divine beings angels. This was the only way that I felt you could get general information on what angels are like and what they do.


Gen 19:1
And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing [them] rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

Gen 19:15
And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

Gen 28:12
And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.

Gen 32:1
And Jacob went on his way, and the angels of God met him.

Job 4:18
Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly:

Psa 8:5
For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

Psa 68:17
The chariots of God [are] twenty thousand, [even] thousands of angels: the Lord [is] among them, [as in] Sinai, in the holy [place].

Psa 78:25
Man did eat angels' food: he sent them meat to the full.

Psa 78:49
He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels [among them].

Psa 91:11
For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

Psa 103:20
Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

Psa 104:4
Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

Psa 148:2
Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.

Mat 4:6
And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Mat 4:11
Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Mat 13:39
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat 13:49
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

Mat 16:27
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Mat 18:10
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Mat 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mat 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mat 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Mat 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mat 26:53
Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Mar 1:13
And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

Mar 8:38
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Mar 12:25
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Mar 13:27
And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Mar 13:32
But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Luk 2:15
And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.

Luk 4:10
For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:

Luk 9:26
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and [in his] Father's, and of the holy angels.

Luk 12:8
Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:

Luk 12:9
But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.

Luk 15:10
Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

Luk 16:22
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Luk 20:36
Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Luk 24:23
And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.

Jhn 1:51
And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

Jhn 20:12
And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

Act 7:53
Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept [it].

Rom 8:38
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

1Cr 4:9
For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.

1Cr 6:3
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

1Cr 11:10
For this cause ought the woman to have power on [her] head because of the angels.

1Cr 13:1
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Gal 3:19
Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Col 2:18
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

2Th 1:7
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

1Ti 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1Ti 5:21
I charge [thee] before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

Hbr 1:4
Being made so much better than the angels (JESUS), as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Hbr 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Hbr 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Hbr 1:7
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

Hbr 1:13
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Hbr 2:2
For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;

Hbr 2:5
For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

Hbr 2:7
Thou madest him (MAN) a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

Hbr 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Hbr 2:16
For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham.

Hbr 12:22
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Hbr 13:2
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

1Pe 1:12
Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

1Pe 3:22
Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

2Pe 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

2Pe 2:11
Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

Jud 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Rev 1:20
The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Rev 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 5:11
And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Rev 7:1
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
Rev 7:2
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

Rev 7:11
And all the angels stood round about the throne, and [about] the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

Rev 8:2
And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

Rev 8:6
And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Rev 8:13
And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Rev 9:14
Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

Rev 9:15
And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Rev 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Rev 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 14:10
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Rev 15:1
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Rev 15:6
And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

Rev 15:7
And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

Rev 15:8
And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

Rev 16:1
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

Rev 17:1
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

Rev 21:9
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Rev 21:12
And had a wall great and high, [and] had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are [the names] of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:




Summary:

1.What do they mean in Psalms 78:25 by "they ate angels food" , does that mean angel's food cake? LIKE WITH STRAWBERRIES? I think not!!!

2. Matthew 22:30 , and Mar 12:25 says "angels don't Get married, neither are they given in marriage" so angels don't have ceremony of marriage or the Giving away of the Bride by the Father angel.

3. Mat 24:36 Mar 13:32
But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
(says nobody knows the day NOT EVEN THE ANGELS) Even angels don't know when the end is.
This is because God wants to wait till there are no more people who can come to God. But God wont wait for forever... Behold he comes like a thief in the night.

4. Mar 13:27
And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
(says God will send his angels from the deepest parts of heaven...)


5. Luk 12:8
Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
Luk 12:9
But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
(says if deny Jesus the angels of heaven will deny us) ENTRY? Sounds like it, Stand up for Jesus.

6. Luk 20:36
Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
(Says we will be angel like when we die being that we live for forever, we don't actually morph into an angel.)

7. Angels Ascend and Descend:
John 1:51
And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

8. WE WILL JUDGE ANGELS "'WE' BEING THE ELECT"
1Cronicles 6:3
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

9. angels speak a language, that is not of men but of angels, an "angelic" language:
1Cronicles 13:1
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

10. Even though angels are great! and mighty... don't worship them. They are fellow servants of God.

Col 2:18
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Rev 22:8-9 And I John saw these things, and heard [them]. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 9. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book; worship God.

11. God made man "a little lower than the angels" but set him over the works of thy hands:

Hebrews 2:7
Thou madest him (Man) a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
2 Peter 2:11
Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

12. Be careful to treat people like neighbors cause you may be treating an angel"
Hebrews 13:2
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

13. Bible says that Angels left their heavenly abode, and for doing so they were condemned:

Genesis 6:2

Jud 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

14. Satan is cast down to the Earth by the Arch Angel Michael at the end of the WORLD:

Rev 12:7-9, 12
7. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8. And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
12. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. (angels) Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
 
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SUMMARY:

NOT THAT THE SNAKE IS SATAN. Also, nowhere in Genesis ch 3 where it mentions the serpent, never says a single word about satan, In fact (Genesis 3:1) goes out of its way to show that the serpent was just another beast of the field.
Genesis 3

King James Version (KJV)

3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

beast here, Serpent, is simply a figure of speech. beast translates as " to live, whether literally or figuratively". just something living, but this word is not the core of the teaching. Its the serpent.

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:...........


Revelation 12:9

King James Version (KJV)

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
 
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Genesis 3

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3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

beast here, Serpent, is simply a figure of speech. beast translates as " to live, whether literally or figuratively". just something living, but this word is not the core of the teaching. Its the serpent.

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:...........


Revelation 12:9

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9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Exactly this is Genesis saying that this creature is just another beast of the field. NOT a big dragon angel that hates us cause we look like God.

Genesis 3

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3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.


another way you can know that this is the snake is when God curses the snake he takes his legs and Arms. satan probably still has legs and arms and doesn't crawl around on his belly for eternity. ; ) but yeah I know I'm right about this.

Did you know that it is satanist teachings to say that satan was in the garden? cause their belief is that the snake was satan and he delivered us from an unjust mean knowledge greedy god.

When in reality, it was just a snake, we did something that God told us not to do. The Fruit we ate opened our minds, instead of killing us, NOW WE ARE 6 bILLION STRONG AND growing,
 
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Exactly this is Genesis saying that this creature is just another beast of the field. NOT a big dragon angel that hates us cause we look like God.
He hates us because we look like God ??? where are you getting that from ???

Just another creature? Just another creature does not, talk and tempt people,.... But Satan does, because Serpent as I have documented from the Bible is another, of Satan's names ( Rev 12:9 its called figures of speech, symbolism, that is used through out the Word of God.




another way you can know that this is the snake is when God curses the snake he takes his legs and Arms.
Sorry but that is not well thought out at all. grief.

satan probably still has legs and arms and doesn't crawl around on his belly for eternity. ; ) but yeah I know I'm right about this.
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Did you know that it is satanist teachings to say that satan was in the garden? cause their belief is that the snake was satan and he delivered us from an unjust mean knowledge greedy god.
I don't care what Satanist believe, I care what is written, and if its written .It was written in God's word first, don't compare anything that is written in the word of God as being a teaching from Satan or twisted people who make a living twisting the Bible..,. If Satan is in the garden it was written in the Words of God first, I don't care what group believes what.
your thoughts are leading you to believe, that real Biblical truths, such as Satan being in the Garden, is of Satan, and that is bad.


When in reality, it was just a snake, we did something that God told us not to do. The Fruit we ate opened our minds, instead of killing us, NOW WE ARE 6 bILLION STRONG AND growing,
that does not make good sense.
 
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What? So Satan is taking the limelight and all the hard work from a talking serpent? I think not. They're one and the same, my friend.
 
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actually the fact that the bible never said he is the serpent in the Garden of Eden, should prove to you that you believe things that are outside of the Bible, or assumed things from mans opinion not THE BIBLE.
 
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To give you a good idea what I am seeing when i read your two Threads you posted is this:


It looks like to me, that you took a bible, passed it through a paper shredder , took a hand full of its scraps, empties a bottle of pasty glue on the screen, and throw the scraps of verses at the screen. that's how these two Threads look to me.
 
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What? So Satan is taking the limelight and all the hard work from a talking serpent? I think not. They're one and the same, my friend.
If satan was controlling the snake and making it talk,WHY did God curse all snakes and take their arms and legs? that doesn't sound right. AND ALL THE SNAKES CHILDREN. why would God punish the snake if it wasn't his fault.

plus did you ever think that he was an intelligent being capable of speech because he was living in the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil which apparently opens your eyes and makes you WISE?

cause the bible does say all this, but it doesn't say the snake ate the fruit, but yet then again why would he be talking if he didn't eat it? and is not possessed by satan?
 
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actually the fact that the bible never said he is the serpent in the Garden of Eden, should prove to you that you believe things that are outside of the Bible, or assumed things from mans opinion not THE BIBLE.

If you can't , see, the scriptures I posted then that's your problem. Who ells is the Serpent. it is Satan's name. Satan is Serpent, its his name. Is that difficult ? Rev 12:9.
 
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To give you a good idea what I am seeing when i read your two Threads you posted is this:


It looks like to me, that you took a bible, passed it through a paper shredder , took a hand full of its scraps, empties a bottle of pasty glue on the screen, and throw the scraps of verses at the screen. that's how these two Threads look to me.
well I'm glad that you like to ignore my scraps of truth. I'm sure your one well on your way to spiritual enlightenment. lol

however, if you would like to know truth, all you must do is listen, behold Wisdom cries out at the gates of the city, will you listen to her cry?

I also notice how you never even attempted to answer any of my questions on this thread.


MY QUESTION IS…

WHAT ARE THE WHEELS SUPPOSED TO BE? Some type of vehicle?
If not why do the angels have wheels?
Why do the angels rise up and down from the earth here in machines?
The book of Ezekiel eventually reveals that the creatures are called Cherubim.
Are the Cherubim physical beings like us and the Seraphim more spirit creatures?
This is the only good flesh description of Cherubim (a type of angel, not the only one) in the Bible.
There are other descriptions of these creatures by the Bible describing the cherubim on the top of the ark of the covenant, and also the two cherubim in the temple built by Solomon the Wise.
 
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If satan was controlling the snake and making it talk,WHY did God curse all snakes and take their arms and legs? that doesn't sound right. AND ALL THE SNAKES CHILDREN. why would God punish the snake if it wasn't his fault.

Who said anything about controlling a snake ?? I said quite plainly , THE SERPENT IS SATAN. >>Rev 12: 9 <<


plus did you ever think that he was an intelligent being capable of speech because he was living in the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil which apparently opens your eyes and makes you WISE?
I dont want to nknow

cause the bible does say all this, but it doesn't say the snake ate the fruit, but yet then again why would he be talking if he didn't eat it? and is not possessed by satan?
just stay focused on the scriptures. and that would be the best way to talk.
 
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Who said anything about controlling a snake ?? I said quite plainly , THE SERPENT IS SATAN. >>Rev 12: 9 <<




I dont want to nknow



just stay focused on the scriptures. and that would be the best way to talk.
I do stay focused on the Scriptures, that's what led me to these questions. and notice that he isn't called the serpent beast of the field who had its legs taken....

instead it says that ITS A DRAGON. you know that Old Serpent (dragon). cause satan is a dragon angel. NOT A CHERUBIM.
Afterall I included the Bible's only description of the Creature angel called a Cherubim Ezekiel 1 and 10
 
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I also notice how you never even attempted to answer any of my questions on this thread.
your kidding right? how about make things more concise.


MY QUESTION IS…

1 WHAT ARE THE WHEELS SUPPOSED TO BE? Some type of vehicle?
I have wisdom enough to know I can't talk about this with everyone .


2If not why do the angels have wheels?
But I'll give you this. because that's what it looked like to Ezekiel . Wheels not spinning along the side of a cart. but spinning up in the air, and I'll leave it at that.

3Why do the angels rise up and down from the earth here in machines?
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4 The book of Ezekiel eventually reveals that the creatures are called Cherubim.
a little lacking, but what can i do. I'm no teacher.

5 Are the Cherubim physical beings like us and the Seraphim more spirit creatures?
the living creatures are mentioned there, that is talking about something different, then cherubs. The living creatures are protectors of God and His thrown(Revelation 4:8 etc etc etc) . Not cherubs .. The living creatures, or Zoe, in the Greek, have no will of their own. Their job is to always protect the through and love God and nothing ells. The Zoe. or living creatures.(Revelation 5:14)


6 This is the only good flesh description of Cherubim (a type of angel, not the only one) in the Bible.
Never in God's word will you hear a man, or angel addressed as Cherub, so I don't know where you got that info from, but its not written in the Bible. Flesh should not even be in the same sentence when talking about cherubs or angels etc. so that got me confused.


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There are other descriptions of these creatures by the Bible describing the cherubim on the top of the ark of the covenant, and also the two cherubim in the temple built by Solomon the Wise.[/B]
The cherub pictured on top of the Ark of the Covenant , was Satan's roll before his fall, as a Ezekiel 28: so clearly states. He was the cherub that covereth, or protects.
 
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I do stay focused on the Scriptures, that's what led me to these questions. and notice that he isn't called the serpent beast of the field who had its legs taken....

instead it says that ITS A DRAGON. you know that Old Serpent (dragon). cause satan is a dragon angel. NOT A CHERUBIM.
Afterall I included the Bible's only description of the Creature angel called a Cherubim Ezekiel 1 and 10
Okay let me try to explain this part here you keep mentioning :

Gen 3:
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

This is a figure of speech. Figures of speech are lost to this generation .

First off, God does not speak to animals and curse them ... ugh..

"upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"--

This part here means, Satan, the serpent, is in a state of moral, degeneration. Morally low. Okay, that is the curse. That is what "dust shalt thou eat" means, when you are eating dust, you, cant get no lower then that. its means morally. When the animal , snake moves on the ground, it sticks its tongue out to sample the air around it, its how it smells, with its forked tongue. that is how low, Satan is.

Also. Have you ever heard of a Euphemism ? look it up. Because that is used throughout this chapter 3.


euphemism
noun

a mild or indirect word or expression substituted for one considered to be too harsh or blunt when referring to something unpleasant or embarrassing:
 
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Please go into what you think the wheels are here! afterall that is my question. don't you dare say that they are the four Gospels cause I will put you though it if you do.


4 The book of Ezekiel eventually reveals that the creatures are called Cherubim.




This is where the creatures are called cherubim;

20 This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims.

SEE THIS PROVES THAT THE LIVING CREATURES WERE CHERUBIM AND YOU ARE WRONG BY SAYING;

Bible. Never in God's word will you hear a man, or angel addressed as Cherub, so I don't know where you got that info from, but its not written in the Bible. Flesh should not even be in the same sentence when talking about cherubs or angels etc. so that got me confused.


the living creatures are mentioned there, that is talking about something different, then cherubs. The living creatures are protectors of God and His thrown(Revelation 4:8 etc etc etc) . Not cherubs .. The living creatures, or Zoe, in the Greek, have no will of their own. Their job is to always protect the through and love God and nothing ells. The Zoe. or living creatures.(Revelation 5:14)



This is where the wheels are called machines.

9 And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone. 10 And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel. 11 When they went, they went upon their four sides; they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went. 12 And their whole * body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes round about, even the wheels that they four had. 13 As for the wheels, * it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel (the phrase "O Wheel" in the septuagint is not o wheel but "GELGEL" which is what the wheels were called by the angels as ezekiel heard them calling the wheels."

16 And when the cherubims went, the wheels went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them. 17 When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, these lifted up themselves also: for the spirit * of the living creature was in them.
 
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To get a Description of a Cherub, read all of Ezekiel 28. and know its talking about a cherub. ( Satan )

they have a body, similar to us, but not like us at all. Supernatual powerful, might, beauty and wisdom, given directly from God. to protect.
 
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To get a Description of a Cherub, read all of Ezekiel 28. and know its talking about a cherub. ( Satan )

they have a body, similar to us, but not like us at all. Supernatual powerful, might, beauty and wisdom, given directly from God. to protect.
actually Ezekiel ch 1 and 2 are the best description of the Cherub angel creature. BUT Ezekiel talks about the one with the fiery burning sword in Genesis 3:24 not the snake who is just a snake just another beast of the field as the bible says, not satan.

sorry but you are wrong I proved it with a Bible verse living creatures in ch 1 are cherubim

Ezekiel 10:20

. 20 This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims. 21 Every one had four faces apiece, and every one four wings; and the likeness of the hands of a man was under their wings. 22 And the likeness of their faces was the same faces which I saw by the river of Chebar, their appearances and themselves: they went every one straight forward.
 
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Please go into what you think the wheels are here! afterall that is my question. don't you dare say that they are the four Gospels cause I will put you though it if you do.

I can go into what the wheels are ?..
I won't say they are the Gospels , because that is not written ,because Ezekiel is being too detailed in Ezekiel 1: .


4 The book of Ezekiel eventually reveals that the creatures are called Cherubim.

SEE THIS PROVES THAT THE LIVING CREATURES WERE CHERUBIM AND YOU ARE WRONG BY SAYING;
please , your rushing, and it makes it hard to correct all this stuff...



I will go into a little, of Ezekiel 1:..??