Christianity, the most offensive, confusing, violent, hypocritical, faith of all.

[ember]

well I don't really agree with the op in how he presented it...as I reflected in my response a long long time ago on page one

reading through the posts following, after supper, I became increasingly

I won't bore you with my observations...well that, and I don't want to paint an X on my forehead for all you sharpshooters

OK...well I'll just put my head out from behind the big rock a little bit.......I actually do not think the OP is slandering Christianity and some of the responses are over the top to the point of...being silly...now ducking behind the rock

From the crusades to anti semitisim Christianity is by far the hardest religion to understand.

the quote above shows a dire lack of historicity and lines like: the body of Christ needs Christ more than ever before
demonstrate that someone has been listening to preachers who like to wind people up emotionally and then pass the basket.

I used to think how wonderful it must have been to be living in biblical times and then it dawned on me that much of the NT was written to counteract error.

This is not a fresh new message from God that we are reading here..obviously not...and frankly I don't think the op needs a hero but I don't think he needs a stoning either.

Compared to many of you, I am relatively new on here, but you get a feel for a place quick enough especially when you are used to participating in Christian forums...and this one is a bit refreshing in some ways...I prefer more rather then less members

So I'm not telling anyone what to do, but it seems sides have been taken and honestly? I don't think the op has the value to warrant such accusations as have been slung, hinted at, jabbed and carefully pruned so as to appear wise

I find this type of so called 'message' to have little or no value because it is emotional and really does not contain any one biblical truth as presented in scripture, but rather emotional one liners that are anything but accurate

Again, I don't think the op is troll or means harm...I do disagree however but not for most of the reasons presented by other posters

 

[sltaylor]

Actually it doesn't. It was the name first given to those who worshiped Christ in Antioch. But we must distinguish TRUE Christianity (those who have truly committed themselves to Christ and truly seek to follow the teachings of Christ - the minority) from nominal Christianity (those who are culturally 'Christians' because it is their culture who often don't really care about the teachings of Jesus Christ). The latter are not really a part of true Christianity at all.




An absurd statement. The whole of the pre-Christian world was full of continuing atrocities, all carried out in the name of religion. Islam was established at the point of the sword, and has been so maintained ever since. In contrast Christianity was established by peace loving testimony to Christ for 300 years. It only became partly bastardised as a consequence of the interference of the Roman emperors which made 'being a Christian' a road to political power. That was not true Christianity..



Excuse me while I finish priming this bomb (not really). Come on all of you. Admit that you spend most of your time bombing abortion clinics. Its surprising there are any left. (Actually I wouldn't know how to prime a bomb, but never mind).

Of course some may feel that it is only a few fanatics who bomb abortion clinics. They may even claim they have never thought of doing it. Some may even claim that they see it as wrong and repudiate those who do it. You never know. The thing is, can we believe them? Turn out your pockets everyone. Bomb check!!!!



I was not aware that anyone was fighting ISIS in the name of Christ. I thought our governments were assisting those who did not want to be beheaded so that they could preserve their lives, and were doing it in the name of morality. (They include Muslims, Christians, large numbers of humanists, and so on).

Although why anyone should want to hurt those nice ISIS people just because their hobby is collecting peoples' heads I cannot think.



At least initially the aim was to defend those who were being slaughtered because they were Christians. Although it is true that most who were later involved in the crusades (with exceptions) were simply using them as an excuse to gain power and wealth. Religion was their excuse. And who were they fighting? Muslims who had taken over the land by force. They too had made religion an excuse to gain power and wealth. So who were most guilty?



Anti-Semitism is inexcusable (as is anti-anyone who is not belligerent). But most religions were anti-Semitic, especially in less tolerant days. (And vice-versa). Sadly we live in a fallen world. But I suspect that most on here are more pro-Semitic than anti-Semitic.



Its easy really. At the heart are those who have repented of sin and come to Jesus Christ to save them. They are being made more Christ-like day by day. But the vast majority do not truly follow Christ. They therefore live by the world's standards. That is what we would expect. It is not real Christianity. It is a sham.




I am not quite sure what this sentence means, but your sentiment here is correct. I think we all agree with you where the violence is unjustified.



Fortunately Christ is still at work and His efforts are not null and void. Truth has always had to combat hypocrisy.



But outward Christianity is NOT the body of Christ. The body of Christ is only composed of those who are truly HIS. A motley lot I agree, but that is why we need Christ. The early church were by heir own admission a sinful lot. How did they need Christ less than us?



We can all agree on that But I am not responsible for the sins of others (apart from a need to help my brothers and sisters in any way I can).



Well if you have left your first love, you certainly must return to it. But who are you to judge your brothers and sisters in Christ?



A danger for us all. But who do you refer to as 'we'? Are you in any positions to say what WE are?



Which is why Jesus proclaimed it, and calls on us to proclaim it too. But MOST IMPORTANT is that we proclaim God's saving love.



But they were not doing what God asked when they neglected their son. Thereby Joseph and Mary SINNED. The goodness revealed in the aim of the enterprise, was countered by the sin committed in completing it. This is something we must all be aware of.



we can all say Amen to that.

Yeah he kinda lost me at the first sentence. Christian is derived from this: the Roman suffix ianus was given to slaves and the slaves name became the owners name followed by the suffix ianus, showing who owned them, so when Paul was traveling through Antioch and was calling himself and the believers a slave to Christ, he was saying Christianus, showing he was a slave to the one who had bought him, from which our word Christian has came from, Christianus...

 

[Yonah]

Well Christians are certainly not perfect but what would you suggest as better? Islam? The government? One of the Eastern religions? There must be something which the OP sees as better?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Jer. 6:16 seems many will chose to follow men rather then the one who made us...

 

[JFSurvivor]

Christianity, the word derives from to be christ like has been the most offensive religion the world has ever known. From bombing abortion clinics, to taking up arms to fight isis in the name of Christ. From the crusades to anti semitisim Christianity is by far the hardest religion to understand. I am a christian and though I take no part in any of the above I ask God to forgive those that do, regardless of what is true and holy saints these are our roots. No wonder our effects on this world are becoming null and void. Not that we should ever give up but the body of Christ needs Christ more than ever before. If we were given the privilege of the great commission, to have stewardship untill the master comes back then we need to repent and ask forgiveness. We need to return to our first love and stop fighting among ourselves. We have become to arrogant, shallow, but most importantly we do not love as we should. Love is the most powerful message we could ever send to this fallen world. I think one of the most important stories in the bible is when Mary, Joseph, and Jesus went to the temple and they lost Jesus......ya see even though they were doing what God had asked and what was good ...their eyes were off Jesus.

Saints let us pray without ceasing for the body of Christ. Peace

OK I wanna highlight a few things here.

I understood this as if Christians are meant to be Christ-like then why are we doing all these things? The only one I don't understand is the one about fighting isis. I think that one actually could be a good thing.

Our efforts are null because we look like hypocrites!

We shouldn't get all sad about what's going on. We need to do something about it as God's people. We need to stop fighting for the wrong causes and just love this broken world.

Mary and Joseph were following religious practice but they took their eyes off Jesus so they lost him because the religious practice became more important in their eyes than Jesus.

Does this make sense now?

 

[JFSurvivor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY

 

[sltaylor]

Yeah he kinda lost me at the first sentence. Christian is derived from this: the Roman suffix ianus was given to slaves and the slaves name became the owners name followed by the suffix ianus, showing who owned them, so when Paul was traveling through Antioch and was calling himself and the believers a slave to Christ, he was saying Christianus, showing he was a slave to the one who had bought him, from which our word Christian has came from, Christianus...

Correction, that is a greek suffix, ianos or ianus, showing possession, not roman, sorry all

 

[JustAnotherUser]

Yes, let us love those who take part of ISIS as they kill off anyone who is not a 'true Muslim' in existence.





How pathetic.

 

[atwhatcost]

Yes abortion is bad. Exscuse me, I mean MURDER is bad just like bombing abortion clinics which ultimatly results in DEATH! If you want to protest abortion go pray outside a clinic.

Jesus is more than politics. Jesus is more than looking at us and our flaws. He looks at us and says "that's my child" so why do most Christians, if we are children of God with a perfect parent, act like spoild brats?

Might want to learn the history. Since I'm American (as you and bondservant are), I only know the American statistics. 41 bombings with one person killed, (which was why I suggested fire was better. He could have time to run out, once he realized he couldn't stop the fire.) The propaganda machine is the reason you think the bombings were all murders. Most of the bombings were done at night, so no one was there. (The criminal that killed a man killed a guard. And, do understand, I do get bombing or torching clinics is criminal, but there does come a time when that's acceptable.)

And, the propaganda machine really has you hooked. Sure, we can still protest abortion clinics -- 500 yards away, i.e. a few blocks away. That's the only illegal protest now, including riots.

You're right? Why do Christians act like spoiled children? Ask the guy who is so glad he's not like those who would stop Muslims from taking over the Holy Land and Europe, who is glad he's not like people fighting for the unborn, and who is glad he's not one of those fools out to stop ISIS, but hey, he has a big heart because he'll forgive those people. Why aren't you angry that he thinks he is so above other brothers, because he's a pacifist instead of thinking sometimes Jesus does tell us to fight the good cause?

 

[atwhatcost]

OK I wanna highlight a few things here.

I understood this as if Christians are meant to be Christ-like then why are we doing all these things? The only one I don't understand is the one about fighting isis. I think that one actually could be a good thing.

To protect Christ church and to say lives. Why is that so hard? (The anti-semitic I don't understand. I don't know a single Christian like that. I don't even know any non-Christians like that.)

 

[bondservant]

Saints, I wrote this post to see and show how Christians react to negative reports,your replys are your heart in the matters at hand. The post is to show how the world sees Christianity not me. I know what a true christian should act like and be doing. When the Lord raised up a prophet to speak to the nation of Israel the prophet was picked by God because he kept his heart pure before God,but the prophet also took the blame of the people as he saw them all to be one people the nation of Israel. They also went into bondage,captivity, etc. Even though they held true to their calling. I am not a prophet but just another brother concerned for the body of Christ. I see these scripture wars in the forums and the name calling and it just grieves the holy spirit so. I do feel the love as I am referred to as satan, pathetic, misinformed, blasphemy, roast in hell was a love note that got warm and fuzzy over. As for my post there is a army of people saying they are Christians who have gone to fight against isis it was on the world news sometime back. Abortion and the clinics should never be, I kinda dated my self there. So let's protest soldiers funerals, or predict the return of Christ on national news and make a fool out of a whole congregation. My point was to show you how the world sees Christianity but also to prove that even in this room there are many that lack. All that I posted has been done in the name of God. The christian God. We know the difference but they don't. So seek the Lord and have him guide you in how to show the love of him to one that is lost. Now to a dress some scripture err. To the ones who said we should pick up arms to fight persecution, please show me that scripture. To the ones that say we have God's blessing to hurt or destroy property because it is against God...saint need the scripture so I can update mine. To hate your enemy... need the update. It's all posted on the replys, I hold no grudge not angry, hurt for Christ sake we all need much prayer saints.

 

[Blain]

I actually have to agree with the op, there is a reason Christians are a joke to the world, we are hypocrites we speak of love yet are anything but and the bible discussion forum is the perfect example. We attack and condemn each other for starters and we are judgmental, I have seen ppl who aren't saved show more love in their hearts than the average Christian and I say this with a heavy heart. The church has lost it's way and so the bodies affect on the world is less than lacking. Anyone can claim to be a Christian they can know all the scripture in the world they can do all the kindness and good deeds but the mark of a true Christian is love and this seems to be very scarce. as Jesus said in those days love would wax cold.

 

[crossnote]

Perfect people all over the CC community continually testing, belittling and batting at the rest of us ill informed ones. Zzzzzzz.

 

[JustAnotherUser]

Perfect people all over the CC community continually testing, belittling and batting at the rest of us ill informed ones. Zzzzzzz.

My conviction's giving me a migraine for sure...

 

[A_Friend_In_Christ]

If Christians are so bad, why do they keep coming here? What do they gain from it?

 

[atwhatcost]

To the ones that say we have God's blessing to hurt or destroy property because it is against God...saint need the scripture so I can update mine.

Joshua 6

(If that's not in your Bible, get your money back. )

 

[atwhatcost]

BTW, I'm not so isolated as to have no idea what is happening in the world, or what non believers think of us.

 

[atwhatcost]

Saints, I wrote this post to see and show how Christians react to negative reports,your replys are your heart in the matters at hand. The post is to show how the world sees Christianity not me. I know what a true christian should act like and be doing. When the Lord raised up a prophet to speak to the nation of Israel the prophet was picked by God because he kept his heart pure before God,but the prophet also took the blame of the people as he saw them all to be one people the nation of Israel. They also went into bondage,captivity, etc. Even though they held true to their calling. I am not a prophet but just another brother concerned for the body of Christ. I see these scripture wars in the forums and the name calling and it just grieves the holy spirit so. I do feel the love as I am referred to as satan, pathetic, misinformed, blasphemy, roast in hell was a love note that got warm and fuzzy over. As for my post there is a army of people saying they are Christians who have gone to fight against isis it was on the world news sometime back. Abortion and the clinics should never be, I kinda dated my self there. So let's protest soldiers funerals, or predict the return of Christ on national news and make a fool out of a whole congregation. My point was to show you how the world sees Christianity but also to prove that even in this room there are many that lack. All that I posted has been done in the name of God. The christian God. We know the difference but they don't. So seek the Lord and have him guide you in how to show the love of him to one that is lost. Now to a dress some scripture err. To the ones who said we should pick up arms to fight persecution, please show me that scripture. To the ones that say we have God's blessing to hurt or destroy property because it is against God...saint need the scripture so I can update mine. To hate your enemy... need the update. It's all posted on the replys, I hold no grudge not angry, hurt for Christ sake we all need much prayer saints.

Here's a couple of questions for you -- what do you make of those who agreed with your first post? The responses ran the complete gambit. So are you really sure "We know the difference but they don't"?

 

[atwhatcost]

I actually have to agree with the op, there is a reason Christians are a joke to the world, we are hypocrites we speak of love yet are anything but and the bible discussion forum is the perfect example. We attack and condemn each other for starters and we are judgmental, I have seen ppl who aren't saved show more love in their hearts than the average Christian and I say this with a heavy heart. The church has lost it's way and so the bodies affect on the world is less than lacking. Anyone can claim to be a Christian they can know all the scripture in the world they can do all the kindness and good deeds but the mark of a true Christian is love and this seems to be very scarce. as Jesus said in those days love would wax cold.

You might want to check out the Bible some more. Love isn't the only characteristic of Christians, anymore than it's the only characteristic of God.

 

[JosiahUntoTheChrist]

There is a fundamental difference between those that profess faith in Christ and those that understand the King Jesus the Christ of the bible, that he stood for peace, turning the other cheek and being martyred for following him. So this argument is dead. The Quran (if you've read it) propogates murder of infidels (jews, christians and athiests) Mohammad was for murder, Jesus was for sacrifice. Please study and understand. Goodnight.

 

[atwhatcost]

There is a fundamental difference between those that profess faith in Christ and those that understand the King Jesus the Christ of the bible, that he stood for peace, turning the other cheek and being martyred for following him. So this argument is dead. The Quran (if you've read it) propogates murder of infidels (jews, christians and athiests) Mohammad was for murder, Jesus was for sacrifice. Please study and understand. Goodnight.

Did someone make a condensed version of the Bible that skips that whole troublesome OT, Jesus bad mouthing the Pharisees and the Sadducees, AND that scene at the temple?