Christians and Politics

[shrume]

Nothing happens by chance with God. This is a fact.

Do you believe everything that happens on this earth is the will of God?

I don't. I would go so far as to say that very little of what happens on this earth is according to God's will.

Based on what the scriptures say, yes, I believe that God is responsible for putting all leaders into power. A more descriptive and accurate term may be 'allows'

Have you ever read this?

Hosea 8:
4) They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.

How do you square that with your belief that God is responsible for putting all leaders into power?

Personally, I can't see how the monsters that you listed benefitted anyone

Exactly.

but God had a reason for doing so or He would not have appointed these people.

He didn't. Many wicked leaders come into power by taking it.

It says in the book of John that God is love, so yes again, it has to ultimately be for His glory and benefits those that He loves.

Please use your mind, reason, and common sense. It's true that God is love. Every good and perfect gift comes from Him. God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. How does Kim Jong Un benefit ANYONE except himself and his evil cohorts? Christians are imprisoned and killed in his country, even the members of their families, and extended families. Most people there are malnourished. They are told what to think, and any dissent is severely punished. Kim Jong Un is a godless man running a godless country, and people who live there suffer greatly because of it.

Romans 13.1
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

1 Peter 2:13-17
For the Lord's sake, submit to all human authority, whether the king as head of state, or the officials He has appointed.

I believe those verses are to be understood differently than a surface reading might suggest. Society needs order, whether you live in a Kingdom, a republic, a democracy, or whatever. Those different systems are different ways of ordering society. Any of them can be godly, or godless. Generally, when people obey the government, whether godly or godless, life goes better for them, and society functions better.

I do not believe those verses should be understood that God is responsible for placing wicked people into power.

 

[tourist]

Do you believe everything that happens on this earth is the will of God?

I don't. I would go so far as to say that very little of what happens on this earth is according to God's will.


Have you ever read this?

Hosea 8:
4) They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.

How do you square that with your belief that God is responsible for putting all leaders into power?


Exactly.


He didn't. Many wicked leaders come into power by taking it.


Please use your mind, reason, and common sense. It's true that God is love. Every good and perfect gift comes from Him. God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. How does Kim Jong Un benefit ANYONE except himself and his evil cohorts? Christians are imprisoned and killed in his country, even the members of their families, and extended families. Most people there are malnourished. They are told what to think, and any dissent is severely punished. Kim Jong Un is a godless man running a godless country, and people who live there suffer greatly because of it.


I believe those verses are to be understood differently than a surface reading might suggest. Society needs order, whether you live in a Kingdom, a republic, a democracy, or whatever. Those different systems are different ways of ordering society. Any of them can be godly, or godless. Generally, when people obey the government, whether godly or godless, life goes better for them, and society functions better.

I do not believe those verses should be understood that God is responsible for placing wicked people into power.

I don't say that God appoints all those in power, I'm just telling you with what God says. If God will allows something to happen that does not mean that God is always pleased to allow things to happen, especially bad things to good people. God is either in charge of the universe or He's not. If God is in charge then yes, He allows all things to happen, He also prevents a lot of things from happening too. Nothing can happen in this world without God's explicit permission whether it's good or bad.

 

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I firmly believe that nothing happening is by accident nor because any human being has that much power to be in charge. God is still in charge. Does God want bad things to happen? I don't believe so. Do bad things happen? Yes and perhaps God who is all powerful could stop them, that doesn't mean He will.

God uses every action on earth for His purposes. God is still in control. Man will surely find that out one day; sooner than we might think.

 

[star]

Just a simple question, however, maybe not a simple answer.

Can a true Christian consciously vote democrat and be square with God, considering all the immoral and unscriptural viewpoints that the modern day democrats attach themselves to. For example, how can a Christian pull the lever for a democrat when their position has been overwhelmingly for abortion, or gay marriage? These are just a few I can think of off the top of my head. Does anyone have an opinion about this subject? Does it really matter or does God hold us responsible for siding with the wrong crowd? If I vote someone into a position and they pass unscriptural laws, am I just as guilty as if I did the act?

My thoughts about politics and Christians:

We should feel it a privilege to live in a nation that has a democratic election system like no other. We should also feel the need to help choose our leaders, no matter which party one belongs to. That's our part in being a citizen.

As Christians, we should vote according to our conscience in relation to what God deems is righteous. No one should vote without seeking God's guidance and His will.

There are good leaders and there are bad leaders. While I belong to a party, I do consider the person being voted for first.

I consider politics as a civic duty and as a Christian duty to help elect leaders who reflect as much as possible what God considers to be right for humanity.

 

[Billyd]

IMHO, If we want a Christian nation, we need to lead more people to Christ.

 

[shrume]

I don't say that God appoints all those in power, I'm just telling you with what God says. If God will allows something to happen that does not mean that God is always pleased to allow things to happen, especially bad things to good people. God is either in charge of the universe or He's not. If God is in charge then yes, He allows all things to happen, He also prevents a lot of things from happening too. Nothing can happen in this world without God's explicit permission whether it's good or bad.

I do not agree. If God gave explicit permission for the terrorists to fly those planes into the World Trade Center towers, then He is complicit. If God gave explicit permission for that lunatic to murder all those kids at Sandy Hook, then He is complicit. The same is true for any catastrophe or heinous event, or anything that is against His will, for that matter.

If I decide to steal a candy bar from the local convenience store, God does not explicitly grant permission for me to do so. His explicit command is that I NOT steal the candy bar. But I can disobey Him, if I so choose.

The Bible says the devil is the god of this age (2 Cor 4:4). It says the whole world is under the control of the evil one (1 John 5:19). It says the power and glory of the kingdoms of the world were delivered to Satan (Luke 4:5-6). People are oppressed by the devil, not God, and not because God grants explicit permission to the devil to do so (Acts 10:38).

Jesus Christ will return one day and take control of this world back from the devil, but until that happens, we're living in a war zone.

 

[tourist]

I do not agree. If God gave explicit permission for the terrorists to fly those planes into the World Trade Center towers, then He is complicit. If God gave explicit permission for that lunatic to murder all those kids at Sandy Hook, then He is complicit. The same is true for any catastrophe or heinous event, or anything that is against His will, for that matter.

If I decide to steal a candy bar from the local convenience store, God does not explicitly grant permission for me to do so. His explicit command is that I NOT steal the candy bar. But I can disobey Him, if I so choose.

The Bible says the devil is the god of this age (2 Cor 4:4). It says the whole world is under the control of the evil one (1 John 5:19). It says the power and glory of the kingdoms of the world were delivered to Satan (Luke 4:5-6). People are oppressed by the devil, not God, and not because God grants explicit permission to the devil to do so (Acts 10:38).

Jesus Christ will return one day and take control of this world back from the devil, but until that happens, we're living in a war zone.

God allowed the terrorist to fly into the Twin Towers. He certainly could have stopped it if He choose to do so. It didn't happen without Him knowing about it. He gave Satan permission to test Job too. God is not complicit in any of what you described. He certainly did not aid and abet. God allows certain things to happen. I'm just pointing out what the bible has stated. If you want to question God about these matters please feel free to do so. After all, in the book of Isiah God says "Come now, and let us reason together...".

 

[Angela53510]

I'm Canadian, so I vote Conservative. The Liberals, under Trudeau, are destroying our country on every level. Trudeau is a "world leader" on fighting for gender equity and diversity, walks in all the Pride parades. He even tried his best to convince the chairman of the Communist Party of China they needed to up their game on securing LBGTQ rights for people. He was shown the door, which he should have been!

Assisted dying, including a media which daily prints examples of "poor"people who are encountered bureaucracy in their quest for fast and immediate assisted death is a big cause in this goverment. Oh, and legalizing pot is being fast tracked. Hence the huge number of people who voted for this drama teacher.

Economically, Trudeau has driven our country far into debt, just like his hated father. Just for fun, he is having an outdoor rink built that he can see from his office, which will be up for 26 days. Cost = $5.6 million!! You could build a pretty nice permanent rink in any small town in Canada for that. Or, it would make a good start on bringing clean water to many northern and/or native communities.

Nope, I cannot vote in the US. But it does seem Trump is fulfilling his promises. I doubt I would have voted for either party, if I was American.

 

[jaybird88]

Just a simple question, however, maybe not a simple answer.

Can a true Christian consciously vote democrat and be square with God, considering all the immoral and unscriptural viewpoints that the modern day democrats attach themselves to. For example, how can a Christian pull the lever for a democrat when their position has been overwhelmingly for abortion, or gay marriage? These are just a few I can think of off the top of my head. Does anyone have an opinion about this subject? Does it really matter or does God hold us responsible for siding with the wrong crowd? If I vote someone into a position and they pass unscriptural laws, am I just as guilty as if I did the act?

do you seriously believe the republicans have never been involved in any wrong doing? both sides are supported by the same people, neither side will ever undo the actions of the last party, both sides lie every time they open their mouth.

 

[jaybird88]

If you put all the politicians in the world in a big sack and start beating on it with a 2x4 you'll get the right one every time...

best politician joke i have heard in a while. cant wait to tell this at work tomorrow.

 

[Donmech]

do you seriously believe the republicans have never been involved in any wrong doing? both sides are supported by the same people, neither side will ever undo the actions of the last party, both sides lie every time they open their mouth.

I 100% agree that both sides have their share of wrong doing, however, for the most part Democratic politicians unashamedly stand for issues which are polar-opposite of where a Christian should be. That being said, and regardless of whether red or blue, if I vote along side a politician who has no moral compass regarding issues that with-out question are immoral,(abortion, gay marriage, taking prayer out of schools and public office ect...) does that put me in a position which is conflicting to the teachings found in scripture? Shouldn't a Christian be more thoughtful than just; "well mommer-n-them always voted this way or that way"? I believe if we do decide to vote we should carefully consider what are the issues and do they conflict with God's word.

 

[tourist]

I 100% agree that both sides have their share of wrong doing, however, for the most part Democratic politicians unashamedly stand for issues which are polar-opposite of where a Christian should be. That being said, and regardless of whether red or blue, if I vote along side a politician who has no moral compass regarding issues that with-out question are immoral,(abortion, gay marriage, taking prayer out of schools and public office ect...) does that put me in a position which is conflicting to the teachings found in scripture? Shouldn't a Christian be more thoughtful than just; "well mommer-n-them always voted this way or that way"? I believe if we do decide to vote we should carefully consider what are the issues and do they conflict with God's word.

The base of the Democrat party is all of the lunatic fringe groups. They really don't care about the people themselves but only the power and control they have over them. It's worked in the past but now the common people are getting fed up with this nonsense and are demanding real positive change. The Democrats need to come up with a new game plan or their power and control will continue to erode.

 

[jaybird88]

I 100% agree that both sides have their share of wrong doing, however, for the most part Democratic politicians unashamedly stand for issues which are polar-opposite of where a Christian should be. That being said, and regardless of whether red or blue, if I vote along side a politician who has no moral compass regarding issues that with-out question are immoral,(abortion, gay marriage, taking prayer out of schools and public office ect...) does that put me in a position which is conflicting to the teachings found in scripture? Shouldn't a Christian be more thoughtful than just; "well mommer-n-them always voted this way or that way"? I believe if we do decide to vote we should carefully consider what are the issues and do they conflict with God's word.

with respect both parties are conning you and your falling for it hook line and sinker. i heard all my life that us working folks have to vote democrat then i go to church and the preacher says we got to vote republican, i look around church and its all working folks, something dont smell right because all your working folks are almost always gonna be church folks. now do you see how the game works?

 

[Ellsworth1943]

God is always in charge, BUT, sometimes he steps aside and says "Have it your way".
He did that with Israel many times. I believe He has done so with the US at this time.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Democrats need to come up with a new game plan or their power and control will continue to erode.

Their new game plan is to transform the USA into a Communist/Fascist country, and take away all the constitutional safeguards against that. They have decided that they will undermine and "resist" Trump, but in reality they are promoting lies and anarchy day after day, with the mainstream media doing their bidding. The money behind all these so-called "protesters" is coming from the likes of George Soros and other billionaires, who benefited greatly from democracy and free enterprise but -- being controlled by Satan -- they are out to destroy the Western world, particularly America.

 

[star]

God is always in charge, BUT, sometimes he steps aside and says "Have it your way".
He did that with Israel many times. I believe He has done so with the US at this time.

Yes, He has and I agree that God often "steps aside" because I know He has done so for me in order that I could see that "my way" was the wrong way.