CHRISTMAS: SHOULD IT BE CELEBRATED OR REJECTED? YOU DECIDE
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This had to do with making objects of wood for worship. When I see a Christmas tree, it represents Christ to me, for he was nailed to the cross made of a tree. We don't worship a tree. Ozell, your use of scripture is what I call Script-torture. You are taking something out of context and something what was a problem back then, and applying it to suit your spiritual gain or pious status among your ceremonial and levitical law keeping friends.
I really don't like Christmas for what it has become because Christ as been forgotten in it and the materialism. Nonetheless, I will seek ways to take a situation or holiday that has been degraded and seek an opportunity to glorify my Lord in it.
I really don't like Christmas for what it has become because Christ as been forgotten in it and the materialism. Nonetheless, I will seek ways to take a situation or holiday that has been degraded and seek an opportunity to glorify my Lord in it.
Were you to have already read the Word regarding Paul's teaching I would do exactly that, but you are commenting and claiming to teach on his writings without having the slightest idea as to what he has given us in the wisdom of the Holy Spirit.
No, you are introducing more paganism than you claim you are against in this room of beloved followers of Yeshua, Jesus. Are you here to cause doubts?
You see I do not trust the arm of flesh, as taught by Yahweh, God. Now if you wish you may look up the teaching, but do not ask believers to do your bidding.
Satan challenged our blessed Yeshua, Jesus, by His example, I will not accept any of your temptations to pride.
No, you are introducing more paganism than you claim you are against in this room of beloved followers of Yeshua, Jesus. Are you here to cause doubts?
You see I do not trust the arm of flesh, as taught by Yahweh, God. Now if you wish you may look up the teaching, but do not ask believers to do your bidding.
Satan challenged our blessed Yeshua, Jesus, by His example, I will not accept any of your temptations to pride.
Jesus reminds you of a as tree?
Wow!
Where does it say that you worship a tree in the verses ?
You acknowledge that it is Xmas in our day
Why can't you understand what it says in the second verses The Lord told you not to learn the ways
Let me add that you get down on your knees to open a present under that tree it is the same as you getting down on your knees praying to Jesus what the difference? You said the tree represents Jesus.
Go back a read the chapter!
Wow!
Where does it say that you worship a tree in the verses ?
You acknowledge that it is Xmas in our day
Why can't you understand what it says in the second verses The Lord told you not to learn the ways
Let me add that you get down on your knees to open a present under that tree it is the same as you getting down on your knees praying to Jesus what the difference? You said the tree represents Jesus.
Go back a read the chapter!
It is evident you have answered to me, yet not read what I have posted.
The fact is, what you or I post is not important unless it is passing on the teachings from the Word.
I know exactly what is taught on individuals having the freedom to hold one day over another in the sight of Yahweh.
It seems your campaign here is to make everyone aware of pagan rites.
Do you not comprehend if people are holding a day holy to Yahweh, God, it has nothing whatsoever to do with what any paganist may practice? Think! Think!
The fact is, what you or I post is not important unless it is passing on the teachings from the Word.
I know exactly what is taught on individuals having the freedom to hold one day over another in the sight of Yahweh.
It seems your campaign here is to make everyone aware of pagan rites.
Do you not comprehend if people are holding a day holy to Yahweh, God, it has nothing whatsoever to do with what any paganist may practice? Think! Think!
Why are you ridiculing the righteous?
You claim to have read the Torah or the Old Testament, thus you would know the writing, "cursed be any man who is hanged on a tree." You do not, apparently.
This renders everything you say as being based on NOT knowing the Word at all.
Do not ridicule the family in Yeshua, Jesus, you will have to answer for it one Day.
You claim to have read the Torah or the Old Testament, thus you would know the writing, "cursed be any man who is hanged on a tree." You do not, apparently.
This renders everything you say as being based on NOT knowing the Word at all.
Do not ridicule the family in Yeshua, Jesus, you will have to answer for it one Day.
So exactly where did Christmas come from?
World Scope Encyclopedia (1960 vol.3) states, "Christmas, the festival observed by the Christian Church on the 25th day of December in commemoration of the birth of Jesus Christ. No certain knowledge of the birthday of Jesus Christ exists and its observance was not established until some time after the organization of the first churches. The 25th day of December was advocated by Julius 1, Bishop of Rome from 337 to 352, as the most suitable time to commemorate the birth of Christ.
The day was finally placed on December 25th, which made it possible for all nations to observe a festival of rejoicing that the shortest day of the year has passed. Moreover, the newly converted peoples found it convenient to get a kind of substitute for their original celebrations of the solstice".
The birth of Jesus the Christ was assigned the date of December 25th, because on this day, as the sun began its return to the northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra celebrated the dies natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the invincible sun)
World Scope Encyclopedia (1960 vol.3) states, "Christmas, the festival observed by the Christian Church on the 25th day of December in commemoration of the birth of Jesus Christ. No certain knowledge of the birthday of Jesus Christ exists and its observance was not established until some time after the organization of the first churches. The 25th day of December was advocated by Julius 1, Bishop of Rome from 337 to 352, as the most suitable time to commemorate the birth of Christ.
The day was finally placed on December 25th, which made it possible for all nations to observe a festival of rejoicing that the shortest day of the year has passed. Moreover, the newly converted peoples found it convenient to get a kind of substitute for their original celebrations of the solstice".
The birth of Jesus the Christ was assigned the date of December 25th, because on this day, as the sun began its return to the northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra celebrated the dies natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of the invincible sun)
I think that the celebrations we decide on when we celebrate our Lord should be carefully prayed about, and that it is right to question ourselves about it. All of the celebrations that the organized church has decided on has been man made, every one of the suggestions our God has made for days to celebrate has been tossed aside.
If we check scripture to help us decide, it sends us to Galatians. If we look at what that chapter says in light of what men of that day were talking about, it would mean that when it talks of the “Law of Moses” “works of the law” “circumcision” it is talking about the rules the Jews enacted for gentiles to join the church of that day. They had to ritually become a Jew. I think when we say Galatians means the feast days are wrong, we are going too far. We can worship without any rituals, but that does not say that we should choose our way and ignore God's. I think the God suggestions for celebration are better than the men designed suggestions.
For sure, the secular world has taken over our celebration of the birthday of Christ and made hash of it. Although it promotes ways of God, it also promotes debt, brings out family feuds, sorrow over lost families, suicides even. On the other hand, we must celebrate our God, if not with the feasts God said then we have to create a celebration like Christmas
If we check scripture to help us decide, it sends us to Galatians. If we look at what that chapter says in light of what men of that day were talking about, it would mean that when it talks of the “Law of Moses” “works of the law” “circumcision” it is talking about the rules the Jews enacted for gentiles to join the church of that day. They had to ritually become a Jew. I think when we say Galatians means the feast days are wrong, we are going too far. We can worship without any rituals, but that does not say that we should choose our way and ignore God's. I think the God suggestions for celebration are better than the men designed suggestions.
For sure, the secular world has taken over our celebration of the birthday of Christ and made hash of it. Although it promotes ways of God, it also promotes debt, brings out family feuds, sorrow over lost families, suicides even. On the other hand, we must celebrate our God, if not with the feasts God said then we have to create a celebration like Christmas
Not one person who loves Yeshua, Jesus, has any of what you post here in mind when they observe the birth of the Savior of all sinners who come to Him for forgiveness.
Frankly, it seems the quoted post is attempting to teach pagan ritual and pagan gods.
These teachings are more in the spirit of darkness, or of spreading doubt.
There have been several of the family posting here they are simply commemorating the birth of the Savior, and here you come along telling them they are not.
Do you see what is wrong here? A child sees it immediately. Not one element of the body of Yeshua, Christ, has any pagan ritual or god in mind when they celebrate Christmas. Open those peepers and see.
If it is your desire to inform people of what pagans used to do, why not find a pagan oriented forum. The folks here worship Yeshua, Jesus.
One thing I know for certain, the Birth of our Lord is defintely Scriptural, therefore celebrating it is glory to Yahweh, God. I observe and commemorate the Birth of our Lord, but there really is a lot of what goes on Christmas time that I do not agree with, but that is I, not you nor he or she nor they...............that is easy enough.
Frankly, it seems the quoted post is attempting to teach pagan ritual and pagan gods.
These teachings are more in the spirit of darkness, or of spreading doubt.
There have been several of the family posting here they are simply commemorating the birth of the Savior, and here you come along telling them they are not.
Do you see what is wrong here? A child sees it immediately. Not one element of the body of Yeshua, Christ, has any pagan ritual or god in mind when they celebrate Christmas. Open those peepers and see.
If it is your desire to inform people of what pagans used to do, why not find a pagan oriented forum. The folks here worship Yeshua, Jesus.
One thing I know for certain, the Birth of our Lord is defintely Scriptural, therefore celebrating it is glory to Yahweh, God. I observe and commemorate the Birth of our Lord, but there really is a lot of what goes on Christmas time that I do not agree with, but that is I, not you nor he or she nor they...............that is easy enough.
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This all has to do with worshiping other Gods, we don't worship the Christmas tree, we don't pray to it, we don't bow before it, we don't sing praised to it, we and assign deity to it. I'm sure there are many things of this world that you do that aren't sin, one of them is using the Internet! Some Christians can really take this to an extreme, like the Amish. No phones in houses, no cars, no jeans for woman, no make-up, must wear you hair a certain way, rules after rules after rules. The world already hates us, do you want put more division between us? If the would sees us as pious and self-righteous they aren't going to respect what we have to say about Jesus. Please, be concerned about this:
Colossians 3:23
Whatever you do, do your work heartily, as for the Lord rather than for men,
Colossians 3:17
Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.
1 Corinthians 10:31
So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.
Ephesians 6:7
Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men,
Colossians 3:23
Whatever you do, do your work heartily, as for the Lord rather than for men,
Colossians 3:17
Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.
1 Corinthians 10:31
So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.
Ephesians 6:7
Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men,
