CHRISTMAS: SHOULD IT BE CELEBRATED OR REJECTED? YOU DECIDE

ozell · Oct 31, 2012

Rejected?: personally, mostly, and I do hate all but the family companionship aspect of it.
Sinful?: only to those who really understand the situation with it.

Some people are "deceived" by it, but deceit is not guiltily chosen by the victim. Otherwise, it would not be "deceit" would it?

Yeshua died so that we might "discern", not "judge".
And Yeshua's example is not to judge, but if we do either because we "chose" to judge, or if it were to come automatically to us, that we judge righteously. If they do not know that they are sinning, they are not guilty. "Father, forgive them, they know not what they do." This is what it means to be under or not be under the law. And I hope this shows someone how that entire debate is errant on both sides.

If you know you are sinning, and do it, you are under the law.
If you don't know, and do it, you are not under the law.

We try first to teach our child. (Do not eat from that tree)
Then, we discipline. ("This is what it feels like to the other person", but no more than that.)

Christmas celebrators: They are forgiven according to what's in their heart, whether it be family, or wal-mart trampling, Santa Claus, or Yeshua.

Peace.

John 7:24 (KJV)
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

RickShafer · Oct 31, 2012

Jeremiah 10:3-9.
Of course it's talking about the christmas tree!
What does you think?

ozell · Oct 31, 2012

RickShafer said:

We will see on judgement day?

Exodus 20:3 (KJV)
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

The God Xmas has no place among Jesus servants

We will certainly see.

JaumeJ · Oct 31, 2012

RickShafer said:

Is this the reference??¿? Hello l'il bro'!
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

ozell · Oct 31, 2012

RickShafer said:

What about the ways and the customs of the nations

Jeremiah 10:1-3 (KJV)
Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: [2] Thus saith the Lord , Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. [3] For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

Learn them not

ozell · Oct 31, 2012

The bible record of the birth of Jesus doesn't give a date for his birth. Even Herod, the King of Judea, didn't know the date of Jesus birth; so how can we know it? The wise men (maybe 2 or 300), the bible didn't give a number, found the young child (not infant) in the house (not the manger). Well, so much for that fairy tale.

How do you and this world know when Jesus was born?

RickShafer · Oct 31, 2012

Did you know the "X" in christmas actually stands for christ?
It comes from the greek 'christos' for which the 'cha' sound is represented by an X.
So if you read the greek new testament(the original), the first letter you run across when it says 'christ' is "X".

RickShafer · Oct 31, 2012

JaumeJ said:

Yea, that's it.
Keep going, it reads till verse nine.
That's as much a prophecy to me about modern times as any literal in the old testament.
It is for this reason that I am personally offended by christmas trees.

RickShafer · Oct 31, 2012

ozell said:

Can't argue with you there Ozell; isn't it funny how God used such a modern thing as a christmas tree
to point them out - (the customs of the heathen).

loveme1 · Oct 31, 2012

RickShafer said:

This is where it becomes complicated.

If we go back to the "paganism" you will learn where the x comes from.

RickShafer · Oct 31, 2012

You'all know the significance of using an evergreen right?
Because it is the only tree to stay green(flourishing) during winter.
So this is a sort of smack at God. "We can be in bloom all year round";
"we don't need you to tell us". (So said the pagans to the creator)
And how men forgot God!!!

JaumeJ · Oct 31, 2012

ozell said:

There is an enormous difference in dedicating something to a false god and dedicating a tradition to honor the Living God. This is worthy of meditation for anyone who does not know it.

I do not decorate anything for Christmas, but I observe the Birth of our Savior as a personal commemoration. If I were to put up a decorated tree also, it would be to honor Him. He knows and He understands. He is our Master, learn from Him.

I was looking for the reference to harmless traditions or customs in the Word, to no avail. Anyone who knows this by context please give me the verses.

RickShafer · Oct 31, 2012

loveme1 said:

Please explain.

RickShafer · Oct 31, 2012

ozell said:

He was born at the feast of trumpets, .......sometime from late september to very early october(in our calender).

JaumeJ · Oct 31, 2012

RickShafer said:

The only thing that I find offensive is the lack of Yeshua, Jesus in much of the customs, but I cannot be offended by others believing they are honoring Him, this is tantamount to judging for me. But you know all of this..............

Something the Catalonian Catholics do here is Spain is definitely offensive, sacrilegious, and anything worse you can think of. They place a man relieving himself in their mangers, even to the degree of having contests for who does the representation best...........this is not a lie, not even an exaggeration, it is pathetic, but then they also torture all sorts of animals all over the country of Spain in their parrishes...............

RickShafer · Oct 31, 2012

JaumeJ said:

As far as harmless traditions go....... they all turned into harmful added laws.
The time in babylon created a mix-mash of pagan rituals with Jewish tradition.
This is where the Khabala came from.

RickShafer · Oct 31, 2012

JaumeJ said:

The only thing that I find offensive is the lack of Yeshua, Jesus in much of the customs, but I cannot be offended by others believing they are honoring Him, this is tantamount to judging for me. But you know all of this..............

Something the Catalonian Catholics do here is Spain is definitely offensive, sacrilegious, and anything worse you can think of. They place a man relieving himself in their mangers, even to the degree of having contests for who does the representation best...........this is not a lie, not even an exaggeration, it is pathetic, but then they also torture all sorts of animals all over the country of Spain in their parrishes...............

Wow!
Holy Smoke 'ey brother???

JaumeJ · Oct 31, 2012

RickShafer said:

It seems I read it in the New Testament, but I will keep that in until someone can show me. Otherwise I will watch for it next time through the NT. It will be a while this time, because I am t-r-u-d-g-i-n-g through the Word in Hebrew for the first time. Not 7 - 10 chapters as in English or Romance languages, 1 - 3 chapters a day. Slow going.

RickShafer · Oct 31, 2012

B.T.W. - The producers in hollywood are heavy into the khabala.
Isn't it amazing how the vain traditions that the same people who killed the Lord
are alive and well in hollywierd?

RickShafer · Oct 31, 2012

JaumeJ said:

C'mon Jack; if you read it then tell me!
Email if need be. I'm curious now.
Harmless vain traditions........
You have my attention now.
(I always thought all the extra law traditions were necessarily harmful.)

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