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Most of the main stream modern day churches have already fallen away. They no longer have Sunday night service, they no longer have altar calls, they refer to psychology rather than God, They provide other means to enter heaven rather than faith in Christ. They come up with one fad after another. Yes, the churches of America have already fallen, But thanks be to God not all of them. In reality they are nothing more than a social club, having a form of Godliness, but denying the power there of.
Matthew 16:18
"And i also say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock i will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
Will the church fall away. I highly doubt it because the church has been bought by Christ, maintained by Christs love and goodness and secured by Christ. The Church is not perfect, but it sure will not fall away.
"And i also say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock i will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
Will the church fall away. I highly doubt it because the church has been bought by Christ, maintained by Christs love and goodness and secured by Christ. The Church is not perfect, but it sure will not fall away.
Your above assessment about the "falling away," comes from 2 Thess.2:3, which is a miss-translation by KJV scribes, in 1,611 A.D. Review the following translation history of it below:
2 Thess.2:1-8: The precise timing of the rapture of the Church:
"Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the Day of the Lord [The 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation of Dan.9:27] has already come." 2 Thes.2:1-2. Which is a direct reference to 1 Thes.4:17 and the theme of Paul's entire pre-trib rapture message in 2 Thes.2:1-8. When we will be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. [Parenthetics mine].
The "Day of the Lord" Paul refers to in vs 2, alludes to Dan.9:27, when God will intervene into the affairs of man for the last time, culminating in the second coming of Jesus to the earth. In that passage of Scripture, the Day of the Lord is triggered by the "he" who "confirms a covenant [An agreement] for one Week" [The Day of the Lord/ 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation], who is the antichrist. The second, and same "he," who stops Israel from the offerings and sacrificing in the temple of God, and the third, and same "he," who breaks his covenant in the middle of the Week [After 3.5 of the 7 year total], and sets up the abomination of desolation Jesus referred to in Mt.24:15, in His Olivet Discourse, about the sign of His second coming, and of the end of the age.
In verse 3: "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that Day [The Day of the Lord, the 70th and final Week, the seven year tribulation] will not come, until the "apostasia" [Greek term in which the original translation was "to depart," or "departure," meaning, the rapture of the Church] occurs and the man of lawlessness [The antichrist, and all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27] is revealed [Who triggers the Day of the Lord/ the 70th and final Week/ the seven year tribulation], the man doomed to destruction." Which reveals the "apostasia" [Departure] will take place before the antichrist is revealed, who triggers the 70th Week/seven year tribulation. Confirmed in verses 7 and 8 below.
Translation History of apostasia and discessio: By Thomas Ice, PhD.
The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either " departure" or " departing." They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608) . This supports the notion that the word truly means " departure."In fact, Jerome' s Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of 325 A.D. renders apostasia with the " word discessio, meaning ' departure.' Why was the King James Version the first to depart from the established translation of "departure" in 1611 A.D.? [It is more than likely due to overzealous RCC scribes who altered the original wording of vs 3. to accommodate their teachings of Amillenialism, which rejects both the pre-trib rapture of the Church as well as Jesus Millennial reign her on earth].
Theodore Beza, the Swiss reformer was the first to transliterate apostasia and create a new word, rather than translate it as others had done. The translators of the King James Version were the first to introduce the new rendering of apostasia as " falling away." Most English translators have followed the KJV and Beza in departing from translating apostasia as " departure." No reason was ever given.
From: http://www.raptureready.com/featured...onians2_3.html
"He [The Antichrist] will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God." Vs 4. [The abomination of desolation, confirming Dan.9:27 and Mt.24:15]. See also 2 Thess.2:4.
The rapture of the Church and verse 3 confirmed:
In verse 7: "For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so until he [The saints - Church] is taken out of the way."
The "he" who will be taken out of the way, is the one body of Christ, who bear the Holy Spirit within each of us [Eph.1:13-14], the Church of Jesus Christ. The very same as those who will participate in the "apostasia," the "departure," [the rapture] of the Church, in vs 3. Immediately following that:
In vs 8: "And then the lawless one [The antichrist] will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor of His coming." Vs 8. [See Rev.19:17-21].
The antichrist is found in all three of the "he's" in Dan. 9:27, confirmed by Jesus in Mt.24:15; Mk.13:14 and by Paul, in 2 Thes.2:3, 4 and 8.
From the above Scriptural facts, there can be only one proper interpretation for the timing of the rapture of the Church, which will be immediately preceding the 70th and final/7 year tribulation, triggered by the antichrist, all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27. Seen also as the first of the four horsemen of the apocalypse, riding the white horse, in the first of the seven seals, in Rev.6:2. There is no "pre-wrath" or post-trib rapture taught in the Scriptures.
Other verses pertaining to the rapture of the Church: 1 Thes.1:10; 1 Thes.5:9; Rev.3:10 and Rev.4:1-2. Of the saints [Church] returning with Christ from their marriage in heaven, in Rev.19:7, 8 and 14; Jude 14 and Zech.14:4-5!
The difference between the Second Coming of Christ and the pre-trib rapture of the Church:
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice...eenTheRapt.pdf
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I hear you, but the lack of having an evening service does not fit into falling away....I think having more than 1 service fits falling away more so than not having an evening service....I know some churches that have 3 -4 morning services on Sunday AM. Now, if that is the result of a growth issue, I get that...If however, it is out of convenience for the seeker that you do 8, 10, 12 that is an issue...
After paying the price required, we starting experiencing the Spirit move mightily in our morning 1030 service, its the only Sun AM we do...we were not getting out of service until 1pm or 2pm and sometimes 3pm.....I am not about to ask them to come back at 5pm or 6pm for an evening service.... especially if needs were fully met and they need to marinate in reflection of that mornings Holy ghost manifestation.....
We also found that one of the major reasons we were seeing Sunday nights drop off during the school year was young parents getting their young kids to bed for school....The service started at 630PM and routinely we would get out at 8, 830....some people said they were not getting home until 9/930 and getting the kids to bed or if they feel asleep on the way home and get woken up and they are awake for awhile on a school night is a valid issue....Summertime was not an issue...our attendance actually grew on Sun nights....we backed up service to 5pm on Sunday nights during the school year..the attendance is the same we experience during the summer...Youth group was also changed from Wednesdays to Fri's after football season during the school year...
We also do a Saturday service at 5pm, because we minister in a area that is heavy in manufacturing jobs and most of folks ave to work one of the weekend days, either Sat or Sun, so we accommodate that....
Now I would agree that many stopped having Sunday night service for carnal reasons, but to paint everyone with that brush is not right...I would also suggest that the reason is more carnal than falling away...
I see certain big churches doing "experiences" now on Sat and Sun and their billboard looks like a movie theater showtime list...8,9,10,11, 2 , 4, 6 and 8 and they have local "worship" music and large screens to beam in the Lead pastor from the main "campus" or it might even be video taped....that is not church that is entertainment....the Spirit cannot move in a set up like that...because you are constantly moving peeps out and in....that to me, is more sign of falling away than a church like ours wee we decide week to week and depending on how the Spirit moves in the morning service if we come in that night....On Saturday, the Spirit really moves as well and we have no time table...we have dismissed as late at 10pm on Saturdays before...we paid a price for those kinds of services though....price on our knees and asking God to break our hearts for what breaks his...we have a format, and I might preach or teach or share something and other gifts to the body also share...it might be 3 hours of constant prayer....we let the Spirit take us where he wants us to, but everything is done decently and in order..
After paying the price required, we starting experiencing the Spirit move mightily in our morning 1030 service, its the only Sun AM we do...we were not getting out of service until 1pm or 2pm and sometimes 3pm.....I am not about to ask them to come back at 5pm or 6pm for an evening service.... especially if needs were fully met and they need to marinate in reflection of that mornings Holy ghost manifestation.....
We also found that one of the major reasons we were seeing Sunday nights drop off during the school year was young parents getting their young kids to bed for school....The service started at 630PM and routinely we would get out at 8, 830....some people said they were not getting home until 9/930 and getting the kids to bed or if they feel asleep on the way home and get woken up and they are awake for awhile on a school night is a valid issue....Summertime was not an issue...our attendance actually grew on Sun nights....we backed up service to 5pm on Sunday nights during the school year..the attendance is the same we experience during the summer...Youth group was also changed from Wednesdays to Fri's after football season during the school year...
We also do a Saturday service at 5pm, because we minister in a area that is heavy in manufacturing jobs and most of folks ave to work one of the weekend days, either Sat or Sun, so we accommodate that....
Now I would agree that many stopped having Sunday night service for carnal reasons, but to paint everyone with that brush is not right...I would also suggest that the reason is more carnal than falling away...
I see certain big churches doing "experiences" now on Sat and Sun and their billboard looks like a movie theater showtime list...8,9,10,11, 2 , 4, 6 and 8 and they have local "worship" music and large screens to beam in the Lead pastor from the main "campus" or it might even be video taped....that is not church that is entertainment....the Spirit cannot move in a set up like that...because you are constantly moving peeps out and in....that to me, is more sign of falling away than a church like ours wee we decide week to week and depending on how the Spirit moves in the morning service if we come in that night....On Saturday, the Spirit really moves as well and we have no time table...we have dismissed as late at 10pm on Saturdays before...we paid a price for those kinds of services though....price on our knees and asking God to break our hearts for what breaks his...we have a format, and I might preach or teach or share something and other gifts to the body also share...it might be 3 hours of constant prayer....we let the Spirit take us where he wants us to, but everything is done decently and in order..
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I Christianity the church?
Was there a denomination named the disciples?
Throughout the bible the church has been depicted as a woman, or the pure church a virgin. 2Corinthians:11:2: "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ." Ephesians:5:23-27: "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. "
Throughout the bible the church refers to Jews and Gentiles both. The seven churches of Asia in revelation are Gentiles, until Paul converted them.
The poetic book of song of Solomon is all about the church, or God's people. The pharisees were the leaders of God's church when Jesus came.
What I am getting at is that what really constitutes the church? Many are splitting hairs on this point just to prove fallacies. It is like the people who condemn other Christians for pronouncing Jesus Name incorrectly. The church is God's children, who were redeemed back to Him through conversion.
We read in the NT over and over where the church was considered those who were assembled in someone's house Like we read in Colossians:4:15: "Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house."
Or how about the church being the "body of Christ" found in Colossians:1:24: "Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:"
The church certainly will fall away, and has been since they lost their first love revelation 2:4. During the reformation they started to come back, because times were rough. The ONLY time faith in Christ grows is during times of persecution and adversity, never during prosperity! The churches of today might be flourishing monetarily, and overflowing with feelings of well being, but revelation tells of the churches condition today in Revelation:3:15-17: "I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:" During times of prosperity the church is in this condition, BUT, and this is HUGE! This church is spued out of the mouth of God. The ONLY way back to God is following the remedy for this condition found in Revelation:3:18: "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see." God's people desperately need the golden faith tried in the fire so we have the assurance of complete victory over all sin in our lives before Jesus comes, or we die. We need the righteousness, or the garments that will only cover CONFESSED sins one by one. Not future sins. The most important part of this remedy is to have the anointing of the Holy Ghost to guide us into all truth so we are not deceived, because Jesus Himself said that false Christs will come and IF POSSIBLE deceive the very elect. IF WE ARE NOT THE VERY ELECT WE WILL BE DECEIVED.
COMPARE THE CHURCH TODAY WITH THE FIRST APOSTOLIC CHURCH THAT TRULY CONVERTED 3000 PEOPLE IN ONE DAY! This is the church that Jesus is coming for. He is coming for believers who are united. The kind of unity Paul writes about in 1Corinthians:1:10: "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." Believe this: the truth is NOT popular.
Was there a denomination named the disciples?
Throughout the bible the church has been depicted as a woman, or the pure church a virgin. 2Corinthians:11:2: "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ." Ephesians:5:23-27: "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. "
Throughout the bible the church refers to Jews and Gentiles both. The seven churches of Asia in revelation are Gentiles, until Paul converted them.
The poetic book of song of Solomon is all about the church, or God's people. The pharisees were the leaders of God's church when Jesus came.
What I am getting at is that what really constitutes the church? Many are splitting hairs on this point just to prove fallacies. It is like the people who condemn other Christians for pronouncing Jesus Name incorrectly. The church is God's children, who were redeemed back to Him through conversion.
We read in the NT over and over where the church was considered those who were assembled in someone's house Like we read in Colossians:4:15: "Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house."
Or how about the church being the "body of Christ" found in Colossians:1:24: "Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:"
The church certainly will fall away, and has been since they lost their first love revelation 2:4. During the reformation they started to come back, because times were rough. The ONLY time faith in Christ grows is during times of persecution and adversity, never during prosperity! The churches of today might be flourishing monetarily, and overflowing with feelings of well being, but revelation tells of the churches condition today in Revelation:3:15-17: "I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:" During times of prosperity the church is in this condition, BUT, and this is HUGE! This church is spued out of the mouth of God. The ONLY way back to God is following the remedy for this condition found in Revelation:3:18: "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see." God's people desperately need the golden faith tried in the fire so we have the assurance of complete victory over all sin in our lives before Jesus comes, or we die. We need the righteousness, or the garments that will only cover CONFESSED sins one by one. Not future sins. The most important part of this remedy is to have the anointing of the Holy Ghost to guide us into all truth so we are not deceived, because Jesus Himself said that false Christs will come and IF POSSIBLE deceive the very elect. IF WE ARE NOT THE VERY ELECT WE WILL BE DECEIVED.
COMPARE THE CHURCH TODAY WITH THE FIRST APOSTOLIC CHURCH THAT TRULY CONVERTED 3000 PEOPLE IN ONE DAY! This is the church that Jesus is coming for. He is coming for believers who are united. The kind of unity Paul writes about in 1Corinthians:1:10: "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." Believe this: the truth is NOT popular.