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That there are 10 commandments on the tablet, when there is really no specific number of commandments there, and different schemes of numbering what is said exists.
That there where specifically 3 kings that came from the east to see Christ's birth. There where three gifts, but how many kings there where we do not know.
That there where specifically 3 kings that came from the east to see Christ's birth. There where three gifts, but how many kings there where we do not know.
Greetings Tintin.......On boredom in heaven, I will say something here that if all think about it, they should agree. When the Holy Spirit entered into me the joy was immeasurable as was Yahweh, God's Presence. My thinking is that event was just a very small sampling of the joy in the Kingdom. No one knows, surely starting with me, the greatness that will be, come the Kingdom. Our Father has such wonder awaiting us. We certainly will be praising Him for eternity, but what a joy!
I couldn't find my chilton manual to my truck. I moved it somewhere. And then I remembered it was in my armoir so I wouldn't lose it... Inside the chilton manual I found this, it is from the internet but I can't find the source... Never mind, found it...Biblical versus Cultural Christianity
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[TD="bgcolor: #ffffea"][h=3] Biblical Christianity[/h]
[TD="bgcolor: #eeeeee"][h=3] Cultural Christianity[/h]
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[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] It is...[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] A personal relationship with our Lord, Jesus Christ, based on faith.John 17:20-26; Rom. 8:37-39[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"]A religion based on humanist logic, "feel good" experiences, and popular interpretations of Scriptures.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"]Come to God through…[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] Faith in Jesus Christ Who has revealed Himself in His Word and by His Spirit. John 14:6[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] Faith that our own good works and intentions are good enough. [/TD]
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[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"]View the Bible as:[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] The absolute, unchanging, Word of God. The Bible is inspired and guarded by God --- including its honest reports about evil acts among God's people. 2 Tim. 3:16; 1 Pet 1:25[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"]A collection of guidelines, allegories, myths, and stories useful for good living. Offensive verses must be ignored.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] Our goal is...[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] God's approval. To know Him, do His will, follow His way, and live each moment in fellowship with Him -- by His wonderful grace! Gal.1:10[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"]People's approval. To please, not offend, the world and its communities. Fun, feel-good fellowship.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"]Source of Strength[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] God's unlimited grace and power.Gal. 2:20; Phil. 4:19[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] Our human abilities -- plus God’s help when "needed."[/TD]
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[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] See our human self as…[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] Weak and inadequate apart from Christ. 2 Cor. 12:9-10[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] Strong and capable if we have confidence in Self.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] See sin as...[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] Leading to spiritual bondage and death. Rom. 6:23[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] A normal part of life. Ignore it, or you might offend someone. Or enjoy it, for "God understands" you needs and inclinations.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] Deal with sin through...[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] Confession and faith: trusting Jesus as the "Lamb," our Savior who bore our sins on cross. Rom. 6:1-6[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] Try to do better next time, or just tolerate it. Don't offend anyone by making them feel guilty.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] Caring for people...[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] Bring people to Christ. Demonstrate God's love. Trust God to meet needs by His Spirit working through our surrendered lives. Rom. 12:9-18[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"]Bring people to the church or group. Don’t tolerate uncompromising Christians who might offend people. Do to others as you would have others do to you.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] Response to suffering:[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] Trust God to use suffeering to deepen our faith and endurance, prepare us for ministry, and demonstrate His love and power. 2 Cor. 1:3-11[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] Pray, endure, and trust that God will help. It's okay to challenge God’s love, power, and purpose -- and to seek quick relief through whatever means available -- no matter how it conflicts with His Word.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] Commitment:[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"]Trust and follow God. No compromise. Rather die than betray our Lord. Rom. 12:1-2[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] Trust and follow feelings and human logic. Compromise essential to avoid offending the world.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] Expect to...[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] Face rejection and persecution. John 15:20-21[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] Get along and influence the world.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] Outreach:[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"]Bring God's love and good news to the needy, then bring the needy to Jesus.[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"]Adapt the church to the "community" so that everyone will feel at home.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] Daily hope:[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] Eternity with Jesus, our Shepherd and King. 1 Peter 1:3-9[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] Success, acceptance of all people, fun and fellowship in this life.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] [/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #ffffea"][h=3] Biblical Christianity[/h]
Only understood by those who are joined to Christ through the cross
[/TD][TD="bgcolor: #eeeeee"][h=3] Cultural Christianity[/h]
Believed by the masses to represent genuine Christianity
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[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] It is...[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] A personal relationship with our Lord, Jesus Christ, based on faith.John 17:20-26; Rom. 8:37-39[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"]A religion based on humanist logic, "feel good" experiences, and popular interpretations of Scriptures.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"]Come to God through…[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] Faith in Jesus Christ Who has revealed Himself in His Word and by His Spirit. John 14:6[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] Faith that our own good works and intentions are good enough. [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"]View the Bible as:[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] The absolute, unchanging, Word of God. The Bible is inspired and guarded by God --- including its honest reports about evil acts among God's people. 2 Tim. 3:16; 1 Pet 1:25[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"]A collection of guidelines, allegories, myths, and stories useful for good living. Offensive verses must be ignored.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] Our goal is...[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] God's approval. To know Him, do His will, follow His way, and live each moment in fellowship with Him -- by His wonderful grace! Gal.1:10[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"]People's approval. To please, not offend, the world and its communities. Fun, feel-good fellowship.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"]Source of Strength[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] God's unlimited grace and power.Gal. 2:20; Phil. 4:19[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] Our human abilities -- plus God’s help when "needed."[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] See our human self as…[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] Weak and inadequate apart from Christ. 2 Cor. 12:9-10[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] Strong and capable if we have confidence in Self.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] See sin as...[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] Leading to spiritual bondage and death. Rom. 6:23[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] A normal part of life. Ignore it, or you might offend someone. Or enjoy it, for "God understands" you needs and inclinations.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] Deal with sin through...[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] Confession and faith: trusting Jesus as the "Lamb," our Savior who bore our sins on cross. Rom. 6:1-6[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] Try to do better next time, or just tolerate it. Don't offend anyone by making them feel guilty.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] Caring for people...[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] Bring people to Christ. Demonstrate God's love. Trust God to meet needs by His Spirit working through our surrendered lives. Rom. 12:9-18[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"]Bring people to the church or group. Don’t tolerate uncompromising Christians who might offend people. Do to others as you would have others do to you.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] Response to suffering:[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] Trust God to use suffeering to deepen our faith and endurance, prepare us for ministry, and demonstrate His love and power. 2 Cor. 1:3-11[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] Pray, endure, and trust that God will help. It's okay to challenge God’s love, power, and purpose -- and to seek quick relief through whatever means available -- no matter how it conflicts with His Word.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] Commitment:[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"]Trust and follow God. No compromise. Rather die than betray our Lord. Rom. 12:1-2[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] Trust and follow feelings and human logic. Compromise essential to avoid offending the world.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] Expect to...[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] Face rejection and persecution. John 15:20-21[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] Get along and influence the world.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] Outreach:[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"]Bring God's love and good news to the needy, then bring the needy to Jesus.[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"]Adapt the church to the "community" so that everyone will feel at home.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 123, bgcolor: #f1f4fa"] Daily hope:[/TD]
[TD="width: 316, bgcolor: #ffffea"] Eternity with Jesus, our Shepherd and King. 1 Peter 1:3-9[/TD]
[TD="width: 367, bgcolor: #eeeeee"] Success, acceptance of all people, fun and fellowship in this life.[/TD]
[/TR]
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You have given me a lot of work, because every single answer in your table gives false witness to the truth. If this is what you have learned catholics are I too would not be catholic. The moment I decided to listen to what the catholic teachings really are I saw how much false witness has been given to her. I am working in correcting your table, the problem is the one line answers. And do not tell me that you believe sola Scripture because the bible never said that. It does say hold on to the traditions handed to you and much more.
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"Funny you should say that, when YOU just 'spammed' this thread."
Why do you believe that this chart is targeting Catholicism? Is it not abundantly clear that it is describing the general cultural perspective of "Christianity" in society - how the "masses" view it - people in general - with a specific regard to "luke-warm Christians" and "non-Christians"...???
Do the descriptions in the 'Cultural Christianity' column have an uncanny resemblance to the ideals of Catholic faith?
Do you assume that anything regarding the 'culture' of a society is or should be automatically connected with Catholicism - as though Catholicism defines all culture and society?
Just wondering how you made the quick-assumption that this chart is all about Catholicism...
I just realized...
"Perhaps your issue DOES belong in this thread. There are a lot of Common Misconceptions about Catholicism. Virtually everything that is Catholic (doctrine) is not found in the Bible..."
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Why do you believe that this chart is targeting Catholicism? Is it not abundantly clear that it is describing the general cultural perspective of "Christianity" in society - how the "masses" view it - people in general - with a specific regard to "luke-warm Christians" and "non-Christians"...???
Do the descriptions in the 'Cultural Christianity' column have an uncanny resemblance to the ideals of Catholic faith?
Do you assume that anything regarding the 'culture' of a society is or should be automatically connected with Catholicism - as though Catholicism defines all culture and society?
Just wondering how you made the quick-assumption that this chart is all about Catholicism...
I just realized..."Perhaps your issue DOES belong in this thread. There are a lot of Common Misconceptions about Catholicism. Virtually everything that is Catholic (doctrine) is not found in the Bible..."
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Gra the reason I believe this to be against catholics is because that is pretty much what many people say here that catholics believe. Many claim they know what I believe and they are way off. And most of those false believes they claim I have are in that chart.
"Funny you should say that, when YOU just 'spammed' this thread."
Why do you believe that this chart is targeting Catholicism? Is it not abundantly clear that it is describing the general cultural perspective of "Christianity" in society - how the "masses" view it - people in general - with a specific regard to "luke-warm Christians" and "non-Christians"...???
Do the descriptions in the 'Cultural Christianity' column have an uncanny resemblance to the ideals of Catholic faith?
Do you assume that anything regarding the 'culture' of a society is or should be automatically connected with Catholicism - as though Catholicism defines all culture and society?
Just wondering how you made the quick-assumption that this chart is all about Catholicism...
I just realized...
"Perhaps your issue DOES belong in this thread. There are a lot of Common Misconceptions about Catholicism. Virtually everything that is Catholic (doctrine) is not found in the Bible..."
.
Why do you believe that this chart is targeting Catholicism? Is it not abundantly clear that it is describing the general cultural perspective of "Christianity" in society - how the "masses" view it - people in general - with a specific regard to "luke-warm Christians" and "non-Christians"...???
Do the descriptions in the 'Cultural Christianity' column have an uncanny resemblance to the ideals of Catholic faith?
Do you assume that anything regarding the 'culture' of a society is or should be automatically connected with Catholicism - as though Catholicism defines all culture and society?
Just wondering how you made the quick-assumption that this chart is all about Catholicism...
I just realized..."Perhaps your issue DOES belong in this thread. There are a lot of Common Misconceptions about Catholicism. Virtually everything that is Catholic (doctrine) is not found in the Bible..."
.
Indeed maybe I should. At the moment I am discussing OSAS and faith alone, but no matter how many times I say catholics believe in saved by grace always have and always will be. I get replies saying that because I am catholic I believe my own works save me. That I do not believe the bible that I believe men. That I put limits on God, that I do not read the bible. That we pay indulgences. And many many more. It is tiering sometimes trying to just have a nice theology discussion when people focus so hard on this lies.
So yes I taught you were giving catholics a cheap shot, because that is to my surprise what I have come to learn in this christian chat that believes catholics are heretics [even the administration has stated this]
So yes I taught you were giving catholics a cheap shot, because that is to my surprise what I have come to learn in this christian chat that believes catholics are heretics [even the administration has stated this]
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If you believe in correct doctrine... you aren't a very good catholic... why are you clinging there. To say Catholic doctrine doesn't have a saved by works theology is false... I've read the catechism and the law code regarding sacrements, indulgences, prayer to saints... none of it is biblically sound. I won't be starting a thread for your benefit....start your own.