Confirmation that the Roman Empire is not the 8th King of Revelation 17

[Jason0047]

I am in agreement with you in that I do not pray to Mary or worship statues or light candles and I confess my sins only to the Lord. The Catholic faith believes that Jesus died for our sins and He is the only way to salvation. The Catholic faith believes in the spiritual inerrancy of the bible. Unfortunately, as with most religions the Church has added countless rules, dogma's, and doctrines that are virtually impossible to follow. First and foremost I am a Christian. I am sorry if I have offended you in any way because that was not my intention and I hope that you accept my apology.

You have not offended me; I cannot unlearn certain things of what I know to be 100% true by the Spirit and according to God's Word. I get passionate sometimes about certain topics I know to be wrong. There is no anger or ill will towards you whatsoever. For I am commanded by God to love everyone (Including my enemies).

But I do have to admit, I am quite surprised by what you said here. You are unlike any Catholic I have ever met. I have talked to a few of them in person and online for a while. Most pray to Mary, and hold to different dogmas that come from the RCC and they are Anti-Sola Scriptura.

 

[psalm6819]

Nimrod, the first world ruler was located in Babylon (part of the Assyrian empire predating Daniel's interpretation of the statue)
and there are references in the OT (maybe Malachi) mentioning "the Assyrian" that lead me to believe that the AntiChrist (our most recognizable label) will be of Middle Eastern descent and while I love the Catholics it is very possible the leadership may embrace a blended religion.(not to say our saved catholic brethern will be decieved) I didn't quote any of my backup scripture but anyone is is not open minded wouldn't consider it no matter how much I quoted. God operates in patterns and foreshadows so we can understand. He seems cylitrical to me so why not end it where rebellion began???

 

[ThomistColin]

Nimrod, the first world ruler was located in Babylon (part of the Assyrian empire predating Daniel's interpretation of the statue)
and there are references in the OT (maybe Malachi) mentioning "the Assyrian" that lead me to believe that the AntiChrist (our most recognizable label) will be of Middle Eastern descent and while I love the Catholics it is very possible the leadership may embrace a blended religion.(not to say our saved catholic brethern will be decieved) I didn't quote any of my backup scripture but anyone is is not open minded wouldn't consider it no matter how much I quoted. God operates in patterns and foreshadows so we can understand. He seems cylitrical to me so why not end it where rebellion began???

Is it plausible that a famous Catholic, even a Pope may go apostate? Yes, look at Pope Alexander II and the anti-popes. The thing is, I didn't buy into Rome as Mystery Babylon when I was a premillenialist rapture believing Protestant. And obviously I still don't buy it.

 

[kepha]

If you are Catholic, I will pray for you to reject the evil system of the RCC and trust in Jesus Christ and Him alone as your Mediator and Savior. Mary can't do anything for you.

As for the 7 hills of Rome: I am not making the 7 hills of Rome my iron clad case. It is just but one of the many bread crumbs or clues we see in Scripture and in real life that point out that Rome is Mystery Babylon in Revelation 17-18. A person who is objective will look at all the bread crumbs fairly and see if they do actually line up or not.

They don't.

As for the 7 hills of Rome: I am not making the 7 hills of Rome my iron clad case. It is just but one of the many bread crumbs or clues we see in Scripture and in real life that point out that Rome is Mystery Babylon in Revelation 17-18. A person who is objective will look at all the bread crumbs fairly and see if they do actually line up or not.

WHORE OF BABBLE-ON​

Objective? Are you serious? Dave Hunt is objective? The Seventh Day Adventists are objective? The Ku Klux Klan are objective? You could get a hernia with so many scriptural contortions! So far, I've exposed one insane "crumb", the idiotic claim about the Vatican on the seven hills. Even with a map that contradicts the claim, you will still propagate this nonsense. There is a word describing a person who refuses to let go of their preconceived notions and ignores the plain facts.

Calling the Catholic Church "an evil system" is hate speech. Or you are an innocent victim of anti-Catholic propaganda. It's not for me to say you are personally guilty for violating the Commandment "thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor". I would like to know if your hate speech is intended to inflict a kind of pain on Catholics. I find it cruel and offense. I think it's a type of sadism. Do you derive some sort of pleasure from scourging Catholics with hate propaganda?
Do you know Whom you are ultimately scourging?

In order that the faithful may have a clear comprehension of this Commandment it should be explained who is our neighbour, against whom it is unlawful to bear false witness. According to the interpretation of Christ the Lord, our neighbour is he who needs our assistance, whether bound to us by ties of kindred or not, whether a fellow*citizen or a stranger, a friend or an enemy.' It is wrong to think that one may give false evidence against an enemy, since by the command of God and of our Lord we are bound to love him.

Moreover, as every man is bound to love himself, and is thus, in some sense, his own neighbour, it is unlawful for anyone to bear false witness against himself. He who does so brands himself with infamy and disgrace, and injures both himself and the Church of which he is a member, much as the suicide, by his act, does a wrong to the state. This is the doctrine of St. Augustine, who says: To those who do not understand (the precept) properly, it might seem lawful to give false testimony against one's self, because the words "against thy neighbour" are subjoined in the Commandment. But let no one who bears false testimony against himself think that he has not violated this Commandment, for the standard of loving our neighbour is the love which we cherish towards ourselves.​

- THE CATECHISM OF TRENT: The Eighth Commandment

The ultimate source of anti-Catholic bigotry is self hatred.

"The Pope is not in the Bible", "the Pope is the anti-Christ". I wish the hate cults would make up their minds.

 

[psalm6819]

Sadaam Hussein was in the process of rebuilding Babylon. It was never destroyed trade routes cause it to dwindle. I beleive that Babylon will once again be a literal city.

 

[psalm6819]

With regard to "Mystery Babylon" that will be the blended religion not just Catholic but Prods, New Age, Taoist, Hindu, Muslim; an unholy mixture of abomination. Maybe it will be a Pope but maybe not so I don't condemn the Catholic Church.

 

[Markum1972]

The Anti-Christ makes a 7 year covenant (treaty) with the Jews and Rome. The Jews and Rome break the treaty with the Anti-Christ by trying to kill him. But the Anti-Christ comes back from the dead and gains the favor of the world for their treachery. The eighth king is the Anti-Christ and he will destroy the 7th kingdom which Rome. One can clearly see the marks of Rome as Mystery Babylon in Revelation 17-18. Rome is a great city of wealth and it's state religion is world wide in many countries. It's economic collapse after the Anti-Christ destroys them lines up with the third seal of famine and proverty.

The whore is described as being clothed in scarlet and purple.
The RCC (Roman Catholic Church)'s bishops and cardinals are clothed with these colors in parades. It looks like a sea of scarlet and purple from afar.
She calls herself a "Queen."
The RCC worships the "Queen of Heaven" (Mary).
There is a golden cup of abominations in her hand.
This is the RCC's pagan practice of the Eucharist (Which is an abomination to the Lord).
She is drunk with the blood of the saints.
Rome has killed more Christians than any other country could ever aspire to.
She sits upon 7 hills.
Granted, hills is a reference to nations or kingdoms, but it is odd that the Vatican is known for having 7 hills (of which they refer to such a thing themselves).

You may missed the detail I presented from the scripture in the initial post.

It is impossible for Rome to be the 7th or 8th empires.

John says the 6th "IS". Rome is what he was talking about. Then he says about the 7th: and the other has not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The 8th: that was (one of the past), and is not (eliminates Rome), even he is the eighth, yet is one of the seven and goeth into perdition.

So that means the 8th could not be Rome (the 6th) nor the 7th (because this one continues a short time before the 8th). What is left are the 5 that had fallen.

Rome cannot be both the 6th AND the 7th because this would actually make it the 6th ONLY and the 8th empire would then be the 7th. There would be no 8th. You cannot have redundancy in a sequence.

What John wrote was like a riddle in that it allows one to use the process of elimination to arrive at only one possibility. The fact that Daniel said four Persian kings and the last fit the description of the man of perdition answers that riddle easily.

There have been three Persian dynasties/kingdoms...

• Achaemenid Empire (550–330 BC), also called "First Persian Empire"
• Parthian Empire (247 BC–224 AD), also called "Arsacid Empire"
• Sasanian Empire (224–651 AD), also called "Neo-Persian Empire" and "Second Persian Empire"

The Sasanian Empire "was the last Iranian empire before the rise of Islam".

With Islam representing EVERYTHING we know about the beast kingdom and the man of perdition (the Mahdi), I don't see how it could be any clearer. Yet I have went years without seeing this and pondered what these things could be. After all, should I not know what the image of the beast is going to be if I am to refuse to worship it? It was only recently that it was all made clear.

 

[Markum1972]

I will question the "Armageddon News" 's conclusion in the video, as to the Ottoman empire as the 8th king of Rev17. I think we can not to so SPECIFIC in our interpretation of Prophecy in the Bible. this is "private interpretation" of men, we can not con to DEFINITE conclusion, as if we are GOD. I think the 7th and 8th king are yet in our future. I would advise ,that we do not interpret prophecy by our dreams. Dreams are very messed up things, I have a lot of bad dreams. We MUST stay in the WRITTEN word of GOD to interpret the Bible. Just be patient and save your soul with the blood of Jesus and pray for the work of the miracle of the New Birth of the Spirit and His on going work to save us. Love Hoffco

If this is the case, then John should not have been so specific in what he wrote that it eliminated every possibility but one. Why should it be mentioned in scripture at all if we are not supposed to understand it? And just like it was in the days of Daniel, only God can interpret a dream accurately. So then, if you have the Holy Spirit to interpret for you, then who can stand against you?

 

[Markum1972]

With regard to "Mystery Babylon" that will be the blended religion not just Catholic but Prods, New Age, Taoist, Hindu, Muslim; an unholy mixture of abomination. Maybe it will be a Pope but maybe not so I don't condemn the Catholic Church.

Yes... and that mix is described as four horsemen that ride together.

 

[Jason0047]

They don't.

WHORE OF BABBLE-ON​

Objective? Are you serious? Dave Hunt is objective? The Seventh Day Adventists are objective? The Ku Klux Klan are objective? You could get a hernia with so many scriptural contortions! So far, I've exposed one insane "crumb", the idiotic claim about the Vatican on the seven hills. Even with a map that contradicts the claim, you will still propagate this nonsense. There is a word describing a person who refuses to let go of their preconceived notions and ignores the plain facts.

Calling the Catholic Church "an evil system" is hate speech. Or you are an innocent victim of anti-Catholic propaganda. It's not for me to say you are personally guilty for violating the Commandment "thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor". I would like to know if your hate speech is intended to inflict a kind of pain on Catholics. I find it cruel and offense. I think it's a type of sadism. Do you derive some sort of pleasure from scourging Catholics with hate propaganda?
Do you know Whom you are ultimately scourging?

In order that the faithful may have a clear comprehension of this Commandment it should be explained who is our neighbour, against whom it is unlawful to bear false witness. According to the interpretation of Christ the Lord, our neighbour is he who needs our assistance, whether bound to us by ties of kindred or not, whether a fellow*citizen or a stranger, a friend or an enemy.' It is wrong to think that one may give false evidence against an enemy, since by the command of God and of our Lord we are bound to love him.

Moreover, as every man is bound to love himself, and is thus, in some sense, his own neighbour, it is unlawful for anyone to bear false witness against himself. He who does so brands himself with infamy and disgrace, and injures both himself and the Church of which he is a member, much as the suicide, by his act, does a wrong to the state. This is the doctrine of St. Augustine, who says: To those who do not understand (the precept) properly, it might seem lawful to give false testimony against one's self, because the words "against thy neighbour" are subjoined in the Commandment. But let no one who bears false testimony against himself think that he has not violated this Commandment, for the standard of loving our neighbour is the love which we cherish towards ourselves.​

- THE CATECHISM OF TRENT: The Eighth Commandment

The ultimate source of anti-Catholic bigotry is self hatred.

"The Pope is not in the Bible", "the Pope is the anti-Christ". I wish the hate cults would make up their minds.

No, it's not. It's not wrong to call something evil or wrong. It's not wrong for me to say that Hitler was an evil guy for killing the Jews. The Scriptures say we are not to have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but we are to rather reprove them. But God commands me to love the sinner and hate the sin. I believe the Catholic Church is a sinful idolaterous institution that goes against the Bible in many many ways. 2 Timothy 3:16 says all Scripture is profitable for correction. Jesus says we can judge righteous judgment. So you would be wrong that I cannot speak out against that which is wrong. I mean, think, my friend. The golden calf incident should let you know that idolatry is wrong. However, I know you don't want to see it, though.

 

[Markum1972]

Why are you defending a false church that is into idolatry and Mary worship?

I don't think he was "defending" them despite the inappropriate comment made. The Roman Catholic church is CERTAINLY involved Jason. It is the white horse (the appearance of being pure) bent on conquest (starting with Constantine and has not ceased). But you will note that the white horse joins with the other three in its dominion on the earth when the 4th seal is opened. Do you know how many of the seals have been opened? What is the next seal to be opened? What are the other three horses according to their descriptions?

 

[Jason0047]

You may missed the detail I presented from the scripture in the initial post.

It is impossible for Rome to be the 7th or 8th empires.

John says the 6th "IS". Rome is what he was talking about. Then he says about the 7th: and the other has not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The 8th: that was (one of the past), and is not (eliminates Rome), even he is the eighth, yet is one of the seven and goeth into perdition.

So that means the 8th could not be Rome (the 6th) nor the 7th (because this one continues a short time before the 8th). What is left are the 5 that had fallen.

Rome cannot be both the 6th AND the 7th because this would actually make it the 6th ONLY and the 8th empire would then be the 7th. There would be no 8th. You cannot have redundancy in a sequence.

What John wrote was like a riddle in that it allows one to use the process of elimination to arrive at only one possibility. The fact that Daniel said four Persian kings and the last fit the description of the man of perdition answers that riddle easily.

There have been three Persian dynasties/kingdoms...

• Achaemenid Empire (550–330 BC), also called "First Persian Empire"
• Parthian Empire (247 BC–224 AD), also called "Arsacid Empire"
• Sasanian Empire (224–651 AD), also called "Neo-Persian Empire" and "Second Persian Empire"

The Sasanian Empire "was the last Iranian empire before the rise of Islam".

With Islam representing EVERYTHING we know about the beast kingdom and the man of perdition (the Mahdi), I don't see how it could be any clearer. Yet I have went years without seeing this and pondered what these things could be. After all, should I not know what the image of the beast is going to be if I am to refuse to worship it? It was only recently that it was all made clear.

Never said otherwise, my friend. I just chose not to address the issue at that time. I believe:

The Five Kings That Are Fallen:

1st King = Egypt
2nd King = Assyria
3rd King = Babylon (Statue of Neb. starts) (Different Beast Animals Start)
4th King = Medo Persia
5th King = Greece

The One That is:

6th King = Rome

THe one that is to come:

7th King = Possibly the U.S. or the Revised Roman Empire.
(If it is the U.S., You must take note that Catholicism has a huge influence on this country; It is the religion that is shown in most movies, TV shows, comics, etc.) (Most people in my experience I have met who are Catholic are also wordly focused).

All These Kings Are A Part of the Beast's 7 Heads. For Mountains are Kingdoms.

8th King = Anti-Christ (Beast) and His rule.
(Anti-Christ will destroy the Whore; I believe he will destroy the Vatican).

The Beast is a Demon that is why he is a part of the previous seven.

The Woman who rides the Beast:

Is currently Catholicism. It has taken on different (But similar forms thru out the past Kingdoms). Satan is the god of this world and he has rules over it's world leaders for a long time.

 

[Powemm]

About a year ago I saw a very dark brown almost black horse run out of the barn of my mind... following it was a white horse with brown spots... like a painted horse ... no riders on them.. standing at the barn door of my mind a few days ago, i can see what looks like a white horse with a rider upon it.both have the appearance of white but I can only see a frontal view .. ..at first sight, i wanted to run out and meet him (thinking it to be jesus) but a voice said " wait ".. whoever this rider is , is riding alone.. no one with him... to far in the distance.. I can only see the shape and outline of it right now

 

[Powemm]

About a year ago I saw a very dark brown almost black horse run out of the barn of my mind... following it was a white horse with brown spots... like a painted horse ... no riders on them.. standing at the barn door of my mind a few days ago, i can see what looks like a white horse with a rider upon it.both have the appearance of white but I can only see a frontal view .. ..at first sight, i wanted to run out and meet him (thinking it to be jesus) but a voice said " wait ".. whoever this rider is , is riding alone.. no one with him... to far in the distance.. I can only see the shape and outline of it right now

This horse and rider are not walking , but running at a very fast pace

 

[Powemm]

Another vision came some time ago... now the time to share... .. I was on a mountain next to a never ending well overlooking an extremely dry land.. desert in nature... wells of every kind in it.. the bodies in this land look like a sea.. bodies running, crawling and even dead on the ground trying to get to these wells... the wells in this land look refreshing and look like the never ending well im sitting next to.. duplicate in appearance.. however the wells in the land (all of them) are stagnant... people are running, crawling, and even dying ,trying to get to them.. some bodies dead hanging over the sides of them.. people are not even noticing "this" who are thirstly..they do not know the difference of the stagnant well from gods never ending well.. the only thing they will hear is a call from god.. who will give them his cup...their ears and eyes are closed to everyone and everything else around them.. only God will quench this type of thirst.. Only God can heal this type of land..

 

[john832]

Never said otherwise, my friend. I just chose not to address the issue at that time. I believe:

The Five Kings That Are Fallen:

1st King = Egypt
2nd King = Assyria
3rd King = Babylon (Statue of Neb. starts) (Different Beast Animals Start)
4th King = Medo Persia
5th King = Greece

The One That is:

6th King = Rome

THe one that is to come:

7th King = Possibly the U.S. or the Revised Roman Empire.
(If it is the U.S., You must take note that Catholicism has a huge influence on this country; It is the religion that is shown in most movies, TV shows, comics, etc.) (Most people in my experience I have met who are Catholic are also wordly focused).

All These Kings Are A Part of the Beast's 7 Heads. For Mountains are Kingdoms.

8th King = Anti-Christ (Beast) and His rule.
(Anti-Christ will destroy the Whore; I believe he will destroy the Vatican).

The Beast is a Demon that is why he is a part of the previous seven.

The Woman who rides the Beast:

Is currently Catholicism. It has taken on different (But similar forms thru out the past Kingdoms). Satan is the god of this world and he has rules over it's world leaders for a long time.

1st King - Deadly wound healed, the Imperial Restoration of the Holy Roman Empire by Justinian 554.

2nd King - Charlemagne crowned by Pope in 800AD

3rd King - Otto the Great crowned by Pope in 962AD

4th King - Hapsburg Dynasty Charles V crowned by Pope in 1520

5th King - Napoleon crowned by Pope in 1805

One is Hitler and Mussolini given the support of the Pope

One yet to come - forming as we speak in Europe.

 

[Powemm]

Just like at a party .. some are busy drinking, some are busy trying to pass out drinks, and then theres the "one" who makes the drinks and serves them... god is serving up exactly what has been ordered among his people... its like grain... he has blessed us with the food we ask for then complain that the grain (the black seed, the black stone which also looks like a piece of rotten grain) is no good... the seed has to reach a rotten state before no one wants to eat it.. like a good father though a new seed , a pure seed, pure white in color is given.. some crops are burned to ripen and whiten the seed within.. the hull gets very black and charred... harvest time is coming.. the sickle will cut the stalks

 

[eternally-gratefull]

For a number of years now, I have considered it possible that the 8th king was a revived Roman Empire. I have heard a lot of people coming to that conclusion.

While I have considered it, I kept coming back to Islam. However, in effort to remain humble I have continued to consider it. Until today that is when I found confirmation that the Roman Empire is not the 8th, but Persia (Islam) in fact is.

Here I intend to share this for those of you that are also seeking the deep of God concerning the days leading to the great and terrible day of our Lord:

Most already know that the 6th king spoken of by John is the Roman Empire. Scriptures make it pretty easy to identify.

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other has not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

So the "one is" was the Roman Empire at the time that John wrote this.

So, why can't the 8th be the Roman Empire?

Revelation 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, yet is one of the seven and goeth into perdition.

It is written that the 8th IS NOT which would exclude the Roman Empire because it was at that time.

So we can see how the 8th cannot be the 6th (Roman Empire) or the 7th (because it was not yet).

WAS indicates that it used to be an empire, so it can be concluded that it was one of the five fallen empires.

Why do I insist that this empire is a revived Persian Empire (Islamic)?

Daniel 11:2 “And now will I show thee the truth: Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia, and the fourth shall be far richer than them all; and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Greece.

The fourth king of Persia is described in Daniel 11 as the beast kingdom (8th) that is ruled by the man of perdition (Antichrist)

Persia is under Islamic rule and here are some very descriptive details in Daniel 11. While many could apply to other groups as well, a few details really single out one group. Especially the last few verses...

Daniel 11
43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and ofsilver, and over all the precious things of Egypt; and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him. Therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy and utterly to sweep away many.
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain. Yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

What currently sits on the holy mount (Mount Zion) of God? Where does Islam plan to throne the Mahdi (Islamic messiah)?

Look into it.

ya forgot to look at daniel. Daniel speaks of a 4th and 5th beast. The forth being the rome of Johns time, the 5th being the revised roman empire, more powerful. In fact daniel also shows the persian people have a place, but not in the empire,

daniel alsp speaks of that prince who is to come, his people destroy the city of jerusalem (70 ad) this prince is the 8th king, his people were rome.

 

[Markum1972]

Never said otherwise, my friend. I just chose not to address the issue at that time. I believe:

The Five Kings That Are Fallen:

1st King = Egypt
2nd King = Assyria
3rd King = Babylon (Statue of Neb. starts) (Different Beast Animals Start)
4th King = Medo Persia
5th King = Greece

The One That is:

6th King = Rome

THe one that is to come:

7th King = Possibly the U.S. or the Revised Roman Empire.
(If it is the U.S., You must take note that Catholicism has a huge influence on this country; It is the religion that is shown in most movies, TV shows, comics, etc.) (Most people in my experience I have met who are Catholic are also wordly focused).

All These Kings Are A Part of the Beast's 7 Heads. For Mountains are Kingdoms.

8th King = Anti-Christ (Beast) and His rule.
(Anti-Christ will destroy the Whore; I believe he will destroy the Vatican).

The Beast is a Demon that is why he is a part of the previous seven.

The Woman who rides the Beast:

Is currently Catholicism. It has taken on different (But similar forms thru out the past Kingdoms). Satan is the god of this world and he has rules over it's world leaders for a long time.

Yes! Yes! Yes! Excuse my excitement but to see it written by another that has obviously studied it is AWESOME!

It is VERY interesting that you posed the possibility of the United States being the 7th empire (as no one has mentioned this as of yet).

Just the other day, it was brought to my attention that the United States was the ONLY nation that fought against "Roman" Catholic rule, succeeded, and rose up as an empire greater than her; even erecting a building called "The EMPIRE State Building".

While that possibility is still fresh, I will not say that it IS the United States (yet). However, the fact that the 7th will come and "continue for a short space" leads to the United States being the only empire that I can currently see fitting this description.

As far as the beast being a demon, I agree with you in part. It is certainly a demonic rule and be under the leadership of a leading demon, but it is also manifested as a kingdom/empire. I think you and I discussed this sort of thing before though and we would be in agreement on this matter.

On last thing, an observation I made some time back in the listing you made above was that Babylon's worship has been passed down throughout the ages to each of the empires. ALL OF THEM. I found this interesting when I discovered it because it really enriched my understanding to...

Revelation 17:1And there came one of the seven angels, who had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, “Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgment upon the great whore who sitteth upon many waters, 2 with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”

Fornication as we know is idol worship and/or the introduction of other gods into the relationship with God. Just as fornication is the same when one has a marriage and introduces others into the relationship. On this note, it has been greatly misunderstood that the adulterer is the one that attempts to divide a relationship by bringing another god (or person in the case of marriage) into the relationship. The definition of fornication and adultery today do not match the definition as given by scripture. Just an interesting discovery I wanted to share. Look into it.

 

[Powemm]

Its not just Catholicism. It will be the whole band together... there are churches on every corner.. every denomination in them... its like saying halloween is the most evil holiday... really.... while all the other paganistic holidays are left out of focus.. all the others are just as deadly.. its going to be the whole brew... not just a partial taste...