Some may disagree, that a Jew who has been given a spirit of slumber until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in can come to know Christ and be born again just as Abraham, Moses and other Old Testament saints were. But to say that the view espoused says Jews don’t need Jesus or that it is offering another method of salvation is fallacy. Regardless of whether one promotes a fallacy intentionally or unintentionally does not change the fact it is fallacy.(in effect a lie). The view being espoused by Therapon does not promote another method of salvation but instead is attempting to demonstrate that God reveals Himself to different people in different circumstances and times in different ways. Old Testament saints like Abraham and Moses did not see the first advent of Christ and the gospel yet by placing their faith in the coming Messiah (Christ) they were born again. Aren’t New Testament saints born again by placing their faith and coming to know Christ? What’s the difference both come to know Christ and are born again as a result of their faith in Christ? It is not a matter of not needing Jesus or another method of salvation (as some people are falsely saying) but instead a matter of how God chooses to reveal Himself to the sovereignly blinded Jew until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in and whether or not the Jew given a spirit of slumber can still come to know Christ and be born again through the Old Testament like Abraham Moses and the other Old Testament saints.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
For the above verse to be true, then for anyone to be saved from Adam until the Lord returns must be born again by coming to know Christ and being washed clean by His shed blood for the remission of our sins. Regardless of whether or not one was an Old Testament saint like Moses who lived long before the crucifixion and resurrection (in our eyes, but in God’s the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world) or whether one lives in 2013 long after the crucifixion one must be born again to see the kingdom of God. The belief that both Old and New Testament saintsare born again through Christ is confirmed by Scripture.
1Co 10:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;And did all eat the same spiritual meat;And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Old Testament saint or New Testament saint the method is the same, no one was saved by the law, but instead by coming to know Christ. It has always been about coming to know Christ (drinking from the Rock) and being born again!
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Rom 2:28 -29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Old Testament saint or New Testament saint makes no difference those who come (or came) to know Christ have a circumcised or new heart and are filled with the Holy Spirit. The method of salvation has never changed. What has changed is how God chose to reveal Himself to us depending on who we are and what age we live in. To the Old Testament saint Christ was revealed as the coming Messiah. To the New Testament saint Christ was revealed through His life on earth where He was crucified and resurrected for the remission of our sins. So how does God reveal Himself to the Jew that has been sovereignly blinded to the first advent of Christ and the gospel? How does God reveal Himself to the enemy of the gospel that is elect?
So let’s set this straw argument which is a fallacy about Therapon saying Jews don’t need Jesus or is offering another method of salvation aside and get down to the real issues. So for those who disagree with the view Therapon espouses I have a few questions and hopefully you will actually address the issue with a Scripturally sound explanation instead of an unprovable doctrinally based explanation that cherry picks Scripture in an effort to condemn the Jews. Remember Scripture will not contradict Scripture it is our interpretations that make it appear that way. For our doctrines and beliefs to be correct we must make scripture reconcile Scripture instead of making Scripture contradict Scripture.
Did the fullness of the gentiles come in during the first century or is it ongoing until the last gentile to be born again comes to the Lord?
If the fullness of the gentiles has not come in and there are SOME (not all) Jews still sovereignly blinded to the first advent of Christ and the gospel can they be held accountable for not recognizing the first advent of Christ and the gospel in light of Roman4:15?
If they are still sovereignly blinded and are not held accountable for recognizing the first advent of Christ and the gospel in light of Roman4:15 can they if they are provoked to jealousy return to the only Scriptures (Old Testament) they are allowed to see then come to know Christ and be born again by placing their faith in the Messiah (Christ) just as Abraham and Moses were?
Now before one starts trying to answer those questions in a manner designed to prove that the fullness of the gentiles came in during the first century therefore the spirit of slumber has been lifted and Rom 4:15 does not apply so all Jews must recognize the gospel or be condemned ask your self these questions. Wouldn’t that be proving that the Old Covenant which God said is an everlasting covenant died in the first century? While from our perspective we have a New and better covenant we must not forget that while the Old covenant “which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away” it has not vanished yet! It can’t or God would not be true to His word that it was an everlasting covenant.
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