Contrast of The Mega Church with the Bible Believing Church
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I cannot listen to a modern christian song. I get a gut ache. No anointing. They've been tithed, clericalized, egoed, and churched to death. Id rather listen to old time gospel. How about the churches favorite praise and worship, Hillsong songs? The exalted 'pastor' in Australia says ala and God are one and the same. Bowing to pope, probably pro-homo, thats the latest church craze/apostasy it seems.
'So lift your hands and lets sing Shout to the Lord!' Its a different Lord, different gospel, and different spirit folks.
I thank God daily that He never allowed me to fit in with churchianity.
'So lift your hands and lets sing Shout to the Lord!' Its a different Lord, different gospel, and different spirit folks.
I thank God daily that He never allowed me to fit in with churchianity.
It appears as if the Mega Church caters to the people,where a Bible believing Church caters to God.
It does not matter the size of the Church,but we cannot meet the accommodations of people,over the word of God.
It seems as if the Mega Church tries to be glamour,and glitz,like putting on an entertainment for people,catering to their musical likes,sure accept Jesus,but leave out the details,and try not to offend anybody,and done in good ole american fashion,like going to a ball game,or to the movies,or a concert.
But at least they say be good to people,but they fall short of that,because it caters to a lot of worldly people,especially in the spend your money on people for their needs,and material things,that also neglects the poor.
When people who like worldliness,and you can see it in their lifestyle,like the Mega Churches,something is wrong,make it fun for people,instead of the seriousness that it is.
But for the most part if people do want to get together like that,having fun,it would seem like it would not be that bad,but do not call it Church for the most part,because they will not reveal the whole council of God.
But would a Mega Church have a bad impact on Christianity as a whole,if it became too popular.
I believe it would,for people will start viewing Church that way,in general,and leave behind the nitty,gritty,details,and what the Bible is truly about,especially if it caters to the young folks,who are the future.
If that attitude kept up,in the future,that would be standard Church,and behaving correctly,abstaining from worldliness,would kind of be out the door,as they view that is how God operates,and the materialism,and money,it is alright,which God said some people think godliness is gain,but having food,and clothing,be content,which I can not see a lot of people that go to a Mega Church abiding by that,especially with people like Joel Osteen.
But do not fear for the Mega Churches will not be the standard Church way in the future,for the new age movement will beat them out in popularity,and run over them like a steamroller,although the Mega Churches can assist in providing the lust needed,to make the transition to the new age Christianity,for if some can depart from the faith,and embrace new age Christianity,how much more can people in the Mega Churches embrace new age Christianity,especially when they like worldliness,and God said if you are worldly you have departed from the faith.
The truth is I would not feel comfortable in a Mega Church,and would be offended,because I do not like that attitude,and do not think it is serious like it should be,and think there is too much worldliness associated with it,like it is playtime,for if we want playtime,let it be on our own time,and not at Church,for Church is all about God.
At least that is what it appears to me,but I never attended one of those Churches,and did not really seek out what they believe all in all,but I am going to check,for I do not want to judge them too harshly,but I think it will do more harm than good,for it does not seem to provide the necessity of being a Christian to be right with God,but falls short of it,in which that can spread.
But one thing leads to another,America,seek all the money you want,seek all the material things you want,enjoy worldly entertainment,sports events,concerts,television,music,movies,pornography,alcohol,cigarettes,all manner of entertainment,that attitude becomes popular.
Mega Churches catering to those type of people,because they are in the majority,and might think they are doing good to reach them,but going about it the wrong way.
New Age movement,people at the Mega Churches wrong idea about Christianity,and God,thinking it is about lust,and catering to self,making the transition to the New Age movement,to further their quest for lust,that they believe God allows.
The God of forces,because of their higher elevation of lust,eventually believe God is a force,the force of nature,instead of a personal God.
The beast kingdom,because of their even higher elevation of lust,accept the beast kingdom,and the New Age Christ will give them power through nature,and we can be oh something great.
It is going to happen that way,that people will get more,and more arrogant,as time goes on,and when the beast appears,it will be the right attitude for the beast to deceive all who do not love God.
So is the Mega Church good,or bad,if it does not provide the strictness of the Bible,in goodness,and morals,and associated with worldliness,because the whole thing about the beast kingdom being set up,is because Christianity is viewed in the eyes of the world,as something it is not,and that something that is not is the standard Christianity of the world,that all religions will embrace,and then what will happen.
It does not matter the size of the Church,but we cannot meet the accommodations of people,over the word of God.
It seems as if the Mega Church tries to be glamour,and glitz,like putting on an entertainment for people,catering to their musical likes,sure accept Jesus,but leave out the details,and try not to offend anybody,and done in good ole american fashion,like going to a ball game,or to the movies,or a concert.
But at least they say be good to people,but they fall short of that,because it caters to a lot of worldly people,especially in the spend your money on people for their needs,and material things,that also neglects the poor.
When people who like worldliness,and you can see it in their lifestyle,like the Mega Churches,something is wrong,make it fun for people,instead of the seriousness that it is.
But for the most part if people do want to get together like that,having fun,it would seem like it would not be that bad,but do not call it Church for the most part,because they will not reveal the whole council of God.
But would a Mega Church have a bad impact on Christianity as a whole,if it became too popular.
I believe it would,for people will start viewing Church that way,in general,and leave behind the nitty,gritty,details,and what the Bible is truly about,especially if it caters to the young folks,who are the future.
If that attitude kept up,in the future,that would be standard Church,and behaving correctly,abstaining from worldliness,would kind of be out the door,as they view that is how God operates,and the materialism,and money,it is alright,which God said some people think godliness is gain,but having food,and clothing,be content,which I can not see a lot of people that go to a Mega Church abiding by that,especially with people like Joel Osteen.
But do not fear for the Mega Churches will not be the standard Church way in the future,for the new age movement will beat them out in popularity,and run over them like a steamroller,although the Mega Churches can assist in providing the lust needed,to make the transition to the new age Christianity,for if some can depart from the faith,and embrace new age Christianity,how much more can people in the Mega Churches embrace new age Christianity,especially when they like worldliness,and God said if you are worldly you have departed from the faith.
The truth is I would not feel comfortable in a Mega Church,and would be offended,because I do not like that attitude,and do not think it is serious like it should be,and think there is too much worldliness associated with it,like it is playtime,for if we want playtime,let it be on our own time,and not at Church,for Church is all about God.
At least that is what it appears to me,but I never attended one of those Churches,and did not really seek out what they believe all in all,but I am going to check,for I do not want to judge them too harshly,but I think it will do more harm than good,for it does not seem to provide the necessity of being a Christian to be right with God,but falls short of it,in which that can spread.
But one thing leads to another,America,seek all the money you want,seek all the material things you want,enjoy worldly entertainment,sports events,concerts,television,music,movies,pornography,alcohol,cigarettes,all manner of entertainment,that attitude becomes popular.
Mega Churches catering to those type of people,because they are in the majority,and might think they are doing good to reach them,but going about it the wrong way.
New Age movement,people at the Mega Churches wrong idea about Christianity,and God,thinking it is about lust,and catering to self,making the transition to the New Age movement,to further their quest for lust,that they believe God allows.
The God of forces,because of their higher elevation of lust,eventually believe God is a force,the force of nature,instead of a personal God.
The beast kingdom,because of their even higher elevation of lust,accept the beast kingdom,and the New Age Christ will give them power through nature,and we can be oh something great.
It is going to happen that way,that people will get more,and more arrogant,as time goes on,and when the beast appears,it will be the right attitude for the beast to deceive all who do not love God.
So is the Mega Church good,or bad,if it does not provide the strictness of the Bible,in goodness,and morals,and associated with worldliness,because the whole thing about the beast kingdom being set up,is because Christianity is viewed in the eyes of the world,as something it is not,and that something that is not is the standard Christianity of the world,that all religions will embrace,and then what will happen.
where two or three gather in my name,
there am I with them.
(Matthew 18:20)
so that 'mega church' that you hate -- are there 2 or 3 people there, gathered in His name?
maybe a couple more than that?
Jesus says He is there in their midst.
something to remember while you condemn them in your heart and with your words.
and yes, exactly the same thing goes for that methodist chapel down the road where only a handful of older folks remain.
2 or 3 gathered in His name?
He says He is there.
Do not complain about one another, brothers, so that you will not be judged.
Look, the Judge is standing at the door!
(James 5:9)
admonishing each other over what is wrong is not the same as complaining about your brothers & sisters.
let's do the right things and be careful not to do wrong!
i've always felt like pointing out what is wrong is useless unless what is right is also pointed out. maybe that's the difference between complaining and correcting -- and i've also come to believe that in many cases the 'complaint' about what is wrong can be left out; if we just concentrate on proclaiming what is right, then wrong actions clearly condemn themselves without anyone pointing them out.
. . but sometimes what is wrong is not obvious, and sometimes people just don't see or hear clearly what they ought to, so it's necessary still.
Hmm, yeah we do have lots in common! Thats a comfort
Idk if we will be able to talk to them. We know by scripture that we will be in our glorified bodies so everything will be as we cannot imagine. They are there 24/7 around the thrown. They are always moving unlike the 24 coronated and elevated saints. The living beings seem to still be very busy working in this inner circle of sorts.
Idk if we will be able to talk to them. We know by scripture that we will be in our glorified bodies so everything will be as we cannot imagine. They are there 24/7 around the thrown. They are always moving unlike the 24 coronated and elevated saints. The living beings seem to still be very busy working in this inner circle of sorts.
teaching bad doctrine is one thing.
but what's the right way to organize a weekly meeting for a church with an attending membership in the thousands?
sometimes i wonder if there's not a 'fox and the grapes' ((in re: Aesop's fable)) mentality going on. these places face some serious logistical issues.
but what's the right way to organize a weekly meeting for a church with an attending membership in the thousands?
sometimes i wonder if there's not a 'fox and the grapes' ((in re: Aesop's fable)) mentality going on. these places face some serious logistical issues.
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[TD]The Biblical church
[/TD]
[TD]Reason
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Seekers are drawn by convenience.
[/TD]
[TD]God is the one drawing.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Seekers are drawn by conviction.
[/TD]
[TD] God is the one drawing.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]In the world, but not of the world.
[/TD]
[TD]Hiding isn't the business of the church,
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Looking for the Comforter/God.
[/TD]
[TD]God loved us, before we loved him, so remember that and maybe it stops being our duty to hand out the gospel of anger/self-righteousness.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Seeks God.
[/TD]
[TD]Holiness ain't coming to us on earth, so why seek it?
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Family, not attendees.
[/TD]
[TD]It helps stop the self-righteous attitude.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]God
[/TD]
[TD]Therefore, not so much need to understand why anyone is coming. People come because of God. He gives what we all need to each of individual.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]God.
[/TD]
[TD]Therefore, he is the one who dictates how we are in service. Want a casual church? Not a problem. God has seen us in the buff, so he is not shocked by casualness. Get judgey if people come casual? Find a formal church, because God's there too. Truthfully, the first church hubby and I belonged to never used hymn books because the hymns were written by the musicians in the church. They were kind enough to teach us how to sing them, and "projector." The words were literally on the wall, so no need to figure out what to do with hymn books, since the chairs were all folding chairs and we were already stuffing coats and bags under them. You have a problem with that? That's your problem. No member of the church had that problem. I never even heard Rock of Ages until I was in my 30's. I never heard most of the classics until I was in my 30's and 40's. Sometimes it was ten years later before I figured out they aren't "new songs." Musicians are often songwriters. Look what David did. And, no, he didn't write all the psalms. Unknowns wrote many of them. That's what musicians do when God speak to them -- make a song out of it. Most of the songs I know are verses from the Bible -- the only way I can memorize verses. So, if you want to judge based on music, don't. Instead, just find a church that fits your style. Nowadays? Well that same presbytery has songbooks, so, yeah, I so love Be Thou My Vision. Drop Kick Me Jesus through the Goalposts of Life really doesn't do it for me, but I trust God had it do something for someone.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The bottom one for "Bible-Believing Church" is this --
"Joining His Church (Matthew 16:18) is an awesome responsibility and a joyous privilege for the believer in Christ (1 Tim. 3:15)."
Nothing above on that list made it look "awesome." Kind of like, "Here, try this lemon. It's sweet. You'll love it."
If that's your idea of a Bible-believing church, I'll pass! I've got judgemental down to a science. I really don't need others to teach me how to do that better. I'd rather trust God to turn me more to his will, because he loved me first, and he knew who I was even!
[TR]
[TD]The Biblical church
[/TD]
[TD]Reason
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Seekers are drawn by convenience.
[/TD]
[TD]God is the one drawing.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Seekers are drawn by conviction.
[/TD]
[TD] God is the one drawing.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]In the world, but not of the world.
[/TD]
[TD]Hiding isn't the business of the church,
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Looking for the Comforter/God.
[/TD]
[TD]God loved us, before we loved him, so remember that and maybe it stops being our duty to hand out the gospel of anger/self-righteousness.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Seeks God.
[/TD]
[TD]Holiness ain't coming to us on earth, so why seek it?
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Family, not attendees.
[/TD]
[TD]It helps stop the self-righteous attitude.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]God
[/TD]
[TD]Therefore, not so much need to understand why anyone is coming. People come because of God. He gives what we all need to each of individual.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]God.
[/TD]
[TD]Therefore, he is the one who dictates how we are in service. Want a casual church? Not a problem. God has seen us in the buff, so he is not shocked by casualness. Get judgey if people come casual? Find a formal church, because God's there too. Truthfully, the first church hubby and I belonged to never used hymn books because the hymns were written by the musicians in the church. They were kind enough to teach us how to sing them, and "projector." The words were literally on the wall, so no need to figure out what to do with hymn books, since the chairs were all folding chairs and we were already stuffing coats and bags under them. You have a problem with that? That's your problem. No member of the church had that problem. I never even heard Rock of Ages until I was in my 30's. I never heard most of the classics until I was in my 30's and 40's. Sometimes it was ten years later before I figured out they aren't "new songs." Musicians are often songwriters. Look what David did. And, no, he didn't write all the psalms. Unknowns wrote many of them. That's what musicians do when God speak to them -- make a song out of it. Most of the songs I know are verses from the Bible -- the only way I can memorize verses. So, if you want to judge based on music, don't. Instead, just find a church that fits your style. Nowadays? Well that same presbytery has songbooks, so, yeah, I so love Be Thou My Vision. Drop Kick Me Jesus through the Goalposts of Life really doesn't do it for me, but I trust God had it do something for someone.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
The bottom one for "Bible-Believing Church" is this --
"Joining His Church (Matthew 16:18) is an awesome responsibility and a joyous privilege for the believer in Christ (1 Tim. 3:15)."
Nothing above on that list made it look "awesome." Kind of like, "Here, try this lemon. It's sweet. You'll love it."
If that's your idea of a Bible-believing church, I'll pass! I've got judgemental down to a science. I really don't need others to teach me how to do that better. I'd rather trust God to turn me more to his will, because he loved me first, and he knew who I was even!
Most mega churches are all about the worship service. The music/singing and such. Not much meat of learning in them, so people never grow. They're all about making you feel good about yourself when you leave the service. That's why so many members of those churches fall for aberrant theology so easily.
Give me a small church that has a pastor that simply preaches out of the Word of God, any day.
Give me a small church that has a pastor that simply preaches out of the Word of God, any day.
Amen! Its a sad sad state of affairs.
The numbers driven churches are entertainment focused. They destroyed worship . The mega church is not designed for an individual to grow but it designed to watch other people do their worship for them, The congregants are trained to watch the lights and the emotional fleshy state is appealed to .Vain repitition and self induced trance that feeds the flesh. Its all about the wave of feelings and emotions and then pass the plate or direct them to the ATM in the lobby
The numbers driven churches are entertainment focused. They destroyed worship . The mega church is not designed for an individual to grow but it designed to watch other people do their worship for them, The congregants are trained to watch the lights and the emotional fleshy state is appealed to .Vain repitition and self induced trance that feeds the flesh. Its all about the wave of feelings and emotions and then pass the plate or direct them to the ATM in the lobby