Counting miracles

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kenisyes

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I'll go first...

1. In the beginning God...
Sorry, I was referring to the OP. I meant the miracles listed as having been worked by Jesus.
 
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kenisyes

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#22
50,000 +/-thousands
Is that in reference to the OP, or to my mistake that Crossnote picked up on? If the OP, I find the total several orders of magnitude too high. There were not that many people in Judea to have been sick. Can you clarify?
 

crossnote

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Sorry, I was referring to the OP. I meant the miracles listed as having been worked by Jesus.
Oh. I was answering post #12 of yours. I couldn't resist.
 

TheAristocat

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John, right at the end of his Gospel, tells us that if all of Jesus' miracles were written down, all the books in the world could not hold them. But I have often wondered just how many miracles Jesus' worked that have been written down. I know most were healings and deliverances, a couple resurrections, and few unique ones, like water-to-wine, walking on water, feeding the 12,000 (or was it 5000, or was it twice), stopping the storm.

I'd like to know how many. Would anyone care to help me figure it out?

I'd also like to know if the same numbers are happening today, at least in some parts of the Body. (I was taught as a child, they are.) How do these numbers compare with the church they attend? How do they compare with the false claims of the international "healing" and "deliverance" "ministries"?
John 21:25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

If this is what you're referring to, then I'd say it's impossible to say how much of this was miracles and how many additional miracles there were that were not recorded. But you're certainly welcomed to keep track of those that were recorded.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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assuming an average codex width of about 19 cm...and an average vellum page thickness of 0.7 mm...the surface area of the bottom edge of an average page would be about 1.3 cm

assuming the books are arranged so that they are sitting on their ends...like books on a bookshelf...you could fit about 1 quintillion pages on the earth's total land area...

conservatively assuming that the books are on shelves two meters high...and assuming an average codex height of 25 cm...you could fit another 7 quintillion pages...for a total of 8 quintillion pages...

conservatively assuming one story per page...that is 8 quintillion noteworthy things jesus did...showing all the zeroes that is 8,000,000,000,000,000,000

if jesus lived about thirty-five years...then he would have had to do 7 billion noteworthy things per second...

my conclusion is that we are not supposed to take john's statement literally...after all he only said 'i suppose'
 
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kenisyes

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assuming an average codex width of about 19 cm...and an average vellum page thickness of 0.7 mm...the surface area of the bottom edge of an average page would be about 1.3 cm

assuming the books are arranged so that they are sitting on their ends...like books on a bookshelf...you could fit about 1 quintillion pages on the earth's total land area...

conservatively assuming that the books are on shelves two meters high...and assuming an average codex height of 25 cm...you could fit another 7 quintillion pages...for a total of 8 quintillion pages...

conservatively assuming one story per page...that is 8 quintillion noteworthy things jesus did...showing all the zeroes that is 8,000,000,000,000,000,000

if jesus lived about thirty-five years...then he would have had to do 7 billion noteworthy things per second...

my conclusion is that we are not supposed to take john's statement literally...after all he only said 'i suppose'
Couldn't have computed this one better myself. And I'm a math professor. That's an A for extra credit.
 

crossnote

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Someday I'll have to tell you a slide rule story my math prof told me (back when slide rulers was all we had).
 

Dotann

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Couldn't have computed this one better myself. And I'm a math professor. That's an A for extra credit.
For me, because i choose to believe the bible literally and my faith is big, I believe that Jesus really has fulfilled this statement as He is still alive today right? And He IS God Right? And my bible says, nothing is impossible with God? So He has had a lot more years than 35 to complete these accomplishments as i know of many miracles He has done in my life alone not written in the bible!

Who has ever counted up all the miracles between then the bibles times and now? I don't think anyone can or ever will, accept Jesus Himself and you know, I think because of His wonderful grace and humility, He is the kind of guy, who doesn't care about keeping records or boasting about such things just to add them to a list.. But if they are to help His people, then who knows, they might be wrote down some place? And when we get to Heaven, we all can just ask Him...

I for one, would like to know about all the miracles He has performed for me alone in my life, just to have a greater understanding of His love for me to realize in a deeper clarity, that My Lords been with me all along even when i didn't know it! Wow what an awesome God have I! :)
 
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kenisyes

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Let me state the question again. How many miracles, classified by category, are mentioned in the Bible that were worked by Jesus, during the time of His ministry on earth? Not how many did He do altogether, but only those mentioned in the Bible. It is not an impossible question to make some kind of estimate. We have the gospels, all we have to is read them, and keep a tally. So it would seem, but I am running into some trouble when I try to compare the four gospels, and here and there I need other opinions for things like "He healed all of their diseases", which require an estimate that may require some discussion, as to just how many are implied in the word "their".
 
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piper27

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Great way to get us digging into the word. :)

"He healed all of their diseases", which require an estimate that may require some discussion, as to just how many are implied in the word "their".

Could we also look at the implications of the word 'all' in this sentence?
 

crossnote

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In that case..."Lockyer author of 'All the Miracles in the Bible'
 
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kenisyes

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Great way to get us digging into the word. :)

"He healed all of their diseases", which require an estimate that may require some discussion, as to just how many are implied in the word "their".

Could we also look at the implications of the word 'all' in this sentence?
Personally, I think being a Greek "all", it means "all" no exceptions. But I note a fine point. It does not say He healed everyone who came to Him with a disease, but that He healed all the different illnesses. So, if 20 people came, and 10 had the flu, 3 had cancer, 4 had hepetitis, and 3 had gout, it would be enough if He only healed 1 of flu, 1 of cancer, 1 of hepetitis, and 1 of gout, for a total of 4. He would have healed all the diseases, but not all the people. Somehow, I don't think that's what it means. A person wouldn't knit-pick like that. It's clear the person who wrote this was impressed by Jesus' healing everyone, and maybe he just said it wrong. But it's God who wrote it, you see, so I wonder....
 
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kenisyes

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In that case..."Lockyer author of 'All the Miracles in the Bible'
I looked at the previews in Google books. In the first 1/3 of the section on Jesus' miracles, he lists 25. That would give us a total esimate of 75. BUT, I noticed that in the narrative (almost 140 pages long), he sometimes buries more miracles under certain headings, like the 7 people Jesus healed on the Sabbath. Given the presentation, wouldn't a direct count by paging through the gospels be less time consuming?
 
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piper27

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Personally, I think being a Greek "all", it means "all" no exceptions. But I note a fine point. It does not say He healed everyone who came to Him with a disease, but that He healed all the different illnesses. So, if 20 people came, and 10 had the flu, 3 had cancer, 4 had hepetitis, and 3 had gout, it would be enough if He only healed 1 of flu, 1 of cancer, 1 of hepetitis, and 1 of gout, for a total of 4. He would have healed all the diseases, but not all the people. Somehow, I don't think that's what it means. A person wouldn't knit-pick like that. It's clear the person who wrote this was impressed by Jesus' healing everyone, and maybe he just said it wrong. But it's God who wrote it, you see, so I wonder....
That is a fine point Ken. A very fine point. Should we look at other healing scriptures? The character of God perhaps?
I mean, would God choose to heal one, and not another? What would the criteria be?
 
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kenisyes

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My questions exactly Piper. Any opinions you care to share? You know what happens when someone posts here "let's go by experience".
 
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Nancyer

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Ken, I love this explanation. Tomorrow I will be reading scripture and closing the Sunday Service and was thinking I wanted something to say or read to the congregation before the last hymn and our benediction. This is perfect, thank you. Is there specific scripture you can direct me to regarding what John says about all the miracles? Thank you again,
Ken, as I said I was to close our service on Sunday morning. Imagine my surprise when Pastor Bob used the book of John for his basis (chapter 20:19-29), which I read to the congregation prior to the sermon. And he changed the order of the service so I ended up with a little extra time once I got to the pulpit, after Pastor Bob left. I read your explanation, got a nice little applause and I ended it with "remember, you only have to have the faith of a mustard seed to move a mountain, but you have to believe it was your faith, not the earthquake, that moved that mountain." Hope you like that. Thank you again.
 
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kenisyes

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Ken, as I said I was to close our service on Sunday morning. Imagine my surprise when Pastor Bob used the book of John for his basis (chapter 20:19-29), which I read to the congregation prior to the sermon. And he changed the order of the service so I ended up with a little extra time once I got to the pulpit, after Pastor Bob left. I read your explanation, got a nice little applause and I ended it with "remember, you only have to have the faith of a mustard seed to move a mountain, but you have to believe it was your faith, not the earthquake, that moved that mountain." Hope you like that. Thank you again.
If you don't have the verse, it's John 21:25, the last verse in the Gospel of John.
 
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piper27

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First, what does the finished work of the cross actually mean?
I believe this could be a great place to start.
 
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kenisyes

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Piper, how would this apply to the OP? Are you saying that maybe our experience today isn't applicable to the question, because the work of the cross was not completed when Jesus was ministering on earth? It seems if anything, we would get more healings today because the work is "completed". It seems to me, most people feel Jesus got more because "He was God". So I have been told from childhood. The argument would then be that these people are wrong.
 

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count the number of day from the beginning till now, subtract one, then multiple by a 1000.