Crooked made Straight

[dcontroversal]

Solomon said the following....

That which is crooked cannot be made straight!

Other than a human soul/spirit which can be re-born and made righteous by the blood of Christ being applied by faith what is your view on the following....

Can something that is false, incorrect, Pagan, of men, of the devil, wrong and any other word of like caliber and order be "Christianized" and made acceptable unto God?

The bible states that If it is not of God it is of sin.......

What do you think?

 

[inthewind]

[h=1]Ephesians 5:8-14[/h] [SUP]8 [/SUP]For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: [SUP]9 [/SUP](for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth [SUP]10 [/SUP]proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

 

[dcontroversal]

Ephesians 5:8-14

[SUP]8 [/SUP]For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: [SUP]9 [/SUP](for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth [SUP]10 [/SUP]proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

I appreciate the scripture.....I made note of a human soul/spirit and the ability for it to be changed and made right before God based upon being born again.......How does the verses listed apply to the things that are not of God...can something that has it's origin in something other than God be "Christianized" and made acceptable unto God....!

 

[3Scoreand10]

I appreciate the scripture.....I made note of a human soul/spirit and the ability for it to be changed and made right before God based upon being born again.......How does the verses listed apply to the things that are not of God...can something that has it's origin in something other than God be "Christianized" and made acceptable unto God....!

Only in the depraved mine of sinful men.
The answer is no!

 

[Reborn]

No.
You can't take something that has a crooked origin, and make it straight,
.....but we all know, you can take something straight and make it crooked.

 

[psychomom]

what about...that which is crooked can't be made straight...by us?

but God...He's in the heavens and does whatever He pleases.

 

[Reborn]

what about...that which is crooked can't be made straight...by us?

but God...He's in the heavens and does whatever He pleases.

I know God can do that, silly.
DC wasn't asking that though.

I do love the "safe" answer though.
LOL, you crack me up Ellie.

 

[psychomom]

I know God can do that, silly.
DC wasn't asking that though.

wasn't he?

oops...nvm.

 

[Joidevivre]

I will make the crooked (elevated) places straight - Isa. 45:2

The crooked shall be made straight - Isa. 40:4

How would you interpret that?

 

[Hizikyah]

I will make the crooked (elevated) places straight - Isa. 45:2

The crooked shall be made straight - Isa. 40:4

How would you interpret that?

Has this already happened?

Or will the crooked places be made straight when Messiah returns?

 

[dcontroversal]

No.
You can't take something that has a crooked origin, and make it straight,
.....but we all know, you can take something straight and make it crooked.

Amen to this......and I agree......!

 

[dcontroversal]

I will make the crooked (elevated) places straight - Isa. 45:2

The crooked shall be made straight - Isa. 40:4

How would you interpret that?

Does this not have to do with the Lord......???

 

[dcontroversal]

what about...that which is crooked can't be made straight...by us?

but God...He's in the heavens and does whatever He pleases.

I agree that God can do what He wants within the perimeters of his word and eternal Holiness, but the question was....can something that has it's roots in evil be Christianized (by men) and made acceptable unto God?<-----this is what I meant by the OP

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Ecclesiastes 1:14
I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit. 15That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.

My thoughts,....... You can't make something that is wrong....... right, no matter how one attempts to justify it.

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
James 4:7-9
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

 

[psychomom]

I agree that God can do what He wants within the perimeters of his word and eternal Holiness, but the question was....can something that has it's roots in evil be Christianized (by men) and made acceptable unto God?<-----this is what I meant by the OP

ugh. i'm reminding myself of this character Gilda Radnor used to play on SNL
when i was in high school...
sorry and thanks for explaining.

i'll just hush and learn now.

 

[Servant_of_God]

No.
You can't take something that has a crooked origin, and make it straight,
.....but we all know, you can take something straight and make it crooked.

Ecclesiastes 1

13 And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.
14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
15 That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.

The "crooked" is the rich. Those who are "wanting" are the poor!

Proverbs 22


7 The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.
8 He that soweth iniquity shall reap vanity: and the rod of his anger shall fail.
9 He that hath a bountiful eye shall be blessed; for he giveth of his bread to the poor.
10 Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.

It is the "rich" that are the crooked, and they rule over those that are "poor" and wanting! They, in order to CONTINUE to be rich and the "lender", continue to sow iniquity!

Matthew 19


20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.


The "rich" in their "crooked" state cannot be saved unless God intervenes!

Isaiah 42


13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.
14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.
15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools.
16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant?
20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
13 The Lord shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.
14 I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour at once.
15 I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools.
16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant?
20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

This will happen with the worldwide economic collapse! Then, that money and gold will turn back into paper and shiny rocks! And all that was lifeless that we called "God" will be taken from us!

 

[Hizikyah]

Solomon said the following....

That which is crooked cannot be made straight!

Other than a human soul/spirit which can be re-born and made righteous by the blood of Christ being applied by faith what is your view on the following....

Can something that is false, incorrect, Pagan, of men, of the devil, wrong and any other word of like caliber and order be "Christianized" and made acceptable unto God?

The bible states that If it is not of God it is of sin.......

What do you think?

I would say no way, impossible. If these verses said, "may" or "if they choose to" I would say yes, but the word(s) used is, "must" and "must not"


Yahchanan (John) 4:24, "Yahweh is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth."

Deuteronomy 12:30-31, “Be careful not to be ensnared into following them by asking about their gods, saying: How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same. You must not worship Yahweh your Father in their way."

 

[4enlightment]

Solomon said the following....

That which is crooked cannot be made straight!

Other than a human soul/spirit which can be re-born and made righteous by the blood of Christ being applied by faith what is your view on the following....

Can something that is false, incorrect, Pagan, of men, of the devil, wrong and any other word of like caliber and order be "Christianized" and made acceptable unto God?

The bible states that If it is not of God it is of sin.......

What do you think?

With mankind, it is impossible to do, but with God, all things are possible.

 

[oldthennew]

for us, this says it all:

JOB 14:4.
Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one.

if we adopt any tradition of man and try to make it a religious tradition
or command, then we commit 'Christian phariseeism'.

this time of year, it is very wide-spread.

 

[dcontroversal]

I would say no way, impossible. If these verses said, "may" or "if they choose to" I would say yes, but the word(s) used is, "must" and "must not"


Yahchanan (John) 4:24, "Yahweh is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth."

Deuteronomy 12:30-31, “Be careful not to be ensnared into following them by asking about their gods, saying: How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same. You must not worship Yahweh your Father in their way."

I agree and will add that it seems evident that something that has it's roots in evil cannot be "Christianized" and made acceptable unto God....God has already established every requirement and acceptable practice and or mode of worship.....just like worship....God is Spirit and they that worship him MUST worship him in Spirit and in Truth......