Curious Questions.

JustinFromTwinCities · Jan 27, 2015

The thing you have to realize, is that many people say and even believe they are Christians however they do not walk by the Spirit and are sinful people on the inside. They will keep on sinning and living in the flesh and when judgement day comes Christ said "Matthew 7:22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'"

Only people who live by the Spirit and conform themselves to Christ are true Christians. And yes, for those people, who daily take up their cross and crucify their sinful nature... There truly is no sin. For if we stumble and sin, yet desire to do good, than it is not we who sin but our flesh as Paul said. ( I too have heard that Paul is a false prophet, but the people making those claims simply don't understand spiritual things). Don't take my word for it though, study for yourself

posthuman · Jan 27, 2015

do we need to obey the law?
yes, nowhere in the scripture is lawlessness encouraged as being a fit state for us in Christ -- but which law is it that we need to obey? it's not Moses' law, because our priest is not of Levi, and our covenant is not through Moses.

Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.
(Hebrews 7:11-12)

JustinFromTwinCities · Jan 27, 2015

In Matthew 22 Jesus said the law and the prophets is summed up in this : To love. That is what replaced the law for those in the new covenent , if you truly love then you do not sin. Love is self sacrificing and occurs on the inside. That is what the law was unable to address and the reason why it is imperfect.

So was the law done away with? no, we still follow the law in a sense. But we do it by becoming love ourselves through Christ and the Holy Spirit

RickyZ · Jan 27, 2015

Jesus didn't come to cancel out the law, but to pay the penalty for us breaking it. It's like God put up a speed limit sign and said we have to pay the fine for speeding every time we break it. But then He says, if we will accept it, the speed limit is still in effect but He has someone Who's willing to pay the fine for us instead. It's still a good idea not to speed, but we don't go to jail for our failure to comply with it.

posthuman · Jan 27, 2015

aktheboss1 said:

yes, ALL your sin can be blotted out. that is EXACTLY the point of Jesus coming and doing what He did for us

one atonement for all is what He did on the cross!

as He told His prophets:

I, I am he
who blots out your transgressions for my own sake,
and I will not remember your sins.
(Isaiah 43:25)

“Look, the days are coming” — this is the Lord’s declaration — “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.
This one will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt — a covenant they broke even though I had married them” — the Lord’s declaration.
“Instead, this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days” — the Lord’s declaration.
“I will put My teaching within them and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be My people.
No longer will one teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least to the greatest of them” — this is the Lord’s declaration.
“For I will forgive their wrongdoing and never again remember their sin.”
(Jeremiah 31:31-34)

He will again have compassion on us;
he will tread our iniquities underfoot.
You will cast all our sins
into the depths of the sea.
(Micah 7:19)

this is why we call His name "Wonderful" !!

aktheboss1 · Jan 27, 2015

Thanks everyone for the replies, but like i said, theres alot more to it.

I dont even think Jesus died for our sins but ill save that for another day and another Thread llmaoo..

Im pretty much going agnostic .. I just lost faith... But honestly i feel like Jesus is telling me something else.
At least i feel safe saying it on here because none of you can hurt me for saying this haha,, but again no offense.

My beliefs are my beliefs and evidence is solid..

Goodnight!!

posthuman · Jan 27, 2015

aktheboss1 said:

until you believe this, nothing else that any of us who believe say will be anything but foolishness to you.

aktheboss1 · Jan 27, 2015

posthuman said:

Maybe thats what it is.. Thanks. Never looked at it that way

RickyZ · Jan 27, 2015

aktheboss1 said:

So, you believe that a guy you don't believe is alive is telling you something? Yeah, that sounds as solid as Swiss cheese.

aktheboss1 · Jan 27, 2015

RickyZ said:

Who says i dont believe in Jesus.. Go read my other posts
I just think there was more to it then just him coming and dieing for our sins. He would of told us that we dont need men to say that for us..

God said in the OT the fools are the ones who put trust in man.

Jesus says he came to preach the word of God and the Heaven (Kingdom) of God.

Thats why i believe he came.. we dont need men to come in and say different things.

JustinFromTwinCities · Jan 27, 2015

seek and you'll find aktheboss1. No true Christian would hurt you, only the fake ones lol

fredjames · Jan 27, 2015

aktheboss1 said:

Apostle Paul in no greater than JESUS because he is an instrument personally chosen by JESUS and for JESUS. Apostle Peter's confession in his epistle speaks about Paul's teachings, that;

'Apostle Paul's teachings are sometimes difficult to understand but some have taken his teachings and have twisted them'

Please forgive and pray for these twisted in their minds 'twisters', of the Holy Bible Spiritual knowledge, They are like 'crooked lawyers' who seek 'loopholes' in the law, in order for them and their client to 'evade' the written law covenant of a citizen, whose itching ears love to listen to twisted law doctrine, in order to suite their continuous sinful youthful passions and it's desires remain in carnal/flesh fruits and mix with the fruits of SPIRIT/spirit dual divided lives.

In the letters to the Romans and Galatians, Apostle Paul addresses to the 'wise and prudent' Jew and Gentile believers, who remain in their previous Jew of gentile roots, of carnal/flesh desires, who still uphold the teachings of their ancestors of religious laws and traditions and all their physical practiced good deeds, that is wise to be introduced once again and practiced in their 'new lives', for their further acceptance to GOD.

That is why Apostle Paul says, that GRACE is of no use at all, if what is of carnal/flesh, the 'law of bondage' to sin and death of the past is once again introduced and practiced once again in pleasing GOD.

When he refers to the 'law', he refers to the Covenant of Moses's GOD given laws, practiced by the Jews or in it's likeness, in nature GOD's laws that are written in the hearts of Gentiles (Romans chapter 1 & 2).

He never included the New Covenant of GOD, of Grace and Truth, the 'law of liberty' of the resurrecting HOLY SPIRIT, to Eternal Life, brought and taught by our LORD JESUS CHRIST from Heaven, beginning from the 'Sermon On The Mount', giving them 'freely', to a just redeemed people, who were baptized not only of water but also of the SPIRIT and also fire, in order for them to 'abide' and bear much fruits and their fruits(the church), must also 'abide'.

Please do not waste time nor reason out with such believers who will slow you and make you doubt your learned faith. If you believe as you are taught by the HOLY SPIRIT, and in faith testify them by not doubting, then stand on them.

'Please GOD and not men, even though they may write you off to the ignorant persecutors'. We have not been given a Gospel of entirely pleasing and accepting by men, saved or unsaved, but at a point of time comes laying down of one's life for the sake of the remain ignorant, whom once we were the same before.

Thank you and be blessed in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

wwjd_kilden · Jan 27, 2015

you contradict yourself. You believe in Jesus, who came to open the road to god, but you become agnostic (= don't know if there is a god). If there is no god, Jesus was a fraud. If you believe in what Jesus said, there MUST be a god. THE God.

Tintin · Jan 27, 2015

As Christians we don't follow the Law because we are no longer subject to it. The Law doesn't save us, the Law is there to help us to realise our sinful identity and our need for the Saviour. Then, the Holy Spirit brings us to a saving knowledge of Christ and His gracious sacrifice. As Christians Jesus commands us to 'love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments." (Matthew 22:37-40)

Dan58 · Jan 27, 2015

Of course Christians should follow the law.. Little things like "Thou shall not murder" and "Thou shalt not steal" aren't rules that Christians are at liberty to ignore. And Jesus was Immanuel (God with us). He was God manifested in the flesh. He said, "Me and my Father are one" and "If ye have seen me, you've seen my Father". Consider that when Jesus was tempted in the wilderness by the devil, he told him; "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God". That would seem to be a direct proclamation of who he was.

I wouldn't form my believe on the opinions of others, but establish it in the written word of God. None of the new testament writers contradicted anything that Jesus taught, their letters are confirmation of what Jesus taught.

Tintin · Jan 27, 2015

Dan58 said:

But if you 'love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind... and love your neighbor as yourself', you will choose to honour God and people by not murdering, stealing etc. It's about being obedient to Christ, out of love for Him and what He's done, not because the Law saves, it doesn't. The Law is all or nothing. You can't pick and choose which parts to follow. As Christians we no longer live under the burden of the Law.

birdie · Jan 27, 2015

Each person has his own beliefs and that is your prerogative. Could you elaborate on what you are using as evidence and I guess you are using this to prove the agnostic view which you say is solid. As I understand agnostic, it means: a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

fredjames · Jan 27, 2015

fredjames said:

As it is written and said to, and about the 'blind guides', the Pharisees, who have 'overlooked' the other parts of the written Scripture and together understand them as sound doctrine knowledge by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT. This is in order for them to 'see' and come out of their carnal/flesh understanding ignorance and blindness, when they themselves do not get in and they forbid others from getting in as well, that;

"The blind leading the blind and soon they are going to fall into a ditch."

The HOLY SPIRIT that they so little know and brag about, by using partial Scripture quote to their preference, also further quotes, to these only 'milk' consumers, still as babes in CHRIST and comfortable being in their 'comfort zone', according to their carnal/fleshly necessities and pleasures, in ignorance to the full knowledge, in order to 'grow up' also consuming 'meat', about Spiritual knowledge of practices written in the teachings of 'spirit' and 'life' that also came out from the mouth of the Living CHRIST, that;

"All Scripture are breathed out by GOD(by the HOLY SPIRIT) and profitable for TEACHING, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION and for TRAINING IN RIGHTEOUSNESS, that the man of GOD may be competent, equipped for every Good work."

"Everyone who goes on ahead and does not 'abide' in the teaching of CHRIST, does not have GOD."

When we 'abide', we also learn in them, HE calls;

"Everyone then who hears/listens to these words/teachings of mine and does/practice them, will be like a wise man .........................................................".

It is written to those who have gone on ahead from these teachings of CHRIST, that is to be practiced in obedience to GOD and ignorantly labor for the Kingdom continuing in their gifts and totally relying on the HOLY SPIRIT, to even practice these teachings from within them and for them, due to their imperfection, and live to brag about it to the LORD, on that day of the LORD, and HE will only declare to such ignorant ones that;

"I never knew you, depart from me, you workers of 'lawlessness'."

newbirth · Jan 27, 2015

Tintin said:

As Christians we don't follow the Law because we are no longer subject to it. The Law doesn't save us, the Law is there to help us to realise our sinful identity and our need for the Saviour. Then, the Holy Spirit brings us to a saving knowledge of Christ and His gracious sacrifice. As Christians Jesus commands us to 'love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments." (Matthew 22:37-40)

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

john832 · Jan 27, 2015

aktheboss1 said:

So if you don't know the Law you won't sin? Ignorance of the Law IS an excuse?

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