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Im not looking to follow a RELIGION.
Im looking to follow the ONE original RELIGION that GOD created for us humans and abraham, moses and jesus preached.
Day by day im understanding that christianity was just a branch from that religion, but we twisted and created our own rules.
I like islam, the word itself means Submisison, and i wouldnt be leaving jesus . Please dont reply your really making me sad
I'm sorry but as long as you post false over false about christianity and Jesus Christ, I will continue to reply.
You don't like to find out that you have gross misconceptions about us? I thought that's what you were here for. Are you honest with yourself or not?
It looks like you made your mind that you like Islam. Go ahead, friend. Become muslim. I only ask you as polite as I can, stop spreading lies and false about Jesus Christ and us. Can you do that?
You don't like to find out that you have gross misconceptions about us? I thought that's what you were here for. Are you honest with yourself or not?
It looks like you made your mind that you like Islam. Go ahead, friend. Become muslim. I only ask you as polite as I can, stop spreading lies and false about Jesus Christ and us. Can you do that?
This thread has been nothing but dishonesty of the OP, beginning with the thread title. I said back on the first page, why arent you honest with us, and indeed, you had hidden the real purpose of your posting. Was it so hard to say honestly "I am considering becoming a Muslim as I dont believe the divinity of Jesus anymore"? It's not like any Christian will stone you, even if you said it in real life. But hey, if you become a muslim you will have reasons to fear of such! Still you have come to this forum by the will of God, who gave you an opportunity to hear an admonition. I've prayed a lot about this post so I wouldnt speak with my flesh because denial of Christ did anger me, and I pray to the creator of Heaven and earth, that you will hear what I will say now.
As seed_time_harvest said, Jesus is the only one that ever lived who never sinned. No man (incl. Mohammad) was able to do that so it should be kinda obvious who Jesus is. God is not a hypocrite either: by definition every virtue must be found perfect in God. God cannot require of men any virtue that He does not ultimately possess being a perfect example, otherwise he is a hypocrite. God is not exempt to justice just because He is its author. Quite contrary, He excels in justice. Think about virtues as humbleness and obedience which God demands from man. If God does not possess a virtue then He has no right to require it of another, or in other words, demanding something from others but not doing it towards them renders one a HYPOCRITE. You know, the thing that the Pharisees did. And there's no going around this. No other god possesses these virtues, except One True God who has come down from Heaven to save His creatures. Our God did not just look down at men dying like flies from His high throne saying "who cares?". But He came down to save us and humbled Himself even unto death for that purpose (Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.)
The Bible even tells us that God was resolved to not rest until we are saved (Isa 62:1)! A heartcrushing love of God. Halleluyah! Love, mercy, forgiveness, righteousness, patience, humbleness, obedience, faithfulness, truthfulness, stability, purity... All goodness is in Him and the King of the universe served us and washed our feet. We did not deserve it, but because He has done this, He deserves to be exalted and served forever. He has shown and proven Himself a perfect example of every virtue in Jesus Christ. He is God made manifest to us in flesh.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
But Muslim god lacks these virtues, besides the virtue to love enemies and forgive them (that alone is a red flag because even any wicked man is able to love friends only, but it takes tzedek to love enemies); loving enemies is a completely foreign concept to the god of Quran because it is another god. The only reason why there seems to be resemblance is because Mohammad heard things from Khadija who was a catholic and because he has heard and - quite distortedly - recalled in Quran some accounts he has heard from Jews. Then the principle of abrogation, the god of Quran is fickle like the woman in Rigoletto, changing decrees every now and then as Mohammad moved into different areas, with more or less favorable circumstances to force people to accept his religion, according to which the "revelations" went yoyo from "kill them all" to "islam is peace". While the Word of God stands forever and is fulfilled to the jot in Jesus Christ. I trust the God who is unchangeable and gets it right the first time. Praying that God will open your eyes to know the truth, hopefully before it is too late.
[video=youtube;HUs8f-lphec]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUs8f-lphec[/video]
As seed_time_harvest said, Jesus is the only one that ever lived who never sinned. No man (incl. Mohammad) was able to do that so it should be kinda obvious who Jesus is. God is not a hypocrite either: by definition every virtue must be found perfect in God. God cannot require of men any virtue that He does not ultimately possess being a perfect example, otherwise he is a hypocrite. God is not exempt to justice just because He is its author. Quite contrary, He excels in justice. Think about virtues as humbleness and obedience which God demands from man. If God does not possess a virtue then He has no right to require it of another, or in other words, demanding something from others but not doing it towards them renders one a HYPOCRITE. You know, the thing that the Pharisees did. And there's no going around this. No other god possesses these virtues, except One True God who has come down from Heaven to save His creatures. Our God did not just look down at men dying like flies from His high throne saying "who cares?". But He came down to save us and humbled Himself even unto death for that purpose (Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.)
The Bible even tells us that God was resolved to not rest until we are saved (Isa 62:1)! A heartcrushing love of God. Halleluyah! Love, mercy, forgiveness, righteousness, patience, humbleness, obedience, faithfulness, truthfulness, stability, purity... All goodness is in Him and the King of the universe served us and washed our feet. We did not deserve it, but because He has done this, He deserves to be exalted and served forever. He has shown and proven Himself a perfect example of every virtue in Jesus Christ. He is God made manifest to us in flesh.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
But Muslim god lacks these virtues, besides the virtue to love enemies and forgive them (that alone is a red flag because even any wicked man is able to love friends only, but it takes tzedek to love enemies); loving enemies is a completely foreign concept to the god of Quran because it is another god. The only reason why there seems to be resemblance is because Mohammad heard things from Khadija who was a catholic and because he has heard and - quite distortedly - recalled in Quran some accounts he has heard from Jews. Then the principle of abrogation, the god of Quran is fickle like the woman in Rigoletto, changing decrees every now and then as Mohammad moved into different areas, with more or less favorable circumstances to force people to accept his religion, according to which the "revelations" went yoyo from "kill them all" to "islam is peace". While the Word of God stands forever and is fulfilled to the jot in Jesus Christ. I trust the God who is unchangeable and gets it right the first time. Praying that God will open your eyes to know the truth, hopefully before it is too late.
[video=youtube;HUs8f-lphec]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUs8f-lphec[/video]
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Some small insight to that Matthew 10:18 verse you posted, he was addressing Hebrews. Hebrews had the law. In Romans 2 we see some more insight into the difference in Jews and Gentiles
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
This passage seems to outline that although we do not necessarily have what is known as "the law", His laws are written on our hearts. In short, I'd say it's more about loving Him and listening to that still, small voice inside you that says you either should or should not do a certain thing. He put that there for a reason.
Always with prayerful consideration and heart to serve. I think Paul's word is largely over and misused, personally. And his word is by no means greater than our savior's. The best course of action I could offer is to continue to relish in his word, continue to seek after His will in your life, and not to be discouraged by all of the "difference of opinion" that exists in the body of Christ. The truth is that we're all imperfect and capable of misinterpreting scripture. We're actually not meant to quibble about scripture, but to REASON with one another regarding the application to our lives. So if you have a specific moral question, and you pray over it, read the word, and fellowship with your brothers, asking them for prayerful guidance, I think you'll do just fine. I have a friend who struggles very much with the same "coming into his own" thing. He was raised Mormon. And, topic by topic, he's finding his own relationship with the Savior and finding answers to questions he was never able to ask before. I'll be praying for you!
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
This passage seems to outline that although we do not necessarily have what is known as "the law", His laws are written on our hearts. In short, I'd say it's more about loving Him and listening to that still, small voice inside you that says you either should or should not do a certain thing. He put that there for a reason.
Always with prayerful consideration and heart to serve. I think Paul's word is largely over and misused, personally. And his word is by no means greater than our savior's. The best course of action I could offer is to continue to relish in his word, continue to seek after His will in your life, and not to be discouraged by all of the "difference of opinion" that exists in the body of Christ. The truth is that we're all imperfect and capable of misinterpreting scripture. We're actually not meant to quibble about scripture, but to REASON with one another regarding the application to our lives. So if you have a specific moral question, and you pray over it, read the word, and fellowship with your brothers, asking them for prayerful guidance, I think you'll do just fine. I have a friend who struggles very much with the same "coming into his own" thing. He was raised Mormon. And, topic by topic, he's finding his own relationship with the Savior and finding answers to questions he was never able to ask before. I'll be praying for you!The LAW that you Scripture 'pick' out of the whole context and give to us does not move us at all, for they are partially understood and i enjoyed this 'milk' knowledge at beginning of my journey with CHRIST of the Scripture, by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT, and i say this with all due respect to you.
You your 'self' have not listen to everything i have replied, because you have not taken time to read and listen to them and pray and allow the HOLY SPIRIT fill them to your remembrance of the Holy Bible lessons, that you should 'continue' everyday with the HOLY SPIRIT or GOD has hid these from you and others for now and may be if you start to 'continue' in them, HE wills you to know. In lessons to us to 'wise up' is, during the time of the Prophets tha GOD chose randomly, without people knowing, spoke for GOD, mainly about their act of 'abomination' against GOD. They did not take time to listen to their true Prophets who were few and false prophets were many. They judge the true by 'appearances', who is he? where did he came from?, many of them who were 'wise and prudent' and also 'influential' in the community but yet a few 'ordinary people' recognize them.
The same thing you ask me about who do i think i am, the same 'wise and prudent' officials ask these poor Prophets, why GOD did not speak, what you speak to and through HIS official religious servants, HE has appointed for the congregation Israel? But HE speaks through you, who we do not know of and heard of?
After some time later, when they already 'got rid' of this true prophets who brought them 'convicting' bad news from GOD and things spoken by them did come true, they then began to remember and honor this true prophets, further 'down the line' writing about them and what they have spoken and their descendant listeners and witnesses to them, later upon realizing, erects monuments, in honor of them. And during CHRIST's reign as their MESSIAH. HE corrected such dedication to commemorate the Prophets, show their sorrow in regret of their ancestor's misconduct, also accuses them as 'partaken' in their 'murders', of this 'truth reminders and cautioning prophets of GOD.
The 'false' prophets mostly, on the other hand, got away with everything. Their lies were welcomed generously by any community.
Even in the immediate family itself, serving their GOD for the congregation of Israel, Aaron and Miriam opposed Moses, that GOD did not speak only through him. And what happened to Miriam and it also became a lesson to Aaron?
In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, 'Peace be with you' and please do not also oppose if you do not 'get it' now, with all due respect to you, infant in CHRIST
Please learn first, GOD's ways and wills, that HE will choose anyone HE prefers to 'go for HIM'. HIS redeemed people do not recognize HIS reminders and warnings of HIS given Covenant, then what else the Prophets do?
That 'Law' that Apostle Paul speaks about is the Old Covenant Law of Moses to the Jews and quite in similarity written in the hearts of Gentiles. But he did not nullify the Law of CHRIST of Grace and Truth of the New Covenant.
If truly believe CHRIST and HIS words/teachings, what it is you and others like you do not understand, about HIMsaying to those who believe, to 'abide' in HIS 'words' AND 'love' written in the Gospel of John and 'practice/does' these 'words' of mine written in the Gospel of Matthew?
"Your heart is far away from these that are spoken in sound doctrine knowledge understanding to you, from the written Holy Bible, taught by the HOLY SPIRIT.
You do not have to continue with me if you still disagree and let the witnesses decide which is of Grace and Truth.
May the Good GOD, the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you.
You your 'self' have not listen to everything i have replied, because you have not taken time to read and listen to them and pray and allow the HOLY SPIRIT fill them to your remembrance of the Holy Bible lessons, that you should 'continue' everyday with the HOLY SPIRIT or GOD has hid these from you and others for now and may be if you start to 'continue' in them, HE wills you to know. In lessons to us to 'wise up' is, during the time of the Prophets tha GOD chose randomly, without people knowing, spoke for GOD, mainly about their act of 'abomination' against GOD. They did not take time to listen to their true Prophets who were few and false prophets were many. They judge the true by 'appearances', who is he? where did he came from?, many of them who were 'wise and prudent' and also 'influential' in the community but yet a few 'ordinary people' recognize them.
The same thing you ask me about who do i think i am, the same 'wise and prudent' officials ask these poor Prophets, why GOD did not speak, what you speak to and through HIS official religious servants, HE has appointed for the congregation Israel? But HE speaks through you, who we do not know of and heard of?
After some time later, when they already 'got rid' of this true prophets who brought them 'convicting' bad news from GOD and things spoken by them did come true, they then began to remember and honor this true prophets, further 'down the line' writing about them and what they have spoken and their descendant listeners and witnesses to them, later upon realizing, erects monuments, in honor of them. And during CHRIST's reign as their MESSIAH. HE corrected such dedication to commemorate the Prophets, show their sorrow in regret of their ancestor's misconduct, also accuses them as 'partaken' in their 'murders', of this 'truth reminders and cautioning prophets of GOD.
The 'false' prophets mostly, on the other hand, got away with everything. Their lies were welcomed generously by any community.
Even in the immediate family itself, serving their GOD for the congregation of Israel, Aaron and Miriam opposed Moses, that GOD did not speak only through him. And what happened to Miriam and it also became a lesson to Aaron?
In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, 'Peace be with you' and please do not also oppose if you do not 'get it' now, with all due respect to you, infant in CHRIST
Please learn first, GOD's ways and wills, that HE will choose anyone HE prefers to 'go for HIM'. HIS redeemed people do not recognize HIS reminders and warnings of HIS given Covenant, then what else the Prophets do?
That 'Law' that Apostle Paul speaks about is the Old Covenant Law of Moses to the Jews and quite in similarity written in the hearts of Gentiles. But he did not nullify the Law of CHRIST of Grace and Truth of the New Covenant.
If truly believe CHRIST and HIS words/teachings, what it is you and others like you do not understand, about HIMsaying to those who believe, to 'abide' in HIS 'words' AND 'love' written in the Gospel of John and 'practice/does' these 'words' of mine written in the Gospel of Matthew?
"Your heart is far away from these that are spoken in sound doctrine knowledge understanding to you, from the written Holy Bible, taught by the HOLY SPIRIT.
You do not have to continue with me if you still disagree and let the witnesses decide which is of Grace and Truth.
May the Good GOD, the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you.
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The trinity was taken out of context. Constantine was actually saying that when the Bible mentions them, that they aren't separate beings, but it is referring to the same being; but that it is all referring to God in different views. I'm going to use this as an example; one part of me want to eat chocolate cake, but the other part of me is saying, not to eat it, because it might have me staying up all night long, wired. I'm not referring there is two being that is in me, but debating to myself as I has more than one mind. Some people has a stern side about them, and they has a softer side as well; but when the two works together as one, becomes a new person; but not like the stern side or the soft side, but in between. God has conformed to this image, and which He is going to stick with it.
2 Samuel 24:16 When the angel stretched out his hand to destroy Jerusalem, the Lord relented concerning the disaster and said to the angel who was afflicting the people, “Enough! Withdraw your hand.” The angel of the Lord was then at the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.
At first, God had shown his sternness, but then later, He shown His weakness; that is two in one.
Galatians 3:20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.
2 Samuel 24:16 When the angel stretched out his hand to destroy Jerusalem, the Lord relented concerning the disaster and said to the angel who was afflicting the people, “Enough! Withdraw your hand.” The angel of the Lord was then at the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.
At first, God had shown his sternness, but then later, He shown His weakness; that is two in one.
Galatians 3:20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.
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If you follow Islam you will be leaving Jesus. Islam does not believe Jesus died and rose again,they simply believe God took him to heaven.Jesus is God and he claimed to be God in Mark 14:62 ....
Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" 62And Jesus said, "I am; and you shall see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."63[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Tearing his clothes, the high priest said, "What further need do we have of witnesses?...[/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Why did the high priest tear his clothes and react in such a dramatic way? Because he knew the Old Testament,he knew what Jesus was saying in that brief statement. He said he was The Son Man, talked about in Daniel 7...
[/FONT] 13"I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14"And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one Which will not be destroyed.
He said He was the I Am,talked about in Exodus...
Exodus 3~Then Moses said to God, "Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you.' Now they may say to me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?" 14God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'" 15God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.…
He said He was sitting at the right hand talked about in Psalms...
Psalm 110:1~A Psalm of David. The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet."
The high priest knew Scripture and that Jesus,in His own words,was claiming to be God. If you choose Islam you are choosing a deception and are being led of satan.I pray you will reconsider this choice.Your soul is at stake.
the gist is meaning to what been said.
then prove it. with scripture. not mindless babble. or hearsay. strange how your speculation passes through judge not or be judge. and he that has not sinned cast the first. and if jesus has fixed the sins of adam in Death in Adam, Life in Christ Romans 5
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how can you follow the full law without a temple of stone. (fact)
when did i ask the opinion of religions teacher ,
14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.1
Romans 2
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did i miss something .
jesus was not into propaganda , he was doing the father will.
god bless you.
then prove it. with scripture. not mindless babble. or hearsay. strange how your speculation passes through judge not or be judge. and he that has not sinned cast the first. and if jesus has fixed the sins of adam in Death in Adam, Life in Christ Romans 5
and
how can you follow the full law without a temple of stone. (fact)
when did i ask the opinion of religions teacher ,
14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.1
Romans 2
acts 15
did i miss something .
jesus was not into propaganda , he was doing the father will.
god bless you.