DANGER OF A FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE
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If you will READ your Bible with out those rose colored glasses, You will find that it was GOD that actually shut the doors of the ARK. Noah was not hiding from GOD. God had already told him, his wife and three sons were perfect (DNA of ADAM).
If it was he who told you to find shelter from his wrath, I would suggest it may have been someone else besides the Father in Heaven. I would be very careful here.
If it was he who told you to find shelter from his wrath, I would suggest it may have been someone else besides the Father in Heaven. I would be very careful here.
M
Well, no....the seals come before God's wrath...because both Joel 2:31 and Rev. 6 echo each other in specifying that the cosmic signs come before God's wrath. All you're doing here is making a bare assertion. Bare assertions don't cut it in the world of discussion/debate. You ought to learn some of the principles of debate before you attempt "debate" - my two cents.
Your dishonesty is quite amazing...in that you have previously made this claim...a rebuttal has then been offered...and now you dishonestly re-introduce the same claim without acknowledging the previous rebuttal...as though there has been no previous rebuttal.
One wonders about your need to proceed continuously and repeatedly in this dishonest manner.
Nevertheless, let us go over this again --
1) There is the abundantly obvious fact that God has gone to the trouble of actually and literally numbering the sequence of events...completely and utterly underscoring and emphasizing the plain and simple fact that the numbered events need to be understood as HAPPENING IN THE SEQUENCE IN WHICH THEY ARE PRESENTED BY NUMBER.
2) There is the abundantly obvious fact that the wicked do NOT begin crying out in alarm until the breaking of the 6th seal. This means, of course, that no "wrath" was present or observable until that time. The wicked were NOT scrambling for the rocks and caves until they saw God's wrath.
3) Thirdly, there is the aforementioned Joel 2:31 which resoundingly echoes and confirms the simple fact that God's wrath does not occur until the appearance of the cosmic signs...a rebuttal which has been presented to you previously innumerable times and which you once again dishonestly sidestep.
4) This "aorist" argument is a concocted argument on the part of unscrupulous PreTrib innovators (C.I. Scofield et al) which you have copycatted. Ironically (for you) the "aorist" tense is so named because it is a tense "without specification" -- "a-orist" ("without place"). It specifically does NOT demand a specific tense - past, present or future. And I previously supplied to you (which you dishonestly brush past and ignore) specific examples in the Bible where this is proven:
Mark 14:41 - "the hour is come [aorist tense]" which was Jesus' reference in the Garden of Gethsemane to His crucifixion. It had NOT happened but was about to. The same thing with Rev.19:7 - "the marriage of the Lamb is come [aorist]". In that passage, the marriage is about to happen but hasn't yet.
I have previously provided both of these scriptures and you dishonestly behave as though this has never been presented to you.
So now you are going to, for the dozenth time, disappear into the mists without response...and then circle back around somewhere down the line and once again dishonestly re-introduce the same pseudo-arguments as though they have never been addressed. A day in the life of a PreTribber, I suppose.
Using "my" reasoning?? No, that would be YOUR "reasoning". Or more accurately, your anti-logic.
And once again, the dishonesty -- I have now twice or three times explained to you how your "reasoning" about Peter, James and John eventually passing from this world...is a failed pseudo-argument. So you dishonestly re-introduce this stuff as though it has never been addressed:
If we are to apply your anti-logical interpretation method...this would mean Jesus' words did NOT apply to Peter, James and John...and therefore Jesus was being untruthful to them...an utter absurdity on your part. Jesus isn't untruthful.
As I have repeatedly explained to you...Jesus completely and totally covered the possibility that Peter, James and John might not survive to see these events...when He clearly stated that He...did...not...know "the day or the hour". The events might very well happen 2000 years from then, for all He knew. Obviously then, it would mean these events would happen to WHOMEVER among Jesus' followers might be on the scene at that time.
But...IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED...in Peter's time. So said Jesus. Therefore, according to PreTrib, Jesus was teaching false doctrine. An obvious absurdity that instantly renders PreTrib invalid.
And as I have asked you and any other PreTribbers...a question every one of you have run away from: If Jesus HAD returned within the lifetimes of Peter, James and John...would they have been raptured in this alleged pre-70th Week "rapture" event...OR...would Jesus have been correct and they would have gone through the Great Tribulation?
Your dishonesty is quite amazing...in that you have previously made this claim...a rebuttal has then been offered...and now you dishonestly re-introduce the same claim without acknowledging the previous rebuttal...as though there has been no previous rebuttal.
One wonders about your need to proceed continuously and repeatedly in this dishonest manner.
Nevertheless, let us go over this again --
1) There is the abundantly obvious fact that God has gone to the trouble of actually and literally numbering the sequence of events...completely and utterly underscoring and emphasizing the plain and simple fact that the numbered events need to be understood as HAPPENING IN THE SEQUENCE IN WHICH THEY ARE PRESENTED BY NUMBER.
2) There is the abundantly obvious fact that the wicked do NOT begin crying out in alarm until the breaking of the 6th seal. This means, of course, that no "wrath" was present or observable until that time. The wicked were NOT scrambling for the rocks and caves until they saw God's wrath.
3) Thirdly, there is the aforementioned Joel 2:31 which resoundingly echoes and confirms the simple fact that God's wrath does not occur until the appearance of the cosmic signs...a rebuttal which has been presented to you previously innumerable times and which you once again dishonestly sidestep.
4) This "aorist" argument is a concocted argument on the part of unscrupulous PreTrib innovators (C.I. Scofield et al) which you have copycatted. Ironically (for you) the "aorist" tense is so named because it is a tense "without specification" -- "a-orist" ("without place"). It specifically does NOT demand a specific tense - past, present or future. And I previously supplied to you (which you dishonestly brush past and ignore) specific examples in the Bible where this is proven:
Mark 14:41 - "the hour is come [aorist tense]" which was Jesus' reference in the Garden of Gethsemane to His crucifixion. It had NOT happened but was about to. The same thing with Rev.19:7 - "the marriage of the Lamb is come [aorist]". In that passage, the marriage is about to happen but hasn't yet.
I have previously provided both of these scriptures and you dishonestly behave as though this has never been presented to you.
So now you are going to, for the dozenth time, disappear into the mists without response...and then circle back around somewhere down the line and once again dishonestly re-introduce the same pseudo-arguments as though they have never been addressed. A day in the life of a PreTribber, I suppose.
Using "my" reasoning?? No, that would be YOUR "reasoning". Or more accurately, your anti-logic.
And once again, the dishonesty -- I have now twice or three times explained to you how your "reasoning" about Peter, James and John eventually passing from this world...is a failed pseudo-argument. So you dishonestly re-introduce this stuff as though it has never been addressed:
If we are to apply your anti-logical interpretation method...this would mean Jesus' words did NOT apply to Peter, James and John...and therefore Jesus was being untruthful to them...an utter absurdity on your part. Jesus isn't untruthful.
As I have repeatedly explained to you...Jesus completely and totally covered the possibility that Peter, James and John might not survive to see these events...when He clearly stated that He...did...not...know "the day or the hour". The events might very well happen 2000 years from then, for all He knew. Obviously then, it would mean these events would happen to WHOMEVER among Jesus' followers might be on the scene at that time.
But...IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED...in Peter's time. So said Jesus. Therefore, according to PreTrib, Jesus was teaching false doctrine. An obvious absurdity that instantly renders PreTrib invalid.
And as I have asked you and any other PreTribbers...a question every one of you have run away from: If Jesus HAD returned within the lifetimes of Peter, James and John...would they have been raptured in this alleged pre-70th Week "rapture" event...OR...would Jesus have been correct and they would have gone through the Great Tribulation?
M
You keep making these strange statements. We're not "asking" for anything - LOL. And are you saying ALL those who are debating Bible prophecy can expect to be "left behind"?? Because plenty of PreTribbers have joined this debate. Only the post-tribbers are wrong to discuss Bible prophecy?
Yes, debating/discussing Bible issues...what a terrible, terrible thing. (?) Please, everyone...let's stop discussing/debating the Bible. Let's go do something more valuable with our time...like watch the "Dancing With the Stars" TV program.
Yes, debating/discussing Bible issues...what a terrible, terrible thing. (?) Please, everyone...let's stop discussing/debating the Bible. Let's go do something more valuable with our time...like watch the "Dancing With the Stars" TV program.
Just as the law and Grace do not mix**** Old Testament law and New Testament Grace**** so the Church and Judgment do not mix*** the Church in The Tribulation is not God's purpose**** God is dealing with Israel and Judgment*** it is the Time of Jacob's Trouble, not the Church's*** it is the Time of the Great Winepress of the Wrath of God, not the Day of Grace*** yes, people will be saved, but it is the gleanings*** the Church is and will be bringing in a great Harvest before the Rapture...
M
What does this have to do with the plain fact that the "day of the Lord" and thus the time of His apocalyptic wrath...does not happen until AFTER the appearance of the great cosmic disturbances??
Joel 2:31 -- "The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood BEFORE the great and awesome day of the Lord."
By the way, were you aware the creepy Antichrist cabalists have long since figured out how to manipulate the weather -- create tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, volcanoes? Uh-oh -- time for you to run screaming to the nearest Starbucks and bury your nose in a Caffe Latte. Documentation below...and a hundred more tons where that came from:
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U.S. Secretary of Defense William Cohen (under Clinton) made the following comments at a conference on terrorism conducted at the University of Georgia (April 28, 1997):
"Others [governments] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations...It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts."
And so here is an article from Wall Street Journal again back in 1997, acknowledging the existence of hurricane-creating technology. and reporting the fact that hurricanes were literally being bought and sold. (from the November 13, 1997 issue--on page A19):
NEWS BRIEF: "MALAYSIA TO BATTLE SMOG WITH CYCLONES", by Chen May Yee, Staff Reporter of the Wall Street Journal, The Wall Street Journal.
"KUALA LUMPUR -- Malaysia's war on smog is about to get a new twist. The government wants to create man-made cyclones [i.e. hurricanes] to scrub away the haze that has plagued Malaysia since July. 'We will use special technology to create an artificial cyclone [hurricane] to clean the air', said Datuk Law Hieng Ding, minister for science, technology and the environment.
The plan calls for the use of new Russian technology to create cyclones -- the giant storms also known as typhoons and hurricanes -- to cause torrential rains, washing the smoke out of the air. The Malaysian cabinet and the finance minister have approved the plan, Datuk Law said. A Malaysian company, BioCure Sdn. Bhd., will sign a memorandum of understanding soon with a government-owned Russian party to produce the cyclone."
"Datuk Law declined to disclose the size of the cyclone to be generated, or the mechanism. 'The details I don't have', he said. He did say, though, that the cyclone generated would be 'quite strong'. Datuk Law also declined to disclose the price of creating the cyclone. But, he said, Malaysia doesn't have to pay if the project doesn't work."
Additional confirmation from the BBC: LINK
Joel 2:31 -- "The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood BEFORE the great and awesome day of the Lord."
By the way, were you aware the creepy Antichrist cabalists have long since figured out how to manipulate the weather -- create tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, volcanoes? Uh-oh -- time for you to run screaming to the nearest Starbucks and bury your nose in a Caffe Latte. Documentation below...and a hundred more tons where that came from:
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U.S. Secretary of Defense William Cohen (under Clinton) made the following comments at a conference on terrorism conducted at the University of Georgia (April 28, 1997):
"Others [governments] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves... So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations...It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts."
And so here is an article from Wall Street Journal again back in 1997, acknowledging the existence of hurricane-creating technology. and reporting the fact that hurricanes were literally being bought and sold. (from the November 13, 1997 issue--on page A19):
NEWS BRIEF: "MALAYSIA TO BATTLE SMOG WITH CYCLONES", by Chen May Yee, Staff Reporter of the Wall Street Journal, The Wall Street Journal.
"KUALA LUMPUR -- Malaysia's war on smog is about to get a new twist. The government wants to create man-made cyclones [i.e. hurricanes] to scrub away the haze that has plagued Malaysia since July. 'We will use special technology to create an artificial cyclone [hurricane] to clean the air', said Datuk Law Hieng Ding, minister for science, technology and the environment.
The plan calls for the use of new Russian technology to create cyclones -- the giant storms also known as typhoons and hurricanes -- to cause torrential rains, washing the smoke out of the air. The Malaysian cabinet and the finance minister have approved the plan, Datuk Law said. A Malaysian company, BioCure Sdn. Bhd., will sign a memorandum of understanding soon with a government-owned Russian party to produce the cyclone."
"Datuk Law declined to disclose the size of the cyclone to be generated, or the mechanism. 'The details I don't have', he said. He did say, though, that the cyclone generated would be 'quite strong'. Datuk Law also declined to disclose the price of creating the cyclone. But, he said, Malaysia doesn't have to pay if the project doesn't work."
Additional confirmation from the BBC: LINK
All i see is people making threads over & over stating the pre tribulations is false & arguing with people. Like Good lord one would think yall really do want to suffer through the tribulation. Be prepared for whatever scenario happens but going back & forth with people all day over it is pointless.
Well said Bladerunner! What they are not understanding or are ignoring, is the fact that Jesus is the One opening the seals. He's the One who treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty, i.e. Jesus is the One who carries out God's wrath and He does it via the seals, trumpets and bowls.
I too have seen this interpretation where people divide tribulation from God's wrath and that in order to support their belief. It is the same thing over and over again. Someone brings up a scripture that disrupts their belief and they grab ahold of an existing apologetic or create one and that in order to circumvent the truth.
Many erroneously exclude the seals as being apart of the God's wrath, because at the opening of the 6th seal, the announcement is made "for the great day of their wrath has come and who can endure." And because of this, they claim that God's wrath follows that announcement, beginning with the 7th seal. If they had paid attention, they would have noticed that there is a similar announcement after the 7th trumpet is sounded:
"We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty,the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign. The nations were angry, and your wrath has come".
Therefore, if we use their same logic, that the wrath follows the announcement after the 6th seal is opened, then we would have to conclude the same here at the 7th trumpet. By the way, the words "has come" in the verse above is also in the Aorist tense. So which is it? So I pose this question to them, does the wrath follow immediately after the 6th seal or after the 7th trumpet?
Aorist tense: A form of a verb in some languages, such as Classical Greek, that expresses action without indicating its completion or continuation
Which means that the statement "the great day of their wrath has comeand who can endure it" also includes the results of the first four seals. Same as with the words "your wrath has comeat the 7th trumpet, includes all of the wrath that previously took place and what is yet to take place.
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Let me see if I understand you right, you believe that the prince to come is the Messiah? If that's true you have a problem, that would mean that Messiah's people will destroy the city and the sanctuary. Do you believe that from the going out of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, ended at the crucifixion, that's why there are 3 and a half years left, is that right?
I see it in a different light, that from the command until Messiah the Prince will be 69 weeks.
A most compelling Biblical Prophecy is found in Daniel, chapter 9, verse 25. Written 500 years before the birth of Jesus Christ (the oldest preserved copy dating 200 years before the birth of Christ), it foretells the very day Christ would enter Jerusalem. The prophecy states: 69 weeks of years (69 x 7 = 483 years) would pass from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, until the coming of the Messiah. This is according to the Babylonian 360-day calendar, since Daniel was written in Babylon during the Jewish captivity after the fall of Jerusalem. Thus, 483 years x 360 days = 173,880 days. According to records found by Sir Henry Creswicke Rawlinson in the Shushan (Susa) Palace, and confirmed in Nehemiah 2:1, this decree was made on March 14th, 445 BC, by Artaxerxes Longimanus. Exactly 173,880 days later, on April 6th, 32 AD, Jesus Christ rode into Jerusalem upon a colt (fulfilling the prophecy in Zechariah 9:9). The world celebrates this day as Palm Sunday. Four days later, Christ was murdered upon the cross. Actually, the form of His execution and even His last words were foretold in Psalm 22. Three days later, Jesus rose from the dead on Easter Sunday, fulfilling numerous other prophecies of our Messiah. http://www.allabouttruth.org/biblical-prophecy
Zechariah 9:9 "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you;righteous and having salvation is he, humble and mounted on a donkey,on a colt, the foal of a donkey."
Fulfilled! Luke 19:41-44 "And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it,42 saying, “Would that you, even you, had known on this day the things that make for peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.43 For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side44 and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation."
483 years, 177,880 days. One more week to deal with the Jews, why? Because of the promise or everlasting covenant, He made with Abraham.
He was crucified on a Thursday around 9am and He made His grave with the wicked on the same day starting at 6am, when He was handed over to Pilate for affliction, mocking, bruising, chastisement, beating, they made His grave with the wicked and with a rich man in His death.
Matthew 27:5760a-b "When it was evening, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who also was a disciple of Jesus.58 He went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate ordered it to be given to him.59 And Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a clean linen shroud60 and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had cut in the rock." So the heart of the earth is not the Tomb, it has to be the grave which was His full payment for our sins that included, what happened when He with Pilate. He was delivered to Pilate early morning.
John 18:28 "Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning (6am). But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover." He rose in early morning.
Luke 24:1-3 "Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning (6am), they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. 3 Then they went in and did not find the body of the Lord Jesus." This is 72 hours that all He told the disciples would happen to Him, verified by the two disciples on the road to Emmaus. Luke 24:13, "Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day (first day of the week) to a village called Emmaus, which was seven miles from Jerusalem......17 And He said to them, “What kind of conversation is this that you have with one another as you walk and are sad?”
18 Then the one whose name was Cleopas answered and said to Him, “Are You the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have You not known the things which happened there in these days?”
19 And He said to them, “What things?”
So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him (heart of the earth). 21 But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened.”
I got the basic idea from amazing facts, I don't agree with it, but that the belly of the earth is His being condemned to death and crucified.
https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/media/e/1170/t/explain-how-jesus-was-in-the-tomb-3-days-/-3-nights-
I see it in a different light, that from the command until Messiah the Prince will be 69 weeks.
A most compelling Biblical Prophecy is found in Daniel, chapter 9, verse 25. Written 500 years before the birth of Jesus Christ (the oldest preserved copy dating 200 years before the birth of Christ), it foretells the very day Christ would enter Jerusalem. The prophecy states: 69 weeks of years (69 x 7 = 483 years) would pass from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, until the coming of the Messiah. This is according to the Babylonian 360-day calendar, since Daniel was written in Babylon during the Jewish captivity after the fall of Jerusalem. Thus, 483 years x 360 days = 173,880 days. According to records found by Sir Henry Creswicke Rawlinson in the Shushan (Susa) Palace, and confirmed in Nehemiah 2:1, this decree was made on March 14th, 445 BC, by Artaxerxes Longimanus. Exactly 173,880 days later, on April 6th, 32 AD, Jesus Christ rode into Jerusalem upon a colt (fulfilling the prophecy in Zechariah 9:9). The world celebrates this day as Palm Sunday. Four days later, Christ was murdered upon the cross. Actually, the form of His execution and even His last words were foretold in Psalm 22. Three days later, Jesus rose from the dead on Easter Sunday, fulfilling numerous other prophecies of our Messiah. http://www.allabouttruth.org/biblical-prophecy
Zechariah 9:9 "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you;righteous and having salvation is he, humble and mounted on a donkey,on a colt, the foal of a donkey."
Fulfilled! Luke 19:41-44 "And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it,42 saying, “Would that you, even you, had known on this day the things that make for peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes.43 For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side44 and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation."
483 years, 177,880 days. One more week to deal with the Jews, why? Because of the promise or everlasting covenant, He made with Abraham.
He was crucified on a Thursday around 9am and He made His grave with the wicked on the same day starting at 6am, when He was handed over to Pilate for affliction, mocking, bruising, chastisement, beating, they made His grave with the wicked and with a rich man in His death.
Matthew 27:5760a-b "When it was evening, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who also was a disciple of Jesus.58 He went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate ordered it to be given to him.59 And Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a clean linen shroud60 and laid it in his own new tomb, which he had cut in the rock." So the heart of the earth is not the Tomb, it has to be the grave which was His full payment for our sins that included, what happened when He with Pilate. He was delivered to Pilate early morning.
John 18:28 "Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning (6am). But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover." He rose in early morning.
Luke 24:1-3 "Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning (6am), they, and certain other women with them, came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. 3 Then they went in and did not find the body of the Lord Jesus." This is 72 hours that all He told the disciples would happen to Him, verified by the two disciples on the road to Emmaus. Luke 24:13, "Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day (first day of the week) to a village called Emmaus, which was seven miles from Jerusalem......17 And He said to them, “What kind of conversation is this that you have with one another as you walk and are sad?”
18 Then the one whose name was Cleopas answered and said to Him, “Are You the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have You not known the things which happened there in these days?”
19 And He said to them, “What things?”
So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him (heart of the earth). 21 But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened.”
I got the basic idea from amazing facts, I don't agree with it, but that the belly of the earth is His being condemned to death and crucified.
https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/media/e/1170/t/explain-how-jesus-was-in-the-tomb-3-days-/-3-nights-
Ahwatukee
Wake up dear friend. There will be people who lose there life but it wont be the Antichrist directing it. And then he wont try to stop it either. That will be done by a bunch of wack-os just as it is today. As a mater of fact todays actions are a part of it. Do you believe Daniel 8:25 or not. The Antichrist will come in Peacefully and prosperously.
Wake up dear friend. There will be people who lose there life but it wont be the Antichrist directing it. And then he wont try to stop it either. That will be done by a bunch of wack-os just as it is today. As a mater of fact todays actions are a part of it. Do you believe Daniel 8:25 or not. The Antichrist will come in Peacefully and prosperously.
Aman! Amen! Amen!
Why do people make the Bible some mystical book, as though if you're nonspiritual you will not understand it. That it takes a special revelation to understand it, that makes the Father evil and we know He is not evil, but holy, righteous, sovereign, all knowing. He knows the beginning from the end, He guides it, it happens because He allow us the grace to breath.
Why do people make the Bible some mystical book, as though if you're nonspiritual you will not understand it. That it takes a special revelation to understand it, that makes the Father evil and we know He is not evil, but holy, righteous, sovereign, all knowing. He knows the beginning from the end, He guides it, it happens because He allow us the grace to breath.
