Daniel 9:27 blunder...

[SarahM777]

[/COLOR]who said they had to say it? does the fact they not say it mean it will not be built or can;t be built?? tell that to the jews trying this very moment to build one!



lol.. ok. so tell me.

1. When was there a one world economy ever in the history of the world
2. Tell me when one leader had control of every nation tribe and tongue on earth (rome never had that much power or authroity or territory)
3. Tell me when the world leader was destroyed by Christ and throne into th elake of fire with the false prophet


John does not have to say a third temple was built. all he has to tell us is one was there. your trying to get be because he did not say it it must not be true. that is no more correct than saying because he did not say it, it is not true.

so much told of in revelation after the first three chapters could not possibally have occured yet. But if you want to think it has, I pray your not here when they do occure, You will be blindsided with the rest, because you do not think they will or can happen.

Just because they may want to build a third temple does not mean God will allow it. You forget the tower of Babel. They started it but they didn't get to far. If God does want that rebuilt no amount of man's trying to do something God does want done will be done.

Sorry it's not from our perspective it must from John's perspective. What is John trying tell and is he really speaking to us or to those of his day. A lot of Revelation is symbolic not literal. Your trying to force it to say there will be a third temple. If John is talking about the second temple then it's wrong,because your starting from a point of trying to force it to say something it doesn't.

Sorry EG, God never promised that I would not see persicution. God never promised me tomorrow. Please explain why God would not allow Christians to be put to death even in the US? What makes in the western world so much more special then our brothers and sisters in places like China? So many people have tried to predict who the antichrist is and THEY HAVE ALL GOTTEN IT WRONG. You have people saying it will be a resurrected Roman empire. (Never mind the EU has 27 countries now not 10) Never mind the fact the you have people now saying it will be the Muslims. Only one minor problem NOT ONE HAS BEEN RIGHT SO FAR. Shouldn't that tell us something or do we just ignore it?

 

[zone]

But this one compares to that great city today. Acts 21:36 "For the multitude of the people followed after, crying, Away with him.
37 And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said [the chief captian], "Canst thou speak Greek?
38 Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?"
39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

i don't get it.

what's the application of this for today?

Who said [the chief captian], "Canst thou speak Greek?
38 Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?"

 

[zone]

Isn't it amazing how that chief captain acquainted Paul's work as a Jew persecuting true Christians with his being "that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers", there at Acts 21:38?

Kind of gives us a sense of how that great city is Egypt.

Her having welcomed those among her ranks that are like those of Sodom easily explains that part of her spiritual name.

Only one institution has done both today.

huh?

Art not thou that Egyptian? - That Egyptian was probably a Jew who resided in Egypt. Josephus has given an account of this Egyptian which strikingly accords with the statement here recorded by Luke. See Josephus, Antiq., book 20, chapter 8, section 6, and Jewish Wars, book 2, chapter 13, section 5. The account which he gives is, that this Egyptian, whose name he does not mention, came from Egypt to Jerusalem, and said that he was a prophet, and advised the multitude of the common people to go with him to the Mount of Olives. He said further that he would show them from thence how the walls of Jerusalem would fall down: and he promised them that he would procure for them an entrance through those walls when they were fallen down. Josephus adds (Jewish Wars) that he got together 30,000 men that were deluded by him; "these he led round about from the wilderness to the mount which was called the Mount of Olives, and was ready to break into Jerusalem by force from that place. But Felix, who was apprised of his movements, marched against him with the Roman soldiers, and defeated him, and killed 400 of them, and took 200 alive. But the Egyptian escaped himself out of the fight, but did not appear anymore." It was natural that the Roman tribune should suppose that Paul was this Egyptian, and that his return had produped this commotion and excitement among the people.

Madest an uproar - Producing a sedition, or a rising among the people. Greek: "That Egyptian, who before these days having risen up."

Into the wilderness - This corresponds remarkably with the account of Josephus. He indeed mentions that he led his followers to the Mount of Olives, but he expressly says that "he led them round about from the wilderness." This wilderness was the wild and uncultivated mountainous tract of country lying to the east of Jerusalem, and between it and the river Jordan. See the notes on Matthew 3:1. It is also another striking coincidence showing the truth of the narrative, that neither Josephus nor Luke mention the name of this Egyptian, though he was so prominent and acted so distinguished a part.
Barnes

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if we have some reason to think this is a coded message about the Vatican, do you have any more evidence?

 

[kardiaoangelous]

huh?

Art not thou that Egyptian? - That Egyptian was probably a Jew who resided in Egypt. Josephus has given an account of this Egyptian which strikingly accords with the statement here recorded by Luke. See Josephus, Antiq., book 20, chapter 8, section 6, and Jewish Wars, book 2, chapter 13, section 5. The account which he gives is, that this Egyptian, whose name he does not mention, came from Egypt to Jerusalem, and said that he was a prophet, and advised the multitude of the common people to go with him to the Mount of Olives. He said further that he would show them from thence how the walls of Jerusalem would fall down: and he promised them that he would procure for them an entrance through those walls when they were fallen down. Josephus adds (Jewish Wars) that he got together 30,000 men that were deluded by him; "these he led round about from the wilderness to the mount which was called the Mount of Olives, and was ready to break into Jerusalem by force from that place. But Felix, who was apprised of his movements, marched against him with the Roman soldiers, and defeated him, and killed 400 of them, and took 200 alive. But the Egyptian escaped himself out of the fight, but did not appear anymore." It was natural that the Roman tribune should suppose that Paul was this Egyptian, and that his return had produped this commotion and excitement among the people.

Madest an uproar - Producing a sedition, or a rising among the people. Greek: "That Egyptian, who before these days having risen up."

Into the wilderness - This corresponds remarkably with the account of Josephus. He indeed mentions that he led his followers to the Mount of Olives, but he expressly says that "he led them round about from the wilderness." This wilderness was the wild and uncultivated mountainous tract of country lying to the east of Jerusalem, and between it and the river Jordan. See the notes on Matthew 3:1. It is also another striking coincidence showing the truth of the narrative, that neither Josephus nor Luke mention the name of this Egyptian, though he was so prominent and acted so distinguished a part.
Barnes

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if we have some reason to think this is a coded message about the Vatican, do you have any more evidence?

Still, that is a curious parallel.

All it takes for the great city in the spiritual sense Called Egypt and Sodom to be called Egypt is for her to try to keep God''s sheep in bondage to sin by preaching a doctrine that claims they cannot help but sin in this life.

That expresses the faithlessness of the Pharoah in the power of God and, for those that believe it, holds them into the slavery of sin.

The Bible certainly does not teach that we cannot overcome sin. It is only those who continue to sin that wish to believe that.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

All it takes to lay them as dead in the street is to silence them as the body of Christ so that neither natural nor the wild branches can speak to fulfill their ambassadorship.

She is who God told me she is.

That is all I really need to know. The rest always proves true. No credit to me.

 

[zone]

Still, that is a curious parallel.

All it takes for the great city in the spiritual sense Called Egypt and Sodom to be called Egypt is for her to try to keep God''s sheep in bondage to sin by preaching a doctrine that claims they cannot help but sin in this life.

That expresses the faithlessness of the Pharoah in the power of God and, for those that believe it, holds them into the slavery of sin.

The Bible certainly does not teach that we cannot overcome sin. It is only those who continue to sin that wish to believe that.

i fail to see how Paul's being mistaken for the egyptian is coded language about bondage to sin.

the Bible is explicit on what sin is, the consequences of it, and the remedy for it - Jesus Christ Crucified for the forgiveness of sins, to be received by Grace through faith.

 

[zone]

All it takes to lay them as dead in the street is to silence them as the body of Christ so that neither natural nor the wild branches can speak to fulfill their ambassadorship.

She is who God told me she is.

That is all I really need to know. The rest always proves true. No credit to me.

who did God tell you "she" is?
Rome?
and what....Rome is going to kill all the gentiles and jews?

Islam? who is "she"?

"neither natural nor the wild branches can speak to fulfill their ambassadorship"

i don't get it.
is there One Tree or Two?

if God told you something, doesn't He want you to reveal it?

 

[zone]

Daniel 9:26: "And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah (Jesus) shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people (Romans) of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary...."


Yes, Messiah was cut off (fulfilled)
The Romans then destroyed the temple (fulfilled)
The future prince who is to come (not yet fulfilled) - it says the people who destroyed the temple (Romans) are of the prince to come, so we know the future prince is someone from the revived Roman empire.

Continuing......

Daniel 9:27: "Then he (roman prince) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week (7 yrs);
But in the middle of the week (3.5 yrs)
he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

Some try to claim this prince in verse 27 is Jesus, when clearly it's the future 'man of sin'. How can one associate the workings of Antichrist with Jesus? This is awful.

back to the OP......

 

[kardiaoangelous]

who did God tell you "she" is?
Rome?
and what....Rome is going to kill all the gentiles and jews?

"neither natural nor the wild branches can speak to fulfill their ambassadorship"

i don't get it.
is there One Tree or Two?

She is the same thing she was only trying to appear differently.

1 Corinthians 1:27 "But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence."

She is Galatians 4:29 "... that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now."

is there One Tree or Two?

There is the best of both. Even though the world sees them both as, "foolish things."

 

[vic1980]

lol, you said for those waiting for a third temple to be built it was not going to happen. Now you state it may happen..

make up your mind? Many people do things God does command, And these many things are found in scripture. So who is to say if this third temple is built. It is not seen in prophesy? prophesy DOES look at future events. It does not have to say God commanded it to be built for it to be in prophesy, It just says it is there. If it was built in sin or unbelief, is beside the point.

Where did i state it may happen? I clearly ask you where in scripture in the word of God those things are written? As for the three that are authorized to build his holy temple its on the 2 page i belive on my post, Jesus Christ said it is finish and it trully is, I made up my mind quite some time ago brother, We ought to obey God rather than men. God bless