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Angela53510

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#81
You know, ABMF, you really are totally obsessed with demons.

How much better to be totally obsessed with the work of Christ in our hearts and lives.

"For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain." Phil. 1:21
 
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ABMF

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#83
You know, ABMF, you really are totally obsessed with demons.

How much better to be totally obsessed with the work of Christ in our hearts and lives.

"For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain." Phil. 1:21
Isn't the work of Christ and advancing His Kingdom to set the captives free? For this purpose was the Son of God manifest, to destroy the works of satan. Deliverence or the casting out of evil Spirits brings the Kingdom of God onto people's lives. Take a read of Matthew 6:23. Advance Christ in His Kingdom as much as God gives. I enjoy harrassing religious Devils who do not believe. I'm sure I have annoyed a few Devils. " stay on the hunt" till hell gives some of them up. In Jesus name!!
 

MarcR

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In our English translations of the Bible, the word demon is commonly used when the Greek actually has 3 different words for the same word we use simply as 'demon'. For example, the KJV translates daimonion as devil when there is only one devil and not many. Obviously, the word demon is more appropriate. You could say there are many demons but only one devil.

Keeping the above in mind, there is another confused rendering from the Greek into Engish that confuses the issue when it comes to whether or not a Christian can 'have a demon.'

The verb in Greek that is used to reference a person with a demon is daimonizo which does not mean possessed. It means simply demonized. So, it is accurate to state that a person is under daimonizo or 'subject to demonic influence'...which is a far cry from possession, which word means or dictates 'ownership.'

It is simple to conclude that Christian cannot be possessed but inaccurate to state a Christian cannot be influenced to demonic influence.

There is no basis in the Greek to conclude that the word possession is intended.

I don't believe the title 'deliverance minister' is a biblical one. The Bible records no such office, like it does pastor, elder or teacher or other gift.

Why is that? Casting out demons, or driving out demons or expelling demons, is the realm of every believer and not 'specialists' whose calling is dealing with demons in people.

In Luke 10, the 72 who were sent out by Jesus came back to Him and reported that even the demons were subject to them and had to obey them...as they did Jesus. Jesus told them not to rejoice at this, but to rejoice that there names were written down in heaven; the point here for this explanation is that all 72 indicated they had success with authority over the evil spirits...there were no specialists.

Ephesians 6 describes the battle Christians have as a spiritual war and not one agains flesh and blood.

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. v 12

Obviously I'm not going to discuss every reference in scripture with regards to demons and believers, but there is a huge difference between possession and being afflicted. Paul had a demonic affliction...the Bible records that a messenger from the devil buffeted him...Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me-- to keep me from exalting myself! II Cor 12:7

There is no doubt that God does allow demonic activity in a believer's life...Job, Paul, King Saul, Peter and others...this can come about through sin or even God's permission...however a Christian for the most part should deal with the influences of demons in their life.

Many Christians will claim that a believer cannot have any type of demonic influence and state that the Holy Spirit and a demon cannot be in the same place or space.

The Bible does not state that anywhere, but remembering that the word possession is not the word used in the original Greek, it is a mute point to state that a believer cannot be possessed.

The only way to be rid of a demonic presence is in the name of Jesus...no special ceremony or holy water or crosses etc

The truth of the victory already won for believers over the devil is the only reason the demons must leave. It's not a power a struggle. It is a matter of standing on the truth of the Bible and our position in Christ only, that assures us victory.
From the standpoint of linguistics, I agree with everything you have said. However the OP seems to equate deliverance with exorcism; thus the premise of Demon Possession is subsumed in the OP. I certainly will not argue that believers are not subject to demonic oppression; and your counsel on how to deal with it is also correct.
 
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ABMF

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#85
From the standpoint of linguistics, I agree with everything you have said. However the OP seems to equate deliverance with exorcism; thus the premise of Demon Possession is subsumed in the OP. I certainly will not argue that believers are not subject to demonic oppression; and your counsel on how to deal with it is also correct.
The OP refers to casting demons out like the bible commands for sure. It is a command to cast out demons. Along with heal the sick cleans the leapers raise the dead and so on. In fact it's a sign for those who believe. Do you believe?
 
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weakness

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#87
I don't know why most are thinking this is a joke or not to be talked about. Maybe I am missing something?Receptively watching and having pleasure in murder, over competivness, Fighting, ect that many games have, can be very inductive to demonic persuation. The scripture says that those who enjoy watching or are entertained by sin are similar to those sinning. Not just true of gaming, but many things , I don't or have Gamed ,I t just didn't do anything for me. Kinda like useing drugs or somthing
 
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DesiredHaven

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#88
My husband has an x box and he loves playing that thing.

I am married to an unbeliever, but I will admit I do love the peace and quiet I get in the livingroom (to study without any distraction from the TV) while he is occupied in the other room on that thing.

He could care less what anyone else says about his toy though. He is going to continue to play with his x box whether I tell him it could be harboring a potential demon attack in it,

He would think thats insane. And especially after playing on that thing for almost 20 years without any such an incident, he could never believe there are any such dangers since he has never seen or experienced them.

I'm thankful to God that I dont have any authority to tell husband what toys he can or cannot play with, especially if I had to do it with a straight face, because I just wouldnt be up to the task.
 
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yaright

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#89
My personal experience in deliverance has been with games by console type/make. Please don't take this and set it up as a doctrine, but for example most recent Xbox modern warfare. Each game should be weighed in the light of Gods word. If it doesn't line up with the principles given then it has the potential to open the door to invasion by demons.
Dear friend in Christ, I have carefully considered what you've begun here. The bible actually shows how demons come into a person's life. It has to do with a nature that is within each of us, that we did not or do not purposely have dominion over. When a person does not have dominion over that nature, that nature becomes a legal place for demons to enter into. This instruction is give in Old Testament Law, which Jesus spoke of and instructed us in. So it really isn't the game by itself, it has to do with the person who doesn't carefully consider God's word, which you also mentioned. I walked in your shoes many years ago, and I see you are learning like anyone else. I found that finding good in a person causes that person to consider the good and where it came from. A teenager answers to his or her parents, but when that person leaves home, then that person answers to God our Father. This language is also written in the bible. I see that you are very excited about the things you search out in the bible. But if you were to give witness of your own life, that would be far more powerful. Would you speak of the good that came out of your own life after you repented? This is a far greater witness by any standard.
 
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ember

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#90
Have you ever ministered to some one in the area of casting out demons?
Yes...I have. I don't concentrate on demons though...however, there are times.....
 
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ember

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#91
From the standpoint of linguistics, I agree with everything you have said. However the OP seems to equate deliverance with exorcism; thus the premise of Demon Possession is subsumed in the OP. I certainly will not argue that believers are not subject to demonic oppression; and your counsel on how to deal with it is also correct.
Good...cause I think that makes a big diff in how believers view this. I'm pretty conservative on my approach, but I have seen a few whacky things in my time.

Regarding the op...I don't know...I thought I had read in one of his posts that he does not believe a Christian can be possessed?
 
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ember

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#92
I don't know why most are thinking this is a joke or not to be talked about. Maybe I am missing something?Receptively watching and having pleasure in murder, over competivness, Fighting, ect that many games have, can be very inductive to demonic persuation. The scripture says that those who enjoy watching or are entertained by sin are similar to those sinning. Not just true of gaming, but many things , I don't or have Gamed ,I t just didn't do anything for me. Kinda like useing drugs or somthing
I think the topic scares them. Or perhaps fascinates them. Notice 'they' are still here.
 

Yeraza_Bats

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I would like to say that there is a difference between being obsessed with demons and having to deal with them personally, and feeling the strong need to warn people of what they do. If you listen to the story of any youtube who has their page to warn about the devils works, almost all of them will tell you they were attacked by one once. Do you not believe that a part of the reason is so that believers can warn others of the enemy that Christ /did/ warn us about often?

Not that we should focus on demons, but at the same time, it is not very Christian to ignore them and pretend they dont exist. They come into your life often, and you should know when it happens. That moment you are tempted by something, the times when you keep focusing on something that made you a bit angry, even when you try to let it go. The only way to not fall into satans works is to use the wisdom given to you by Christ, we are told He came to undo what satan had done.
It is not unChristian to warn other Christians that the enemy is on them.

I don't know why most are thinking this is a joke or not to be talked about. Maybe I am missing something?Receptively watching and having pleasure in murder, over competivness, Fighting, ect that many games have, can be very inductive to demonic persuation. The scripture says that those who enjoy watching or are entertained by sin are similar to those sinning. Not just true of gaming, but many things , I don't or have Gamed ,I t just didn't do anything for me. Kinda like useing drugs or somthing

Not every game is like that though. Not that Im boasting or anything, but I often enjoy games like Harvest Moon, a game where you run a farm and start a family and junk :p

But I do think that though thats not sinful, I do spend money on these games that could be used to help those in need. And Im collecting treasures by having them, and Im taking time that could be used getting closer to God pleasing myself with entertainment. I do not believe that videogames are Godly by any means. But not all of them are violent and perverse. Some are nice and happy and whatever :p
As someone who plays them, I can tell you they are no different than having cable.
 
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MaggieMye

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#94
I'm confused. Why is everyone saying "teenage forus when this is Bible Dicsussion? This is NOT the teen forum. So what's the deal. has it been moved here from there?

M~
 

blue_ladybug

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#95
I'm confused. Why is everyone saying "teenage forus when this is Bible Dicsussion? This is NOT the teen forum. So what's the deal. has it been moved here from there?

M~

I haven't seen any posts here that say this is the teens forum, but then again I'm not gonna read back through 5 pages, either..
 
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MaggieMye

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#96
Those opposed to 'deliverance ministry' claim that those who are in favor of deliverance ministry claim that there is a "demon around every corner and under every bush". Well....YEAH!! 1 Peter 5:8 b " Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." Not to mention that his minions, the demons who serve that devil, are multiple and always ready to find that open door to the soul of one who passes by. We may not "SEE" them, but they are EVERYWHERE.....waiting....for you.
Maggie
 
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DesiredHaven

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#97
cookie monster under my bed.jpg

The world is full of dangers
 
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ABMF

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#99
Dear friend in Christ, I have carefully considered what you've begun here. The bible actually shows how demons come into a person's life. It has to do with a nature that is within each of us, that we did not or do not purposely have dominion over. When a person does not have dominion over that nature, that nature becomes a legal place for demons to enter into. This instruction is give in Old Testament Law, which Jesus spoke of and instructed us in. So it really isn't the game by itself, it has to do with the person who doesn't carefully consider God's word, which you also mentioned. I walked in your shoes many years ago, and I see you are learning like anyone else. I found that finding good in a person causes that person to consider the good and where it came from. A teenager answers to his or her parents, but when that person leaves home, then that person answers to God our Father. This language is also written in the bible. I see that you are very excited about the things you search out in the bible. But if you were to give witness of your own life, that would be far more powerful. Would you speak of the good that came out of your own life after you repented? This is a far greater witness by any standard.
There is indeed power in the testimony of deliverence. I was ministering to a young lady from Canada when I first became aware of the demonic demon of Xbox. It was during one deliverence session when this spirit manifested itself. I was a bit surprised but took authority in the name of Jesus and the Holy Ghost got the victory. I then became aware of a personal need to deal with the devil in my own life as I had had dealings with playing Xbox. I had heeded the Holy Spirit's personal admonition regarding Xbox, removed it from my life, but never had seen it as a full on deliverance issue. I had not expected it, as I had obeyed and walked away, but there are some things you have to command to forsake you. I went through deliverence myself for the very issue and Jesus set me free. The demonic super power of entertainment mind control is something that to few Christians are aware of.
 
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ABMF

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Those opposed to 'deliverance ministry' claim that those who are in favor of deliverance ministry claim that there is a "demon around every corner and under every bush". Well....YEAH!! 1 Peter 5:8 b " Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." Not to mention that his minions, the demons who serve that devil, are multiple and always ready to find that open door to the soul of one who passes by. We may not "SEE" them, but they are EVERYWHERE.....waiting....for you.
Maggie
We're accused of seeing a demon behind every rock and every fence post or bush. There are probably more like ten. Or even a thousand. Mark 5. For all you people who think spirits some how take up space and can't be in the same place how did all those Devils fit in that guy? Or a believer can't have a demon? How about Mary Magdalene whom Jesus cast out 7 Devils? She had come to Jesus and believed on Him. Or how about the women who asked Jesus for deliverence for her daughter? It's there that Jesus told her that Deliverance was not for people who were not Children.
 
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