Did God die on the cross.

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Did God die on the cross

  • yes

    Votes: 12 42.9%

  • no

    Votes: 14 50.0%

  • I am not sure.

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • Total voters
    28
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1Covenant

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watchmen said:
Jesus didn't just take the penalty of sin, He became sin that we might become the righteousness of Christ.

2nd Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
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The context is one of identity and perfectly acceptable in that light. For the wages of sin were death and we were sin, but the wages have been paid by someone as though they owed them all, even though they owed none of them, therefore you are free to be righteous through that work.
 
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watchmen

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Originally Posted by watchmen

Jesus didn't just take the penalty of sin, He became sin that we might become the righteousness of Christ.

2nd Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
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1Covenant said:
The context is one of identity and perfectly acceptable in that light. For the wages of sin were death and we were sin, but the wages have been paid by someone as though they owed them all, even though they owed none of them, therefore you are free to be righteous through that work.
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It says what it says and means exact what it says.
 
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1Covenant

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Definition_Christ said:
I mean, I guess the Spirit form never really dies right? .. Is that Biblical .. If not than just forget it. But if that's the case.. and God is Spirit than.. It not possible for God to die... Right?
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If I may...Let me suggest reading Athanasius, "On the Incarnation." It is beautifully written. It was written around 339 AD I believe, and it was written against a particular heresy that began creeping up at that time.
 
MahogonySnail

MahogonySnail

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Jesus's Divine nature didn't die on the cross, only His human nature.
 
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suaso

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Jesus Christ died on the Cross. Jesus Christ is God. Therefore, God died on the cross.

That is about as basic as it gets.

Not to pull teeth...but

If we say that only Christ's body/human nature died on the cross...well..hello gnosticism.
 
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Leilaii425

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suaso said:
Jesus Christ died on the Cross. Jesus Christ is God. Therefore, God died on the cross.

That is about as basic as it gets.
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come on.. you know its not basic to these guys...
 
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Definition_Christ

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Originally Posted by suaso
Jesus Christ died on the Cross. Jesus Christ is God. Therefore, God died on the cross.

That is about as basic as it gets.
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Leilaii425 said:
come on.. you know its not basic to these guys...
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Yeah.. Sorry we just have a tendency to get really really deep into the Word...
 
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watchmen

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To be honest I am totally surprised by the result of this poll. I didn't think anyone outside of 1covenant would vote yes, but that just confirms how far christianity has fallen from the truth of God's word. At least my friends mahogony, and D_C were not taken in by this new deception.
 
MahogonySnail

MahogonySnail

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However... ... the argument could be made that you can't separate Jesus the God-man into a natural and divine part, one separate from the other. In that respect, God did die on the cross. Jesus was not just some regular human being who died a martyrs death. He was both God and man. God Himself tasted death for all mankind. Was not Jesus still as much Divine while dying on the cross, as he was when birthed by the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary? I do think that there is a divine aspect of Christ that cannot be separated and in that sense, God, or rather, the God-man, died on the cross. The Father can't die, the Spirit can't die, but the Son could die only after he took on flesh. In that sense, the Divine part of the Son of God died , but Jesus's divine nature that he had from the Father and the Spirit did not. God became flesh, and that flesh died on the cross, therefore it could be said that God really did die, or at least, God experienced death in the human nature which God became. But did God Himself die literally? No of course not.
Confused? Me too.
 
MahogonySnail

MahogonySnail

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No where in the bible does it say God died. God forsook Jseus and so how could God be forsaken by Himself and die Himself at the same time?
I like this article for the reasons why we should not say that God died on the cross, but something I haven't really thought about until now.
http://www.uplook.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=57

I just feel that saying God dying on the cross is wrong.
 
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1Covenant

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watchmen said:
To be honest I am totally surprised by the result of this poll. I didn't think anyone outside of 1covenant would vote yes, but that just confirms how far christianity has fallen from the truth of God's word. At least my friends mahogony, and D_C were not taken in by this new deception.
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Honestly and sincerely with no offense inteded, I am just as surprised that you think this is new. I live in the south where anyone could tell you this...that God died for my sins. Its about as normal as apple pie.

Off the topic and completely honest, I'm a little curious now what kind of background you grew up in when you say it was trinitarian?

I'll look forward to your answer. For now I'm off to bed.
 
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Definition_Christ

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MahogonySnail said:
However... ... the argument could be made that you can't separate Jesus the God-man into a natural and divine part, one separate from the other. In that respect, God did die on the cross. Jesus was not just some regular human being who died a martyrs death. He was both God and man. God Himself tasted death for all mankind. Was not Jesus still as much Divine while dying on the cross, as he was when birthed by the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary? I do think that there is a divine aspect of Christ that cannot be separated and in that sense, God, or rather, the God-man, died on the cross. The Father can't die, the Spirit can't die, but the Son could die only after he took on flesh. In that sense, the Divine part of the Son of God died , but Jesus's divine nature that he had from the Father and the Spirit did not. God became flesh, and that flesh died on the cross, therefore it could be said that God really did die, or at least, God experienced death in the human nature which God became. But did God Himself die literally? No of course not.
Confused? Me too.
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Yeah a bit confused but I understand where you are coming from.. I mean even if Jesus was just experiencing separation from His humanity without ceasing to be God.. Is that still the sacrifice for our sins? I mean Jesus still shed blood. He was still the Lamb of God. His blood was shed... So yeah I mean I just can't get that through my head saying "God died".. Are you saying like God.. The Son died? His divine nature also?
 
MahogonySnail

MahogonySnail

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I agree with Psalm 49:7-9 that says (implicitly) that no regular person could die on the cross, this affirms Jesus's divinity. But I like to be clear that Jesus was the Son of God and the Son of God died on the cross, not God Himself.
 
MahogonySnail

MahogonySnail

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Are you saying like God.. The Son died? His divine nature also?
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This issue is not confined to Trinity or Oneness but to both. Both say Jesus is God and died on the cross.. so how is that possible?. From a Trinitarian point of view I'd say the divine nature of the Son of God didn't die - I mean, that was who he was, he was born of God and the woman, he was a God-man, he can't be separated into divine and human parts genetically, just like brown person born to black and white parents can't be separated into black versus white. That divine part that was birthed in the Virgin mary by the Spirit must have died on the cross as it cannot be separated from his humanity...in that sense, God did die I suppose. But He was forsaken by God and died a sinners death (our sins, not his own), so in that sense God did not die. aghhhhhhhhh *pulls out hair*

But since scripture doesn't use the language where it says God died, I don't think it's correct to say God died. Yeah...
 
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