Did God die on the cross.

[watchmen]

I agree with Psalm 49:7-9 that says (implicitly) that no regular person could die on the cross, this affirms Jesus's divinity. But I like to be clear that Jesus was the Son of God and the Son of God died on the cross, not God Himself.

Jesus was God, but God forsook Him as He died on the Cross. God did not die. It is an impossibility.

 

[Definition_Christ]

Well yeah this is definitely an interesting topic.. So are there any bible verses we can work off of or is this just all speculation? I mean it does make sense (kind of) but I am curious what/if the Bible says anything in this area. I don't mean like Jesus dying that part I know. But God dying or Jesus' deity.. Yeah anything?

 

[MahogonySnail]

Jesus was God, but God forsook Him as He died on the Cross. God did not die. It is an impossibility.

I agree. But since Christ was born of the Holy Spirit and Mary, his flesh when it died and broke down would have contained God's DNA I would presume. Jesus had human flesh, but the Father was God Himself. This is beyond our comprehension.

 

[watchmen]

I agree. But since Christ was born of the Holy Spirit and Mary, his flesh when it died and broke down would have contained God's DNA I would presume. Jesus had human flesh, but the Father was God Himself. This is beyond our comprehension.

Yes we are finite, and God is infinite, we cannot comprehend all of who He is is.

 

[1Covenant]

I agree with Psalm 49:7-9 that says (implicitly) that no regular person could die on the cross, this affirms Jesus's divinity. But I like to be clear that Jesus was the Son of God and the Son of God died on the cross, not God Himself.

Oneness theology will differentiate at all times between the two natures of Christ. So it is said in the life of Christ that God does not pray to God but a man prays to God and here on the cross then to stay consistent they proclaim that here acts a man and here a man redeems creation and not God. Here dies only a man.

I disagree that our redemption was so cheap to an infinitely holy God.

 

[watchmen]

Well yeah this is definitely an interesting topic.. So are there any bible verses we can work off of or is this just all speculation? I mean it does make sense (kind of) but I am curious what/if the Bible says anything in this area. I don't mean like Jesus dying that part I know. But God dying or Jesus' deity.. Yeah anything?

The Bible says that Jesus was deity, so we must believe that. It also says God is eternal, and immortal so we must believe that. An eternal, immortal being cannot die, yet God made Himself flesh so that that man could reconcile all human kind to Himself. However God cannot and did not die. This is what scripture teaches.

 

[watchmen]

I disagree that our redemption was so cheap to an infinitely holy God.

You say the death of Christ was cheap? That steps over heresy and borders on blasphemy.

 

[Definition_Christ]

The Bible says that Jesus was deity, so we must believe that. It also says God is eternal, and immortal so we must believe that. An eternal, immortal being cannot die, yet God made Himself flesh so that that man could reconcile all human kind to Himself. However God cannot and did not die. This is what scripture teaches.

Yeah, gotta agree with you there.

 

[1Covenant]

You say the death of Christ was cheap? That steps over heresy and borders on blasphemy.

If Christ is only man upon his death it cannot be blasphemy (a contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or divine entity.)
You brought him down to that level not me.

 

[watchmen]

If Christ is only man upon his death it cannot be blasphemy (a contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or divine entity.)
You brought him down to that level not me.

I believe exactly what scripture teaches. You believe the immortal eternal God, the beginning and the end somehow died. That is crazy if nothing else.

 

[Definition_Christ]

Php 2:5-8
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

 

[1Covenant]

I believe exactly what scripture teaches. You believe the immortal eternal God, the beginning and the end somehow died. That is crazy if nothing else.

I'll wear the crazy button.

 

[watchmen]

I'll wear the crazy button.

Go for it, and I will believe only what God says in His word.

 

[suaso]

I found this useful:

The other truth we shall consider is that God died upon the cross. Here again I am reminded of another street-corner question of about the same vintage: "You say that God died upon the cross; what happened to the universe while God was dead?" The suggestion is made that it was not God who died on Calvary, but the humanity of Christ. But in death, it is always someone who dies, a person; and upon Calvary’s cross, only one Person hung: God the Son in the manhood that was his.

Thus it was God the Son who died—not, of course, in his divine nature, which cannot know death and which holds the universe in existence, but in the human nature which was so utterly his. Death, remember, does not for any one of us mean annihilation. It means the separation of soul and body, a separation that at the last judgment will be ended. Upon Calvary, the body that was God the Son’s was separated from the soul that was likewise his. And on the third day they were united again. In his human nature God the Son rose from the death that in his human nature had been his.

In our reading of the Gospels, it is vital that we should never forget that every word uttered and every action performed by Christ is uttered and performed by God the Son. With the words, perhaps even more than with actions, we shall find sayings we are often tempted to call hard. The one Person said I, in the divine nature and in the human nature, in an infinite nature and a finite nature. He could say, "I and the Father are one"; he could say, "The Father is greater than I"; it is the same Person, uttering the truth of distinct natures, but asserting each nature as truly his own.

That is from Frank Sheed, a Christian apologist.

 

[watchmen]

I found this useful:



That is from Frank Sheed, a Christian apologist.

In Frank's statement he says God did not die, but Jesus human nature died on the cross. Is this what you voted, or have you had a change of opinion? Because your earlier post seem to say you thought God died on the cross.

 

[suaso]

God died on the cross, in the way Sheed explains what that means. The poll has three options: yes, no, and confused. I have to work within my limits. I was reading a lot of things in the thread that seemed to imply that Jesus' human and divine natures were seperated in a way as the gnostics understood it: that the body suffered and the soul did not; and that Jesus was basically God in a man-suit. Sheed's statement still explains that God - God the son - died on the cross.

 

[watchmen]

God died on the cross, in the way Sheed explains what that means. The poll has three options: yes, no, and confused. I have to work within my limits. I was reading a lot of things in the thread that seemed to imply that Jesus' human and divine natures were seperated in a way as the gnostics understood it: that the body suffered and the soul did not; and that Jesus was basically God in a man-suit. Sheed's statement still explains that God - God the son - died on the cross.

Not at all I do not believe jesus was God in a man suit, not do I believe that God died on the cross. I would however agree with what Frank sheed said, and what He said is that the divine nature of Christ did not die. The irony is even though you are the one that posted the comment of Sheed's you opposed what he says.

 

[suaso]

The other truth we shall consider is that God died upon the cross.

- Sheed.

He goes on to explain what that means. I explained how I was concerned with the possibility that by saying "No, God did not die on the cross" could lead to the ideal of the "God in a man suit" theory that is at the core of gnosticism. We can say that God the Son died on the cross. That a person died on the cross. That person was Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ is God, so yes, God died on the cross, but no, God didn't really die in the ceasing-to-exist way we think.

hus it was God the Son who died—not, of course, in his divine nature, which cannot know death and which holds the universe in existence, but in the human nature which was so utterly his.

Here, he espoused the view that the human nature died and the eternal divine nature did not. He does not mean it as the gnostics did, that the human nature suffered but the divine did not. The gnostics saw Jesus as a divine entity parading as a human, whereas Christian orthodoxy sees Jesus as fully human and divine. That is why I said we have to be careful, and that the 3 choices given weren't as adequate as I was comfortable with.

 

[Definition_Christ]

The other truth we shall consider is that God died upon the cross. Here again I am reminded of another street-corner question of about the same vintage: "You say that God died upon the cross; what happened to the universe while God was dead?" The suggestion is made that it was not God who died on Calvary, but the humanity of Christ. But in death, it is always someone who dies, a person; and upon Calvary’s cross, only one Person hung: God the Son in the manhood that was his.

Thus it was God the Son who died—not, of course, in his divine nature, which cannot know death and which holds the universe in existence, but in the human nature which was so utterly his. Death, remember, does not for any one of us mean annihilation. It means the separation of soul and body, a separation that at the last judgment will be ended. Upon Calvary, the body that was God the Son’s was separated from the soul that was likewise his. And on the third day they were united again. In his human nature God the Son rose from the death that in his human nature had been his.

In our reading of the Gospels, it is vital that we should never forget that every word uttered and every action performed by Christ is uttered and performed by God the Son. With the words, perhaps even more than with actions, we shall find sayings we are often tempted to call hard. The one Person said I, in the divine nature and in the human nature, in an infinite nature and a finite nature. He could say, "I and the Father are one"; he could say, "The Father is greater than I"; it is the same Person, uttering the truth of distinct natures, but asserting each nature as truly his own

I found this useful:



That is from Frank Sheed, a Christian apologist.

God died on the cross, in the way Sheed explains what that means. The poll has three options: yes, no, and confused. I have to work within my limits. I was reading a lot of things in the thread that seemed to imply that Jesus' human and divine natures were seperated in a way as the gnostics understood it: that the body suffered and the soul did not; and that Jesus was basically God in a man-suit. Sheed's statement still explains that God - God the son - died on the cross.

I think already sorted this out, but if you want to quote apologists that may help also.. So yeah any bible verses go with that or just man's word?

 

[Definition_Christ]

I think we already sorted this out, but if you want to quote apologists that may help also.. So yeah any bible verses go with that or just man's word?.. Sorry forgot to add the word "we" in there.. Now I think it makes sense lol.