Did Jesus have a Hebrew name? Really?

Karraster · Apr 24, 2014

Since I've been on cc I have seen several threads mocking and belittling, however, they weren't from the "Hebrew" crowd, but from the "Greek" crowd. Is the OP trying to rewrite history?

I study as much as possible from the Hebrew. I am constantly finding it didn't translate well and sometimes the mistakes give a completely different meaning. From the hardening of Pharaoh's heart to Paul's letters. Since Almighty has given many Names He may be addressed by, isn't it a personal choice? Did He not say to Moses "I will be who I will be" or "I am that I am"?

It might be better if one desires to know Him, rather than beat up on everybody else that doesn't do it exactly as you think they should. It's a big ol world out there, and many languages. I daresay English is not king of languages.

presidente · Apr 24, 2014

danschance said:

I went to a Bible study once where a man there, a visitor from out of town actually, said that we need to call him Yahshua (I think that was his version, an unattested name that doesn't appear in Hebrew literature) and that we shouldnt' call him 'Jesus'. He said it was important because 'there is no other name under heaven whereby men may be saved.'

Then I said, "But if you actually read the text there, it says the name is 'Iesous'. It's written in Greek."

Another guy, a former Baptist seminary professor with a PhD no less, said there was a theory that originally the texts contained the Hebrew names.

Of course, there is no actual support for the theory.

The fact that the Bible calls Yehoshua 'Iesous' is some evidence for us. I see a precedent here for transliterating the name, so I guess we can say 'Jesus' if that works. (Though English can hand Yeshua or Iesous just fine, and Greek didn't have the sounds or the grammar to say Yeshua or for it to be a man's name.)

There is also a precedent for translating 'Messiah.' Maybe we should call him Jesus Anointed or Yeshua Anointed.

danschance · Apr 24, 2014

presidente said:

I went to a Bible study once where a man there, a visitor from out of town actually, said that we need to call him Yahshua (I think that was his version, an unattested name that doesn't appear in Hebrew literature) and that we shouldnt' call him 'Jesus'. He said it was important because 'there is no other name under heaven whereby men may be saved.'

Then I said, "But if you actually read the text there, it says the name is 'Iesous'. It's written in Greek."

Another guy, a former Baptist seminary professor with a PhD no less, said there was a theory that originally the texts contained the Hebrew names.

Of course, there is no actual support for the theory.

The fact that the Bible calls Yehoshua 'Iesous' is some evidence for us. I see a precedent here for transliterating the name, so I guess we can say 'Jesus' if that works. (Though English can hand Yeshua or Iesous just fine, and Greek didn't have the sounds or the grammar to say Yeshua or for it to be a man's name.)

There is also a precedent for translating 'Messiah.' Maybe we should call him Jesus Anointed or Yeshua Anointed.

That is my point. There is no evidence to suggest what Jesus' true name was beyond what is written in the bible. Yet some insist we insert Hebrew into our Greek scriptures to please God. They seem to think that calling Him Jesus is aberrant.

Kerry · Apr 24, 2014

His name is Emanuel, Jehovah Jirah, Jehovah Roppa, Jehovah Shalom, and so on and The Rose of Sharon, the Lily of the valley, the bright and shining star, The chief corner stone that the builders rejected, But most of all His name is JESUS.

iamsoandso · Apr 24, 2014

danschance said:

ill leave with this,papyrus 115 is the oldest fragment in the possession of man,,,,in it,along with a.h. is an argument over why they changed the scriptures to "iota,eta",,,,notice their,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "not spelling yehoshua"?????,,,,,

Kerry · Apr 24, 2014

I wouldn't pray to yeshua or yehoshua, because you could be praying to the one that took Moses place. we call him Joshua.

crossnote · Apr 24, 2014

posthuman said:

no, ישו lives

Kerry · Apr 24, 2014

I can tell you, I used to fly a lot and have been in planes many times in distress and I didn't here anybody hollering Yeshua but, folks were calling on JESUS. I didn't here Buddha either nor Allah but JESUS.

psalm6819 · Apr 24, 2014

I don't think Jesus cares if he is addressed in hebrew, greek, english, spanish, french, russian, He hears His beloved child, He knows His sheep. My study of Hebrew is interesting to me because it's a rich language. Each letter has a concept/pictograph so the words are pregnant with meaning. There is also a numerical value and musical note associated with each letter. Hebrew, during the life of Jesus was used in the synagogues much like laaaatin was in the Catholic Church but is now spoken in Israel. My studies of the Alef-Bet haven't made me give up BLT's.

God says it's what comes OUT of our mouth that defiles-not that yummy BLT.

Kerry · Apr 24, 2014

psalm6819 said:

I don't think Jesus cares if he is addressed in hebrew, greek, english, spanish, french, russian, He hears His beloved child, He knows His sheep. My study of Hebrew is interesting to me because it's a rich language. Each letter has a concept/pictograph so the words are pregnant with meaning. There is also a numerical value and musical note associated with each letter. Hebrew, during the life of Jesus was used in the synagogues much like laaaatin was in the Catholic Church but is now spoken in Israel. My studies of the Alef-Bet haven't made me give up BLT's.

God says it's what comes OUT of our mouth that defiles-not that yummy BLT.

I totally agree with you, but some carry it like a chip on their shoulder.

WomanLovesTX · Apr 24, 2014

G2424
Ἰησοῦς
Iēsous
ee-ay-sooce'
Of Hebrew origin [H3091]; Jesus (that is, Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites: - Jesus.

H3091
יהושׁע יהושׁוּע
yehôshûa‛ yehôshûa‛
yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, yeh-ho-shoo'-ah
FromH3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (that is, Joshua), the Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare H1954, H3442.

H3068
יהוה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'
From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.

H3467
ישׁע
yâsha‛
yaw-shah'
A primitive root; properly to be open, wide or free, that is, (by implication) to be safe; causatively to free or succor: - X at all, avenging, defend, deliver (-er), help, preserve, rescue, be safe, bring (having) salvation, save (-iour), get victory.

H3442
ישׁוּע
yêshûa‛
yah-shoo'-ah
For H3091; he will save; Jeshua, the name of two Israelites, also of a place in Palestine: - Jeshua.

H3091
יהושׁע יהושׁוּע
yehôshûa‛ yehôshûa‛
yeh-ho-shoo'-ah, yeh-ho-shoo'-ah
FromH3068 and H3467; Jehovah-saved; Jehoshua (that is, Joshua), the Jewish leader: - Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua. Compare H1954, H3442.

That's Strong's Concordance for you. 1st published in 1890 CE.

WomanLovesTX · Apr 24, 2014

Most Pastors have the following Reference book in their library...

Reference: KING JAMES BIBLE circa 1975 Thompson Chain Reference

Acts 7:45

Notice the margin reference above in verse 45. It clearly says that the name here was in fact JOSHUA in the "JESUS or JOSHUA". We now know that the name of JESUS is the same as the name of JOSHUA in Hebrew.

Again, this is a reference book in most modern day traditional Christian churches.

Kerry · Apr 24, 2014

I don't, ten charaters

ob77 · Apr 24, 2014

danschance said:

You must remember that Christ was not in Greece. The Greek Septuagint was not written at the time of Christ, but after it.
The people in Judea spoke Hebrew and thus Christ's name would have been the Hebrew pronunciation as Yahshua. Our English version of the New Testament was derived from the Greek and not the Hebrew, thus the confusion.

ob77 · Apr 24, 2014

Kerry said:

What on God's green earth is a "charater"?

WomanLovesTX · Apr 24, 2014

Another reference book many modern day traditional Christian pastors could have in their personal library...

As you can see the actual scans from Unger's Bible Dictionary page 681 which is enlarged below:

We know there is no "J" in Hebrew, and the correct meaning of the name JOSHUA is YAH O WAH is SALVATION or literally YAH SAVES. Below is the scans of the same book, page 713 for the name Joshua:

Phonetically the name JOSHUA is YAH SHOE AH and is wriitten Yahshua. Each word in the Bible has been given a designation numbering so that pastors and scholars can study the words and have insight into the meaning and the way they are pronounced. For example, in Greek the number for JESUS is G2424 and in Hebrew the correct of YAHSHUA is H4367. In Strong's below we can look at the numbers and information on the name of JESUS and JOSHUA remembering that the name in Hebrew is YAHSHUA.

So we see again in another CHRISTIAN BOOK that the name was NOT JE ZUS but in fact JOSHUA.

OK. There is more to come from other CHRISTIAN BOOKS your own pastor probably has in his personal library.

ob77 · Apr 24, 2014

WomanLovesTX said:

While I do not dispute what you state, showing me a scan of what could be the scribbling of a pre-schooler adds not the validity to what you show. I am in complete agreement with the word Joshua, or Yashua. The Hebrew language has no equivalent in character, or sound to the letter "J".

crossnote · Apr 24, 2014

Kerry said:

Nor was His name pronounced with a silent 'J' as in 'hey, Zeus!'

WomanLovesTX · Apr 24, 2014

We find further evidence in Vine's which shows that the Name Joshua and Jesus in Hebrew are in fact the same sound and name.

I have given you proof from the Christian books your pastor most likely uses and used as references in Bible College. So look now at one last book published by World Bible Publishers and Nelsons who bought out World Publishers a few years back.

Zechariah 6:11-13 (KJV) Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest; And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

H3444
ישׁוּעה
yeshû‛âh
yesh-oo'-aw
Feminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is, (abstractly) deliverance; hence aid, victory, prosperity: - deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.

All 78 of the OT scriptures with "Yeshua/Strong's H3444":

Gen_49:18; Exo_14:13; Exo_15:2; Deu_32:15; 1Sa_2:1; 1Sa_14:45; 2Sa_10:11; 2Sa_22:51; 1Ch_16:23; 2Ch_20:17; Job_13:16; Job_30:15; Psa_3:2; Psa_3:8; Psa_9:14; Psa_13:5; Psa_14:7; Psa_18:50; Psa_20:5; Psa_21:1; Psa_21:5; Psa_22:1; Psa_28:8; Psa_35:3; Psa_35:9; Psa_42:5; Psa_42:11; Psa_43:5; Psa_44:4; Psa_53:6; Psa_62:1; Psa_62:2; Psa_62:6; Psa_67:2; Psa_68:19; Psa_69:29; Psa_70:4; Psa_74:12; Psa_78:22; Psa_80:2; Psa_88:1; Psa_89:26; Psa_91:16; Psa_96:2; Psa_98:2; Psa_98:3; Psa_106:4; Psa_116:13; Psa_118:14; Psa_118:15; Psa_118:21; Psa_119:123; Psa_119:155; Psa_119:166; Psa_119:174; Psa_140:7; Psa_149:4; Isa_12:2; Isa_12:3; Isa_25:9; Isa_26:1; Isa_26:18; Isa_33:2; Isa_33:6; Isa_49:6; Isa_49:8; Isa_51:6; Isa_51:8; Isa_52:7; Isa_52:10; Isa_56:1; Isa_59:11; Isa_59:17; Isa_60:18; Isa_62:1; Jon_2:9; Hab_3:8;

ob77 · Apr 24, 2014

psalm6819 said:

Bacon Lettuce and Tomato? I'm with you there, when's lunch time?
While we are instructed not to eat certain things, it is important to educate ourselves as to the reason why.
Swine are part of God's clean up crew, just as things that dwell on the bottom of the sea: they eat crap, and when we eat them we are eating crap. While I do not eat anything of the water that does not have fins and scales, I do eat swine. Brats, sausage, bacon, little sizzlers, ham. These things are things we should not eat, but I am not above reproach.
I sin in this regard and I have been known to hoist a few beers. But about swine: they have no sweat glands. Many of the toxins they ingest stay with them and settle into the flesh, and when we eat them , we also ingest those toxins. If we get sick after eating swine, it is on us, for God warned us..........but why did he make it taste so good?

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