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A number of reliable references saying the real name behind Iosus/Jesus is Yahoshua/Yahshua/Yahushua but no?
So this Hebrew man was not called with a Hebrew name, but He was called with a name that includes a letter that did not exist until the 15th century. Really?
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noun, often capitalized often attributive \ˈjā\ : the 10th letter of the English alphabet
plural j's or js
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a : the 10th letter of the English alphabet
b : a speech counterpart of orthographic j
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a : a graphic device for reproducing the letter j
b : a unit vector parallel to the y-axis
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: one designated j especially as the 10th in order or class
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: something shaped like the letter J
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So this Hebrew man was not called with a Hebrew name, but He was called with a name that includes a letter that did not exist until the 15th century. Really?
j
noun, often capitalized often attributive \ˈjā\ : the 10th letter of the English alphabet
plural j's or js
Full Definition of J
1
a : the 10th letter of the English alphabet
b : a speech counterpart of orthographic j
2
a : a graphic device for reproducing the letter j
b : a unit vector parallel to the y-axis
3
: one designated j especially as the 10th in order or class
4
: something shaped like the letter J
See j defined for kids »
Examples of J
- a word that begins with a j
- a word that begins with j
First Known Use of J
15th century
J - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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This says exactly what I am saying:
Josephus, a Jew, wrote about Christ. Even he wrote down Jesus's name as the same Greek name as is written in the bible. Not one of the early Church fathers ever mentioned He had a Hebrew name. So if you think Jesus was called by a Hebrew name, please post the evidence.
And I am still waiting on evidence that a Hebrew Gospel of Mathew exists or a portion of it. You made the claim, please show me what evidence you have.
Josephus, a Jew, wrote about Christ. Even he wrote down Jesus's name as the same Greek name as is written in the bible. Not one of the early Church fathers ever mentioned He had a Hebrew name. So if you think Jesus was called by a Hebrew name, please post the evidence.
And I am still waiting on evidence that a Hebrew Gospel of Mathew exists or a portion of it. You made the claim, please show me what evidence you have.
Common sense is all one needs to understand that Jesus was a Jew. But even that is offensive to many Christians. To accept the common Hebrew language and that Yehoshua means Yah Saves and Jesus means...I don't know what that name means. Do you? God (Yehovah) did put a whole lot of emphasis on the meaning of the names, even at times changing the name to add more meaning, such as Abram to Abraham.
To me, my spirit sings when I hear the name of Yah's Salvation...whether it be the transliteration of Jesus or Yehoshua. I do prefer the Hebrew name because the meaning of His name is so to the point and no one can miss that point. Yah Saves!! HalleluJAH OR HalleluYAH. Praise Yah and Praise Yah's Salvation!!
Psa 68:4 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.
To me, my spirit sings when I hear the name of Yah's Salvation...whether it be the transliteration of Jesus or Yehoshua. I do prefer the Hebrew name because the meaning of His name is so to the point and no one can miss that point. Yah Saves!! HalleluJAH OR HalleluYAH. Praise Yah and Praise Yah's Salvation!!
Psa 68:4 Sing unto God, sing praises to his name: extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH, and rejoice before him.
No. If I ignored this topic I would not have posted in it. Discrediting no, although humourous and a thinly veiled dig at the King James Only Cult, it still a valid point that simply goes the other way in time, forwards not backwards.
Hebrew was a dead language, no one spoke it apart from the priests, rather like latin today. Would Jesus have been brought up a "normal" human, being given a stupid name people would laugh at because it was in a dead language.
Take say the Picts, lets assume someone was given a name today from that dead language imagine the bullying in today schools over it, not forgetting the laughter,
"Matthew , Martin, James, Andrew and Allcallorred please stand up".
Hebrew was a dead language, no one spoke it apart from the priests, rather like latin today. Would Jesus have been brought up a "normal" human, being given a stupid name people would laugh at because it was in a dead language.
Take say the Picts, lets assume someone was given a name today from that dead language imagine the bullying in today schools over it, not forgetting the laughter,
"Matthew , Martin, James, Andrew and Allcallorred please stand up".
Who hears and obeys the Messiah?
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."
Eusebius mentioned this idea, probably quoting someone before him, in his Ecclesiastical history. This was an early tradition-- that Matthew was written in Hebrew. (They might have called the Aramaic language by the same name judging with how Bible translators handle this point.)
There is the 'Shem Tov' Hebrew version of Matthew, found amongst some Jewish Talmudic type writings, not a really early manuscript. It's written in Hebrew, but the great commission passage and the abomination of desolation passage seem to be against preaching the Gospel to the nations.
There is the 'Shem Tov' Hebrew version of Matthew, found amongst some Jewish Talmudic type writings, not a really early manuscript. It's written in Hebrew, but the great commission passage and the abomination of desolation passage seem to be against preaching the Gospel to the nations.
If they are Jewish, they don't have to reject being Jewish to believe in Christ. I've known some people who've gone off the deep end. But we also have to keep in mind that the apostles and the Jerusalem church ate kosher food, participated in temple rituations, kept Jewish holidays, and circmcised their sons. That doesn't mean they rejected Jesus.
And I could find someone who called himself a Baptist or Reformed person or Methodist who fornicated, got drunk, or got a divorce over something frivilous. Does that mean I can say all Baptists or the Reformed, etc. are not Spirit-led?
Being a respecter of persons and preferring a language are not the same thing. God did reveal the scriptures in certain languages. The creation account shows God speaking Hebrew words in the creation. And Jesus is the Word of God through Whom everything that was made has been made. It's possible Hebrew will be the official language of the millenium.
Paul asks 'what advantage then hath the Jew?' He answered 'much every way....'
And I could find someone who called himself a Baptist or Reformed person or Methodist who fornicated, got drunk, or got a divorce over something frivilous. Does that mean I can say all Baptists or the Reformed, etc. are not Spirit-led?
Being a respecter of persons and preferring a language are not the same thing. God did reveal the scriptures in certain languages. The creation account shows God speaking Hebrew words in the creation. And Jesus is the Word of God through Whom everything that was made has been made. It's possible Hebrew will be the official language of the millenium.
Paul asks 'what advantage then hath the Jew?' He answered 'much every way....'
Sure Jesus had a Hebrew pronunciation, Yehoshua, and perhaps people called him by his Hebrew name during his time (though for that time era the aramaic or greek was more likely used.)
Basically way I see it as long as you can accurately translate God is Salvation into a language, that is Jesus name in any language. So Yehoshua, Yeshua, Iesous, Jesus, etc. all mean the same meaning and all refer to the same person.
Basically way I see it as long as you can accurately translate God is Salvation into a language, that is Jesus name in any language. So Yehoshua, Yeshua, Iesous, Jesus, etc. all mean the same meaning and all refer to the same person.
Absolutely WRONG! The Septuagint was translated in 323 BC, in response to the Hellenization of the known world by Alexander the Great. People completely lost their Hebrew, except perhaps the rabbis, and in some cases not even then.
I DO read both Hebrew and Greek. The fact is, GOD ordained the Greek language to be used to communicate the gospel in the 1st century AD. It was the lingua franca, and people spoke it from Spain to Persia, and south and north, too! It was one of the signs that the time was ripe for the incarnation, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The reason the name "Jesus" is used is because the Germanic scholars were the original ones to start translating the Bible from Greek. Their "Y" was pronounced "J". And so the tradition has continued.
I do find Ἰησοῦ in my Greek Bible, from Matt 1:1 to Revelation 22:21
"Βίβλος γενέσεως Ἰησοῦ χριστοῦ υἱοῦ Δαυὶδ υἱοῦ Ἀβραάμ." Matt 1:1
"Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου Ἰησοῦ μετὰ πάντων." Rev. 22:21
Actually, the word "Jesus, or if you prefer, Ἰησοῦς in the nominative case, is found 1058 times in the New Testament.
I just know I never call Jesus by his Hebrew name, because it does not appear in that form in the Hebrew Old Testament. And Ἰησοῦς is a little bit foreign, since I was a Christian for over 30 years before I learned Greek.
I think it is our heart relationship with Jesus that counts.
PS. People in Judea in Jesus time spoke Greek. The common people also spoke Aramaic. Hebrew was reserved for the synagogues, and most people didn't understand a word, just like when the Catholic Church foisted Latin on the world till only a few decades ago. Interestingly, the Orthodox Church always used the vernacular, until they came to North America, and continued to use the vernacular, which only the old immigrants understood, not their grandchildren or children. They lost most of their congregation that way.
So it is a safe bet to say that speaking in your heart language, the name of Jesus is the way to go. That is why they translate Bibles into different languages. So people can relate with their hearts to God.
I DO read both Hebrew and Greek. The fact is, GOD ordained the Greek language to be used to communicate the gospel in the 1st century AD. It was the lingua franca, and people spoke it from Spain to Persia, and south and north, too! It was one of the signs that the time was ripe for the incarnation, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The reason the name "Jesus" is used is because the Germanic scholars were the original ones to start translating the Bible from Greek. Their "Y" was pronounced "J". And so the tradition has continued.
I do find Ἰησοῦ in my Greek Bible, from Matt 1:1 to Revelation 22:21
"Βίβλος γενέσεως Ἰησοῦ χριστοῦ υἱοῦ Δαυὶδ υἱοῦ Ἀβραάμ." Matt 1:1
"Ἡ χάρις τοῦ κυρίου Ἰησοῦ μετὰ πάντων." Rev. 22:21
Actually, the word "Jesus, or if you prefer, Ἰησοῦς in the nominative case, is found 1058 times in the New Testament.
I just know I never call Jesus by his Hebrew name, because it does not appear in that form in the Hebrew Old Testament. And Ἰησοῦς is a little bit foreign, since I was a Christian for over 30 years before I learned Greek.
I think it is our heart relationship with Jesus that counts.
PS. People in Judea in Jesus time spoke Greek. The common people also spoke Aramaic. Hebrew was reserved for the synagogues, and most people didn't understand a word, just like when the Catholic Church foisted Latin on the world till only a few decades ago. Interestingly, the Orthodox Church always used the vernacular, until they came to North America, and continued to use the vernacular, which only the old immigrants understood, not their grandchildren or children. They lost most of their congregation that way.
So it is a safe bet to say that speaking in your heart language, the name of Jesus is the way to go. That is why they translate Bibles into different languages. So people can relate with their hearts to God.
All Israyl was not Hellenized, it was a sect of them, and there was conflict between them and some of the non-Hellenized Jews.
The Macabees, the Messian and His followers were not Hellenized.
Hellenized Jews mixed Judaisim with greek philosophy, most likely this was run and made up of a pharisee like elite group, with other followers of course, but certianly not the norm for an Israylite.
The Macabees, the Messian and His followers were not Hellenized.
Hellenized Jews mixed Judaisim with greek philosophy, most likely this was run and made up of a pharisee like elite group, with other followers of course, but certianly not the norm for an Israylite.