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And those who insist on saying "Jesus only" might have his agenda too. Many who use the "Hebrew" name, including myself very often, do not hold a gun to your head saying you must say His Hebrew name nor imply one is a lesser Christian if he fails to say so.
The OP could be edifying if not for the snobbery remarks.
The OP could be edifying if not for the snobbery remarks.
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Nice, more snobbery? It would seem that only those who judge others are allowed into the HRM.
Why not use the name reaveled in the Greek scriptures? OK, you don't like the reaveled name of God written by apostles who knew Jesus , face to face? Fine, pick any name you wish.
English: Jesus
French: Jésus
German: Jesus
Swahilli: Jesus
Arabic: Isa
Greek: Ιησούς
Chinese (Simplified Han): 耶稣
Italian: Gesù
Japanese: イエス・キリスト
Korean: 예수
Russian: Иисус
Spanish: Jesús
Bulgarian: Исус
Czech: Ježíš
Dutch: Jezus
Estonian: Jeesus
Haitian Creole: Jezi
Hungarian: Jézus
Romanian: Isus
Thai: พระเยซู
Turkish: Isa
Why not use the name reaveled in the Greek scriptures? OK, you don't like the reaveled name of God written by apostles who knew Jesus , face to face? Fine, pick any name you wish.
English: Jesus
French: Jésus
German: Jesus
Swahilli: Jesus
Arabic: Isa
Greek: Ιησούς
Chinese (Simplified Han): 耶稣
Italian: Gesù
Japanese: イエス・キリスト
Korean: 예수
Russian: Иисус
Spanish: Jesús
Bulgarian: Исус
Czech: Ježíš
Dutch: Jezus
Estonian: Jeesus
Haitian Creole: Jezi
Hungarian: Jézus
Romanian: Isus
Thai: พระเยซู
Turkish: Isa
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I don't insist on any name for Jesus. I don't judge others. I especially don't judge others who use a different name for Jesus. Yet it seems clear to me that those who are English speaking and insist on calling Jesus by a Hebrew name, not revealed in scripture, more than likely have an agenda.
I have seen it many times before. Those in the HRM want others to live as the Jews do. They nail a Mesuza on their door post, wear a talit, eat Kosher foods only, observe the Sabbath and other Jewish holidays. Some even go so far down that rabbit whole they reject Christ and become a Jew.
I guess I assume that those in the HRM are not Spirit led, as commanded in the NT. They are Hebrew culture led, Law led and feel like it helps them get closer to God. I guess I also assume that those in the HRM are deceived and/or are deceivers as they encourage others to become a Jew-Christian with them.
God is not respecter of persons. God does not prefer prayers in any particular language. God does not prefer any particular culture and there is no advantage before God by saying Yeshua, Yahoshua, or any other Jewish term.
I have seen it many times before. Those in the HRM want others to live as the Jews do. They nail a Mesuza on their door post, wear a talit, eat Kosher foods only, observe the Sabbath and other Jewish holidays. Some even go so far down that rabbit whole they reject Christ and become a Jew.
I guess I assume that those in the HRM are not Spirit led, as commanded in the NT. They are Hebrew culture led, Law led and feel like it helps them get closer to God. I guess I also assume that those in the HRM are deceived and/or are deceivers as they encourage others to become a Jew-Christian with them.
God is not respecter of persons. God does not prefer prayers in any particular language. God does not prefer any particular culture and there is no advantage before God by saying Yeshua, Yahoshua, or any other Jewish term.
The Messiah was a Hebrew man, with a Hebrew name...
Matt was originally written in Hebrew, the content of the Hebrew version is more original in content than any other version (Greek or Aramaic), the Hebrew version does not contain a CRITICAL error that all other manuscripts do, add that to the fact that "Hebrew word puns are regularly displayed in the Hebrew version, and that these words do not make sense in any other language...
In the Hebrew version of Mattithyah (Gift of Yahweh) It says, "for His name will be called Yahshua/Yahushua for He will save His people."
Yahshua means Yahweh is Salvation...
Micahyah (Micah) 4:5, "For all people walk each in the name of his god, but we will walk in the Name of Yahweh our Father forever and ever."
Revelations 3:8, "I know your works. Behold, I have set before you an open door, and no man can shut it; for you have a little strength, and have kept My word, and have not denied My Name."
Matt was originally written in Hebrew, the content of the Hebrew version is more original in content than any other version (Greek or Aramaic), the Hebrew version does not contain a CRITICAL error that all other manuscripts do, add that to the fact that "Hebrew word puns are regularly displayed in the Hebrew version, and that these words do not make sense in any other language...
In the Hebrew version of Mattithyah (Gift of Yahweh) It says, "for His name will be called Yahshua/Yahushua for He will save His people."
Yahshua means Yahweh is Salvation...
Micahyah (Micah) 4:5, "For all people walk each in the name of his god, but we will walk in the Name of Yahweh our Father forever and ever."
Revelations 3:8, "I know your works. Behold, I have set before you an open door, and no man can shut it; for you have a little strength, and have kept My word, and have not denied My Name."
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Prove Jesus had a Hebrew name. Two of the disciples had Aramaic names-NOT HEBREW. You have no clue what Jesus' real name was. You only assume it is Hebrew.
Worse than all that, you are not happy with the true revealed name of Christ in scripture so you want it to be a Hebrew name. Men who had been eyewitness to Christ and knew Him intimately and under the influence of the Holy Spirit, wrote down His name as "Ἰησοῦς". Yet you are not happy with this name. No, you seek to Judaize it.
There is no physical evidence Matthew was written in Hebrew. Almost 200 years later Ireneaus wrote that Matthew was written in Hebrew. Origen said this was a tradition that Mathew was written in Hebrew. Keep in mind a tradition is no hard evidence. There is not even a single scrape of any NT manuscripts that is in Hebrew. This is nothing but you fanciful thinking, its shoe fly pie in the sky. What is wrong with Greek?
Worse than all that, you are not happy with the true revealed name of Christ in scripture so you want it to be a Hebrew name. Men who had been eyewitness to Christ and knew Him intimately and under the influence of the Holy Spirit, wrote down His name as "Ἰησοῦς". Yet you are not happy with this name. No, you seek to Judaize it.
There is no physical evidence Matthew was written in Hebrew. Almost 200 years later Ireneaus wrote that Matthew was written in Hebrew. Origen said this was a tradition that Mathew was written in Hebrew. Keep in mind a tradition is no hard evidence. There is not even a single scrape of any NT manuscripts that is in Hebrew. This is nothing but you fanciful thinking, its shoe fly pie in the sky. What is wrong with Greek?
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Ohh, Dan....
No actually as I stated the is a Hebrew SCROLL of Mattithyah, if its content is studied it is in no less than 3 places the most accurate and origin manuscript of Matt publicly known. If you wish PM me and I will show one critical truth. (I will not post it here because it may shake some that are not rooted).
You say 2 of the disciples had aramaic names. ok, great, how many of them had Hebrew names? (all the rest)
Did the half brother(s) of Messiah have hebrew names?
"James" real name is Yahdah/Yahudah, "James was forged in due to King James wanting his name in the text.
Was there Hellenized Jews? yes. Was the whole nation Hellenized? no
The pharisees banned the use of Yahweh on threat of death.
Most seem to go right along with this ploy of satan
What do we care more about tradition and comfort or truth?
No actually as I stated the is a Hebrew SCROLL of Mattithyah, if its content is studied it is in no less than 3 places the most accurate and origin manuscript of Matt publicly known. If you wish PM me and I will show one critical truth. (I will not post it here because it may shake some that are not rooted).
You say 2 of the disciples had aramaic names. ok, great, how many of them had Hebrew names? (all the rest)
Did the half brother(s) of Messiah have hebrew names?
"James" real name is Yahdah/Yahudah, "James was forged in due to King James wanting his name in the text.
Was there Hellenized Jews? yes. Was the whole nation Hellenized? no
The pharisees banned the use of Yahweh on threat of death.
Most seem to go right along with this ploy of satan
What do we care more about tradition and comfort or truth?
Im not going o hold anyone hand through the entire process, because most dont care to seek out truth anyway, but here are a few links to get you started.
I formatted my computer and forgot to save my bookmarks but here are a few links to get you started.(quickly found them)
I urge you to study the material for yourself, we can find websites that say it a great discovery and we can find websites that say it not. But taking either sides word for it is parroting and not truthful seeking. Study the content of the text and you will find out why I say its content is more original than any other text publicly known. Or don't and by the wave of a hand discredit it, your choice.
A microfilm PDF (i think its called)
http://www.torahresource.com/DuTillet/Ms.Heb.28_Howard.Ms.A.pdf
Chapter 5: Matthew's Gospel in Hebrew
Best translation I know of at this time:
A version of Matt, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Rev, using Hebrew Mattithyah
The Chronological Gospels - The Life and Seventy Week Ministry of the Messiah
Here is another translation of it, though it is poor because it was reverted to "common" texts not staying true to the original manuscript.(Irrevelent to what we think is the most accurate version, if a text is translated to not say what the original text says it is dishonest)
THE HEBREW GOSPEL OF MATTHEW: George Howard: 9780865549890: Amazon.com: Books
I formatted my computer and forgot to save my bookmarks but here are a few links to get you started.(quickly found them)
I urge you to study the material for yourself, we can find websites that say it a great discovery and we can find websites that say it not. But taking either sides word for it is parroting and not truthful seeking. Study the content of the text and you will find out why I say its content is more original than any other text publicly known. Or don't and by the wave of a hand discredit it, your choice.
A microfilm PDF (i think its called)
http://www.torahresource.com/DuTillet/Ms.Heb.28_Howard.Ms.A.pdf
Chapter 5: Matthew's Gospel in Hebrew
Best translation I know of at this time:
A version of Matt, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Rev, using Hebrew Mattithyah
The Chronological Gospels - The Life and Seventy Week Ministry of the Messiah
Here is another translation of it, though it is poor because it was reverted to "common" texts not staying true to the original manuscript.(Irrevelent to what we think is the most accurate version, if a text is translated to not say what the original text says it is dishonest)
THE HEBREW GOSPEL OF MATTHEW: George Howard: 9780865549890: Amazon.com: Books
No, I think God is okay with transliteration of certain holy words, like His son's name. You can also see that Yehoshua is indeed translated as Iesous from the Hebrew Bible to the New Testament scriptures. I take that as evidence that it is okay to choose the closest sounding letter to one in Hebrew into a language (or an alternate Hebrew pronunciation that corresponds with the only one available in Greek).
Do you think it is a sin to call Jesus 'Lord' instead of 'Kurious' or call God 'God' instead of Elohim?
Do you think it is a sin to call Jesus 'Lord' instead of 'Kurious' or call God 'God' instead of Elohim?
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If you are Ok with transliteration, then Jesus is OK, right?
No it is not a sin to say Lord verses kurios. They mean the same thing in two different languages.
You say Yehoshua, but not all of the sacred name movement agrees with you. There are many ways to spell it and with each spelling and pronunciation, there are those who claim it is the sacred name of Jesus.
No it is not a sin to say Lord verses kurios. They mean the same thing in two different languages.
You say Yehoshua, but not all of the sacred name movement agrees with you. There are many ways to spell it and with each spelling and pronunciation, there are those who claim it is the sacred name of Jesus.
Not saying "the scholars" are always right but there is this.
2424 - Iésous
Iésous: Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.
Original Word: Ἰησοῦς, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Iésous
Phonetic Spelling: (ee-ay-sooce')
Short Definition: Jesus
Definition: Jesus; the Greek form of Joshua; Jesus, son of Eliezer; Jesus, surnamed Justus.
Word Origin - of Hebrew origin Yehoshua
Definition - Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.
Strong's Greek 2424 - 923 Occurrences
3091 - Yehoshua
Yehoshua: "the LORD is salvation," Moses' successor, also the name of a number of Isr.
Original Word: יְהוֹשׁ֫וּעַ
Part of Speech: proper name, masculine; proper name, of a location; proper name
Transliteration: Yehoshua
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah)
Short Definition: Joshua
Word Origin - from Yhvh and yasha
Definition - "the LORD is salvation," Moses' successor, also the name of a number of Isr.
2424 - Iésous
Iésous: Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.
Original Word: Ἰησοῦς, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Iésous
Phonetic Spelling: (ee-ay-sooce')
Short Definition: Jesus
Definition: Jesus; the Greek form of Joshua; Jesus, son of Eliezer; Jesus, surnamed Justus.
Word Origin - of Hebrew origin Yehoshua
Definition - Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr.
Strong's Greek 2424 - 923 Occurrences
3091 - Yehoshua
Yehoshua: "the LORD is salvation," Moses' successor, also the name of a number of Isr.
Original Word: יְהוֹשׁ֫וּעַ
Part of Speech: proper name, masculine; proper name, of a location; proper name
Transliteration: Yehoshua
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah)
Short Definition: Joshua
Word Origin - from Yhvh and yasha
Definition - "the LORD is salvation," Moses' successor, also the name of a number of Isr.
I posted 5 (FIVE) references of scanned Christian books PROVING (not uneducated guesses!!). Did you ignore the very proof you keep saying no one has?
1) The New Chain Reference Bible POST #52 http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...us-have-hebrew-name-really-3.html#post1501797
2) The New Unger's Bible Dictionary POST #56 http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...us-have-hebrew-name-really-3.html#post1501822
3) Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible POST #56 http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...us-have-hebrew-name-really-3.html#post1501822 & 51 http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...us-have-hebrew-name-really-3.html#post1501779
4) Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words POST #59 http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...us-have-hebrew-name-really-3.html#post1501860
5) Exegeses Ready Research Bible POST #59 http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...us-have-hebrew-name-really-3.html#post1501860
1) The New Chain Reference Bible POST #52 http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...us-have-hebrew-name-really-3.html#post1501797
2) The New Unger's Bible Dictionary POST #56 http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...us-have-hebrew-name-really-3.html#post1501822
3) Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible POST #56 http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...us-have-hebrew-name-really-3.html#post1501822 & 51 http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...us-have-hebrew-name-really-3.html#post1501779
4) Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words POST #59 http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...us-have-hebrew-name-really-3.html#post1501860
5) Exegeses Ready Research Bible POST #59 http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...us-have-hebrew-name-really-3.html#post1501860
A number of reliable references saying the real name behind Iosus/Jesus is Yahoshua/Yahshua/Yahushua but no?
So this Hebrew man was not called with a Hebrew name, but He was called with a name that includes a letter that did not exist until the 15th century. Really?
j
noun, often capitalized often attributive \ˈjā\ : the 10th letter of the English alphabet
plural j's or js
Full Definition of J
1
a : the 10th letter of the English alphabet
b : a speech counterpart of orthographic j
2
a : a graphic device for reproducing the letter j
b : a unit vector parallel to the y-axis
3
: one designated j especially as the 10th in order or class
4
: something shaped like the letter J
See j defined for English-language learners »
See j defined for kids »
Examples of J
First Known Use of J
15th century
J - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
So this Hebrew man was not called with a Hebrew name, but He was called with a name that includes a letter that did not exist until the 15th century. Really?
j
noun, often capitalized often attributive \ˈjā\ : the 10th letter of the English alphabet
plural j's or js
Full Definition of J
1
a : the 10th letter of the English alphabet
b : a speech counterpart of orthographic j
2
a : a graphic device for reproducing the letter j
b : a unit vector parallel to the y-axis
3
: one designated j especially as the 10th in order or class
4
: something shaped like the letter J
See j defined for kids »
Examples of J
- a word that begins with a j
- a word that begins with j
First Known Use of J
15th century
J - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
