Did Jesus Return in AD 70?

[Timeline]

Rev 1:3
Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.
Rev 22:10
[ The Final Message ] And he *said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.
Rev 1:1
[ The Revelation of Jesus Christ ] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John,

Rev 22:6
And he said to me, “These words are faithful and true”; and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show to His bond-servants the things which must soon take place.

It's almost like Jesus (through John) was trying to tell us something. Does anyone think that John was confused? Maybe he didn't write it down at the time during the vision and couldn't remember later that Jesus didn't say soon or that the time is near, he actually said 2,000+ years later. Or maybe John wrote the Revelation in 1960.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

More importantly, can we misunderstand His promises? How He has kept them already? That Jesus was and is the answer?

Yes he was. The answer to the covenant, In you shall all the nations be blessed.

But we are not talking about this, can we stick to the topic please.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

hmm, why did you skip my other comments.. Makes me wonder

 

[CRC]

The Return of Jesus and the Heavenly host that is mentioned in Revelations 19:11 did not occur in A.D.70.

 

[Bookends]

It was being prepared until Matthew 12. It's still to come. It was held in abeyance due to Israel's rejection of her King...and no Kingdom until they receive her King.

So since the Jews rejected Jesus as their king, you are saying and believe the word of Jesus were only for Jews. So the teachings of Jesus were not for this dispensation (what we live in now), but are reserved for when the Jews receive Jesus as their King is some future millennium reign. All I can say is Wow. Tell me, does Jesus return with the kingdom and then the Jews believe, or do the Jews believe as a condition for Jesus's return with the kingdom?

So Jesus failed to bring His kingdom in because the Jews rejected Him. I don't buy it.

 

[Timeline]

hmm, why did you skip my other comments.. Makes me wonder

Hmm, why have you skipped some of my comments, Makes me wonder

 

[Timeline]

Paul is speaking future tense there bro.

So you tell me (this is LONG after Christ died and rose again)

look at the context.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; [SUP]26 [/SUP]and so all Israel will be saved

The context is future. not past.

What do you think the fullness of the Gentiles means? It was most likely the complete destruction of the Israelite Temple, sacrifices (which was through God, but replaced with the Law of Grace and the Temple of the body of Jesus Christ - which was God's plan from the beginning). God destroyed the temple and the Levitical bloodline in order to force the end of the sacrifices. You know, because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice and became the foundation of the new spiritual temple being built to the very day. 1 Peter 2:1-8
2 Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander, [SUP]2 [/SUP]like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation, [SUP]3 [/SUP]if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, [SUP]5 [/SUP]you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For this is contained in Scripture:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone,
And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”

[SUP]7 [/SUP]This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve,
“The stone which the builders rejected,This became the very corner stone,”

[SUP]8 [/SUP]and,
“A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense”;

for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.

Romans 12:1
[ Dedicated Service ] Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

 

[Timeline]

Ez. 12:28 Therefore say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “None of My words will be delayed any longer. Whatever word I speak will be performed,”’” declares the Lord God.


Dan. 8:26 “The vision of the evenings and mornings
Which has been told is true;
But keep the vision secret,
For it pertains to many days in the future.”

Why keep it a secret?, because it pertains to many days in the future.
Do you think this vision has not been fulfilled?

Dan. 8:20 The ram which you saw with the two horns represents the kings of Media and Persia.

Dan. 8:21 The shaggy goat represents the kingdom of Greece, and the large horn that is between his eyes is the first king. [SUP]22 [/SUP]The broken horn and the four horns that arose in its place represent four kingdoms which will arise from his nation, although not with his power.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Ezekiel was also shown a vision of a third temple to be built, that temple has not been built yet.

 

[Timeline]

Ez. 44:6-8
[SUP]6 [/SUP]You shall say to the rebellious ones, to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Enough of all your abominations, O house of Israel, [SUP]7 [/SUP]when you brought in foreigners, uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in My sanctuary to profane it, even My house, when you offered My food, the fat and the blood; for they made My covenant void—this in addition to all your abominations. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And you have not kept charge of My holy things yourselves, but you have set foreigners to keep charge of My sanctuary.”

 

[Timeline]

1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.


[SUP]10 [/SUP]According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, [SUP]13 [/SUP]each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work. [SUP]14 [/SUP]If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
[SUP]16[/SUP]Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? [SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, “He is the one who catches the wise in their craftiness”; [SUP]20 [/SUP]and again, “The Lord knows the reasonings of the wise, that they are useless.” [SUP]21 [/SUP]So then let no one boast in men. For all things belong to you, [SUP]22 [/SUP]whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things present or things to come; all things belong to you, [SUP]23 [/SUP]and you belong to Christ; and Christ belongs to God.

 

[Timeline]

1 Thessalonians 5:1-11
Now as to the times and the epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. [SUP]3 [/SUP]While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape. [SUP]4 [/SUP]But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief; [SUP]5[/SUP]for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; [SUP]6 [/SUP]so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For those who sleep do their sleeping at night, and those who get drunk get drunk at night. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But since we are of the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, [SUP]10 [/SUP]who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore encourage one another and build up one another, just as you also are doing.

Ephesians 2:11-22
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision” by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands— [SUP]12 [/SUP]remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, [SUP]15 [/SUP]by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And He came and preached peace to you who were far away, and peace to those who were near; [SUP]18 [/SUP]for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father. [SUP]19 [/SUP]So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, [SUP]20 [/SUP]having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, [SUP]21 [/SUP]in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, [SUP]22 [/SUP]in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

Revelation 21:22-27
[SUP]22 [/SUP]I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb. [SUP]24 [/SUP]The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. [SUP]25 [/SUP]In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed; [SUP]26 [/SUP]and they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it; [SUP]27 [/SUP]and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

 

[Bookends]

Ezekiel was also shown a vision of a third temple to be built, that temple has not been built yet.

Neither was the 2nd temple. So why would God skip of the 2nd and go straight to the 3rd?
What makes you so sure, the vision doesn't state it's the 3rd.

 

[Timeline]

Neither was the 2nd temple. So why would God skip of the 2nd and go straight to the 3rd?
What makes you so sure, the vision doesn't state it's the 3rd.

I agree with you on a lot of things, but why do you say that the second temple wasn't built?

 

[Bookends]

I agree with you on a lot of things, but why do you say that the second temple wasn't built?

When Ezekiel prophesied or had the vision of the temple, Ezekiel was still in Babylon. The 1st temple was destroyed by the Babylonians, the second one wasn't built until after Ezekiel saw this vision. The vision took place in the 25th year of the Jews captivity as stated in Ezekiel chapter 40.

 

[Timeline]

When Ezekiel prophesied or had the vision of the temple, Ezekiel was still in Babylon. The 1st temple was destroyed by the Babylonians, the second one wasn't built until after Ezekiel saw this vision. The vision took place in the 25th year of the Jews captivity as stated in Ezekiel chapter 40.

Oh, sorry, I thought that you were saying that the second temple has never been built. That makes more sense now.

 

[john832]

Neither was the 2nd temple. So why would God skip of the 2nd and go straight to the 3rd?
What makes you so sure, the vision doesn't state it's the 3rd.

Hmmm, what is known as Herod's Temple, the edifice destroyed in 70AD has not been built?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Hmmm, what is known as Herod's Temple, the edifice destroyed in 70AD has not been built?

Herod's addition to the Temple is not the Second Temple. Herod's additions came centuries afterwards. Herod's additions would fall outside the bounds of the Temple also. 2nd Temple was built by the jews during the time of the Medo-Persian Empire I believe.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hmm, why have you skipped some of my comments, Makes me wonder

what comments? Again, lets stick to the topic and not go off on side streets, we will never get anywhere.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What do you think the fullness of the Gentiles means? It was most likely the complete destruction of the Israelite Temple, sacrifices (which was through God, but replaced with the Law of Grace and the Temple of the body of Jesus Christ - which was God's plan from the beginning). God destroyed the temple and the Levitical bloodline in order to force the end of the sacrifices. You know, because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice and became the foundation of the new spiritual temple being built to the very day. 1 Peter 2:1-8

So what your telling me is that the fullness of the gentiles is Isreal's destruction? I have heard some things, but never heard this. I do not see how this would be the fullness of the gentiles.

I believe it is the end of the gentile dominion as spoken in Daniel the beasts, or gentile dominion over Jerusalem. Which started with babylon, and to this day has not ended. Which AD 70 would not fit this fulfilment.

And oh by the way, The sacrifices:

1. Never took away sin
2. Even if they did, were made obsolete the moment Christ rose from the dead (some 40 years earlier)

also. another possible interpretation is the time the gentile church falls away, and goes the way of Israel. which also is prophesied.

either way we know this.

The blindness of israel did not stop in 70 AD, if anything it got worse
and ALL Israel was not saved in AD 70 so there is nothing in the text which was fulfilled. and again, it is yet future.

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Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander, [SUP]2 [/SUP]like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation, [SUP]3 [/SUP]if you have tasted the kindness of the Lord.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, [SUP]5 [/SUP]you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For this is contained in Scripture:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone,
And he who believes in Him will not be disappointed.”

[SUP]7 [/SUP]This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve,
“The stone which the builders rejected,This became the very corner stone,”

[SUP]8 [/SUP]and,
“A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense”;

for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.

Romans 12:1
[ Dedicated Service ] Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.

ok your going back to the salvation issue again. why can we not stick on subject. The context of romans 11 is not salvation, it is what is happening with the nation israel.