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The body is one thing and the soul is the other. The body is the outer casing of the soul. Death is a realm that is absent from all the things of God. A physical death is when the body has no sign life in it, but a spiritual death is having not any sign of life at all. Your eyes bring light into the body and which the light is the life that it bring. Without light, a person wouldn't be aware of its surroundings, and which that is how hell is going to be like; the devil and his disciples are going to be left in the dark, having the strong desires to afflict or to cause harm, but not aware of whom is around them, but they'll be trapped in their thoughts wishing or a burning desires to have someone to torment, but they are unable to sense the ones that are around them.
Proverb 4:16 For they cannot sleep unless they have done wrong; they are robbed of sleep unless they have made someone stumble.
Proverb 4:16 For they cannot sleep unless they have done wrong; they are robbed of sleep unless they have made someone stumble.
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Luke 23.46 "and when he had cried with a loud voice he said, Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit, and having said thus, he gave up the ghost". All you people need to familiarize yourselves with the whole and express word of God, that is the only way to know the truth, and to not be deceived by the winds of doctrine.
With love for the brethren
With love for the brethren
I know why it sounds that way to you:
1 Corinthians 2:10-14 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Trinitarians think that they can talk garbage and use this passage to defend the incomprehensibility of what they say.
Like when you said to a muslim, "we believe in the Trinity." You might as well say "I believe in the Nicene creed, I believe in the Council of Chalcedon. I believe in the Byzantine church." He will retort, Allah gave all those places into the hands of Islam forever, and all the Christian women became slaves and concubines of Islam, and all the Christian men were massacred, so your Trinity must be a puny god indeed.
And if you look long and hard enough in the bible, there is only one God, the Father. Eph 4;6, so may be your Trinity of equal Gods isn't even scriptural as well as being illogical and incomprehensible.
Like when you said to a muslim, "we believe in the Trinity." You might as well say "I believe in the Nicene creed, I believe in the Council of Chalcedon. I believe in the Byzantine church." He will retort, Allah gave all those places into the hands of Islam forever, and all the Christian women became slaves and concubines of Islam, and all the Christian men were massacred, so your Trinity must be a puny god indeed.
And if you look long and hard enough in the bible, there is only one God, the Father. Eph 4;6, so may be your Trinity of equal Gods isn't even scriptural as well as being illogical and incomprehensible.
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Sorry, you lack all discrimination and discernment. He who is in you is the Holy Spirit, not the "Trinity." He who came down to earth is the Son of God, not "God the Son." He who imparts divinity to the Word and the Spirit is the Father. It is the Father alone who is the source of all divinity, and the Son and the Holy Spirit are divine through their relation to the Father. That is the true doctrine. We believe in "God" not "the Trinity." Exalting the "Trinity" is putting humanistic philosophy in the place of God. That is why Islam defeated Christianity, because Christianity gave up God and replaced it with humanism.
No, I would not know your doctrine, as it cannot be found in the bible. It is a gnostic doctrine of man-invented terms and concepts, known only to the super-elect, who are more elect then everyone else, so much so, that the rest of the world now largely ignores them. Their churches are falling into ruin, being closed by the hundred, and apostasy had infiltrated their ranks, women are their priests, homosexuals their bishops. Paganism is its name. You can gladly have your three Gods, for this paganization of Christianity has been the ruin of Christianity everywhere.
WOW, you really know NOTHING about what Conservative Evangelicals believe, do you.
We still believe that Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said that women are not permitted to become Church Overseers (Pastors and Elders), because that is GOD's plan.
We still believe that homosexuality is a sin that can and must be repented of, like any other sin.
We still believe that the BIBLE is all inspired by GOD in it's original languages.
AND YES we still believe the BIBLE and JESUS clearly present the Fact that GOD is a TRIUNE GOD.
Believe whatever you want, but get the facts straight about what we Believe, PLEASE.
If you do not want to believe the verses I showed you mean exactly what they say,
Then do remember that you rejected what I tried to share with you about the Holy Trinity.
If you want to dig into our beliefs more, here is a doctrinal statement that I totally agree with:
Grace to You
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Of course I wasn't referring to all Trinitarian denominations. There are a few, Free Presbyterianism, Brethren that adhere to the Westminister Confession that still uphold moral standards, but they don't really emphasize the triune God as much as you do, who are totally OTT, as you can't even mention the word God without insisting on a Trinity.
However my point is fully born out in the vast majority of the classical Trinitarian churches in the UK and probably in the USA too, namely CofE, Methodist, United Reform, Church of Scotland. Then there are others such as Quakers, Unitarians who are even worse. Not sure about Catholics, but they were never very hot on morals cf the many scandals.
Christianity could be facing a catastrophic collapse in Britain according to official figures suggesting it is declining 50 per cent faster than previously thought
And that's just the numbers game. Every one of the major Trinitarian denominations I have listed above is in a state of almost total relapse in terms of doctrine.
However my point is fully born out in the vast majority of the classical Trinitarian churches in the UK and probably in the USA too, namely CofE, Methodist, United Reform, Church of Scotland. Then there are others such as Quakers, Unitarians who are even worse. Not sure about Catholics, but they were never very hot on morals cf the many scandals.
Christianity could be facing a catastrophic collapse in Britain according to official figures suggesting it is declining 50 per cent faster than previously thought
And that's just the numbers game. Every one of the major Trinitarian denominations I have listed above is in a state of almost total relapse in terms of doctrine.
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SO how come our Church that seats 350, now has three Services on Sunday mornings and sometimes if you get there at the last minute you end up watching the Service on closed circuit TV in another room. In fact we are tearing out the foyer and the wall this winter to make more room for pews at the back? And two Sundays ago, how come the Pastor had to ask the Congregation to stop giving to the Building Fund for now, because we had enough money to complete the project? Your figures don't compute where I am from.
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There are verses in the bible which says the soul dieth. And adam became a living soul when god breathed to his nostrils. It is clear from this that adam did not have a soul until God breathed.jesus christ submitted his breath i.e the spirit to God on the cross. So where is the soul? Soul in another word is "being" and it exist only when there is a body and the breath of god
Scripture says Jesus Christ was "dead" for three days.
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Hi VCO, In Answer To Your Trinitarianism , I Am Confuse , A TRIUME GOD?,, Are You Saying Then, That Exod20:2 Should Read," We Are The LORDS Your GODS, Instead I Am The LORD Thy GOD?"Or Are You Saying Mark 12: 29 The Lord Thy God Is 3 LORDSAre You Also Saying 1st Cor 8: 6 Should Be Change To,But Unto Us 3 Gods ?,,,, Please Don't Confuse Me With John 10: 30 I And My Father Are ONE,Because I Understand That,Because Jesus Explain That In John 17:21-23,in Union As Husband And Wife Mat 19:5-6,......So My Question To Understand This Clearly , Is Christianity MONOTHEISTIC Or POLYTHEISTIC ? And It Can Not Be Both Ways. Therefore In Consideration Of James 2: 10,If One Offends In One Point Of The Law, He Is Guilty Of ALL;,,,,That Is Scary ,That Is Why I Asked The Clarity Of ONE Or THREE.. Thanks ,God Bless...
YES, but Adam was formed from Clay and did not have a single muscle twitching until GOD breathed into him the breath of life, which is part of the soul as well as the thoughts, feeling, emotions, memory, cognitive abilities, psyche, etc. ALL BEGAN AT THAT MOMENT. Adam also was created with an eternally alive to GOD spirit, knowing right from wrong. In other words Adam sinned in the light, just like any born again Christian sins in the light, when he sins. Because of Adam and Eve's sin all the rest of us were born with human spirit that is dead to doing the will of GOD, what we call a sin nature. I think writers, translators, pastors, and teachers for a very long time, have had so much trouble explaining the differences between soul and spirit that they all but stopped trying; and as a result have in many cases used the two words interchangeably, excusing it by says two are inseparable. That is sad because the Bible teaches us that Word of God is sharper than a two edge sword, able to divide soul and spirit. All you have to do is dig for the answers, and clues to where that dividing line is:
Job 33:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Yea, his soul draweth near unto the grave, and his life to the destroyers.
Ecclesiastes 3:21 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Who knows if the spirit of people rises upward and the spirit of animals goes downward to the earth?
Not that animals actually have spirits, but the writer is acknowledging that the teachings of his day that some debated was that unlike animals that just go to the grave, the human believers have their spirits go to heaven. Paul knows there is a part of a believer that goes to the Lord in Heaven and longs for it.
Philippians 1:23-26 (ESV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] But to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Convinced of this, I know that I will remain and continue with you all, for your progress and joy in the faith,
[SUP]26 [/SUP] so that in me you may have ample cause to glory in Christ Jesus, because of my coming to you again.
Philippians 3:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] but our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:8 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
Psalm 146:4 (NIV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing.
The believer's spirit goes to heaven and the unbeliever's spirit goes to hades.
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Basically it means that all the other churches in the vicinity are crap, or suspect, or too biblical for most people's tastes. The reality of today's world is that most people will be attracted to the sort of church that doesn't compromise their lifestyle too much, and doesn't require too much effort, or require too much sacrifice etc. We have lots of mega churches in the UK, but they're not biblical, and my experience of them is dreadful. In one I visited the pastor's sermon was all about how people shouldn't criticize him, as if he were above the law.
I know of churches in the UK where sermons have been preached that the congregation should give up their TVs, and half of them left. If your church required women to cover their heads, I should imagine the same would happen. There is a kind of symbiotic relation between the congregation and the pastor needed to attract a large congregation and I am afraid it always requires compromise with the world, doctrine etc.
Obviously I'm not a perfect judge of churches, but quite frankly, when I have looked at some of the people going to these churches, models, actresses, people who would rather have unmarried relations than married relations, lawyers who spend their time defrauding people, and who commit serious fraud on a regular basis, along with their hypocritical wives who live off their fraud, my stomach retches.
Consider the church in Sardis. A reputation of being alive, but spiritually dead.
I know of churches in the UK where sermons have been preached that the congregation should give up their TVs, and half of them left. If your church required women to cover their heads, I should imagine the same would happen. There is a kind of symbiotic relation between the congregation and the pastor needed to attract a large congregation and I am afraid it always requires compromise with the world, doctrine etc.
Obviously I'm not a perfect judge of churches, but quite frankly, when I have looked at some of the people going to these churches, models, actresses, people who would rather have unmarried relations than married relations, lawyers who spend their time defrauding people, and who commit serious fraud on a regular basis, along with their hypocritical wives who live off their fraud, my stomach retches.
Consider the church in Sardis. A reputation of being alive, but spiritually dead.
Those of us who believe in the HOLY TRINITY, most certainly are MONOTHEISTIC!
God the Father, HE is GOD.
God the Holy Spirit, HE is GOD.
God the Son, HE IS GOD, and HE is man.
The Three are ONE GOD, comprised of three parts or personages, the FATHER the HOLY SPIRIT and the SON.
THREE PARTS with THREE DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS, AND ONE COEQUAL DEITY.
Why does that make perfect sense to me. Because both of you are triune beings.
You are body, soul, and spirit, created in the image of GOD, and YET you are only ONE human being.
BUT it says GOD IS SPIRIT, and that is absolutely correct, but JESUS is ALSO human with three parts just like us. The difference between Jesus and us is, while our human spirits were created by GOD the Son, carrying out the will of the Father; the Spirit IN JESUS IS GOD, thus HE fulfilled His OWN Definition of the Greatest form of LOVE, and HE died a substitutionary death for us, whom HE loves. That functional difference between God the SON doing the will of GOD the FATHER within the SINGULAR DEITY, has always defined the difference in functions between the Father and the Son. And the FUNCTION within the DEITY of the Holy Spirit, is to enable and empower us to do the will of the Father, starting with believing in the only GOD that exists the Holy Triune GOD, and empowering us to receive Jesus Christ as LORD which means MASTER.
Genesis 1:26 (ASV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: . . .
1 Thessalonians 5:23 (ASV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Matthew 28:19 (ASV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name {singular} of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: