Divorced does not mean "put away"...or does it?

[thisguy]

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I am dating a divorced woman and this topic came up. Bible translations are not consistent and inaccuracies exist. If anyone has clarity please provide. The links at the top has a very compelling argument to why divorced does not mean put away, and NIV is incorrectly translated in this regard. (I mean no disrespect but) if you DON'T believe the NIV is partially incorrectly translated then please don't respond to this post because there are inaccuracy's in EVERY Bible translation.

A quick summary:
A woman who is "put away" is one who WAS NOT given a written bill of divorcement, and therefore is it adultery to marry her. After she is given a bill of divorcement there is a reason to believe that marrying her is NOT adultery...because she is now properly divorced.

Details:
NIV is innacurate. Going to the greek roots provides clarity.

Luke 16:18 “Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.”

Whoever ‘putteth away’ his wife (husband) commits adultery! This practice was cruel and was adulterous, but it was not divorce. This New Testament word, translated ‘put away’ is a form of the Greek word ‘apoluo’. It is the word in Greek which parallels the Hebrew word ‘shalach’ – ‘put away.’

‘Apoluo’, the Greek word for ‘putting away’, was not technically divorce, though often used synonymously.

He said when you put away a wife (without a written bill of divorce), and marry another (while still married), you are guilty of adultery. And the women who is ‘put away’ though abandoned, is still married. She would commit adultery if she married again (Luke 16:18)


Old Syriac text, a revision of the Peshitta, the scribe felt the need to add into Mark 10:11 the supplementary "and any man who divorces his wife and takes another commits adultery" which serves as confirmation, that even at that time, "putting away" a spouse was not considered to be divorce.


"It has been said, that, he who breaks up (שרי) with his wife shall give to her a certificate of divorce (דוללא). Therefore I am telling you that anyone who suffices with breaking up (שרי) with his wife, except in the case of her running around, forces her to commit adultery, and he who takes such an abandoned (שביקתא) woman commits adultery." - Matay 5:31-32

 

[thisguy]

...so basically I'm asking if remarriage is ok

 

[parablepete]

Matt. 19: 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Bottom line when you marry the only scriptual divorse/put away is for Fornication. If you cheated on her, she has the right to re-marry. If you are a member of the church and you are a man you must find a woman from the chruch.(if she was the one who cheated) If you both divoresed cause of money problems, you neither one have the right to re-marry.

 

[phil112]

.........................Bottom line when you marry the only scriptual divorse/put away is for Fornication. If you cheated on her, she has the right to re-marry. ......................

Sez a man that listens to false doctrine and doesn't "study to show himself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth".

But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

If you don't divorce someone that insists on leaving, you are still under bondage to them.

 

[chips1024]

...so basically I'm asking if remarriage is ok

Hey bud... quite the complex situation you are in I think... good thing you are just dating and haven't made any vows yet

Bible is quite clear on this point I think. You might be focusing on selective verses and concerned about the exact word used, but other verses talk about this situation besides Luke 16:18.

Matt 19:9 - "And I say to you: whoever divorces (or "put away" in some translations) his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery." (ESV)
Matt 5:31-32 - “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery." (NIV - no mention on put away in the NIV for this verse)

Mark 10:1-12 (and Matt 19:112) is where the Pharisees test Jesus regarding the act of divorce. From His answer in that passage, it is clear that God does not want what He has put together to be separated by men. But taking into account other passages (like the ones above) we can see that the only condition for a divorce (or for one to be put away), is through the act of adultery. If no adultery has been done, then the divorce/putting away is not right in Gods eyes, and in turn, if they marry another, they commit adultery and sin. "And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife (NIV uses divorce also), except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery." Matt 19:9 ESV

1 Cor 7:1-16 speaks a lot regarding principles of marriage also, and verse 10 and 11 say: "To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife."

There are many other verses that speak with regard to divorce or putting away so maybe do an online search for the word marriage or divorce in the Bible to gain further understanding.
Remember, the Holy Spirit wants to guide you in ALL of lifes decisions... most importantly who you marry!! It will be the second most important decision (after who you will worship) you make in your entire life, and God certainly wants to be a part of that decision The fact that you are asking this question shows that you want to do what God wants, and I pray that after further studying and prayer, you will hear that still small voice saying, "this is the way, walk ye in it." (Isaiah 30:21)

Stay Blessed bud, and all the best for your future life decisions

 

[starfield]

"...What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder" (Matt. 19:6)

"For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man" (Rom. 7:2-3)

"The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Cor. 7:39)

Marriage is a God-ordained institution and divorce/putting away is not His will, however you'd find very few churches today that actually teach against divorce/putting away. Unfortunately, most wish to follow their will and the world's definition of marriage.

 

[phil112]

"...What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder" (Matt. 19:6)

"For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man" (Rom. 7:2-3)

"The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Cor. 7:39)

Marriage is a God-ordained institution and divorce/putting away is not His will, however you'd find very few churches today that actually teach against divorce/putting away. Unfortunately, most wish to follow their will and the world's definition of marriage.

That is true, starfield..........
"Divorced does not mean "put away"...or does it?"...But none of what you had to say addressed the OPs question.

 

[Hashe]

In the context of the verse, put away, means divorce.

In the historical context which Jesus is addressing, Jewish men would divorce women for the most trivial things, leaving them vulnerable. Jesus was speaking about protecting the rights of women, as well as the sanctity of marriage. Getting legalistic about verses, without considering the original context is very unhelpful when applying the teaching of scripture to our lives. Jesus in these verses was addressing a specific situation at a specific time amongst a specific group of people.

The OT gives other reasons for divorce, which are not just about the hardness of heart of males! For example, abandonment is another valid reason for divorce in God's eyes.

There is a good book on divorce by a south african bishop in Cape Town, but I forget his name at the moment.

There are many things to consider when dating a divorced person. Was the divorce before faith? In Christ, we are a new creation, the old has passed away.

Unfortunately there are many people that want to use the Bible to make them feel good about themselves and put others down. The very thing Jesus spoke against.

 

[john832]

Doesn't seem to complicated to me...

Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Sure sounds like "put away" and "divorced" is the same thing

Strong's for "put away"...

G630
ἀπολύω
apoluō
ap-ol-oo'-o
From G575 and G3089; to free fully, that is, (literally) relieve, release, dismiss (reflexively depart), or (figuratively) let die, pardon, or (specifically) divorce: - (let) depart, dismiss, divorce, forgive, let go, loose, put (send) away, release, set at liberty.

Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

There seems to be only one extenuating circumstance...

1Co 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
1Co 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

If an unbelieving spouse leaves a believer, the believer is not bound in marriage. Other than that, there is no other circumstance save fornication.

 

[dcontroversal]

"...What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder" (Matt. 19:6)

"For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man" (Rom. 7:2-3)

"The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Cor. 7:39)

Marriage is a God-ordained institution and divorce/putting away is not His will, however you'd find very few churches today that actually teach against divorce/putting away. Unfortunately, most wish to follow their will and the world's definition of marriage.

So true and God forbid that we make a stand on the word because we don't want to loose prospective church members and or their families............

Of course, everybody that is divorced and re-married will argue!

 

[phil112]

..............................Of course, everybody that is divorced and re-married will argue!

Not so, Dcon! I agree absolutely, yet I have been married and divorced twice.

 

[dcontroversal]

Not so, Dcon! I agree absolutely, yet I have been married and divorced twice.

I stand corrected mi amigo and will re-state....Most who are divorced and re-married will argue!

 

[Hashe]

I'm not sure it is so simple, but then again perhaps I'm not as smart as others.
What about these verses ...
1 Cor 7:28 - this verse says that for people who have been married before it is OK to marry.
1 Tim 4:2-3, this verse says that it is wrong to forbid people to marry, but perhaps it is OK if you have scriptural backing? I guess that is what the Catholics teach as well right?

 

[phil112]

I stand corrected mi amigo and will re-state....Most who are divorced and re-married will argue!

In my case, the first time neither of us were saved, and tho I tried to convince her to stay, she wouldn't hear of it. The second, my wife wasn't truthful about her spiritual position. She brought a lot of baggage from catholicism, jehovahs witnesses, and a couple of others. That, and she was a left coast liberal. Altho I would have been glad to see her stay also, she too wouldn't hear of it.

But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Per Pauls teaching, I was obligated to allow them to leave. That instruction alone solidifies man being a free moral agent. We come and go as we please and live as we please. That is a right, not a privilege, and we have no business trying to make someone do something that is legal by society's standards.

 

[phil112]

I'm not sure it is so simple, but then again perhaps I'm not as smart as others.
What about these verses ...
1 Cor 7:28 - this verse says that for people who have been married before it is OK to marry.
1 Tim 4:2-3, this verse says that it is wrong to forbid people to marry, but perhaps it is OK if you have scriptural backing? I guess that is what the Catholics teach as well right?

No. Catholicism teaches that only the catholic church can grant a divorce, and only for fornication. There is a thing the catholics use to circumvent the fornication thing called annulment.

 

[Hashe]

No. Catholicism teaches that only the catholic church can grant a divorce, and only for fornication. There is a thing the catholics use to circumvent the fornication thing called annulment.

I was referring to priests not marrying.

 

[john832]

I was referring to priests not marrying.

A doctrine of demons...

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

 

[faroukfarouk]

"...What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder" (Matt. 19:6)

"For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man" (Rom. 7:2-3)

"The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" (1 Cor. 7:39)

Marriage is a God-ordained institution and divorce/putting away is not His will, however you'd find very few churches today that actually teach against divorce/putting away. Unfortunately, most wish to follow their will and the world's definition of marriage.

Relatively few preachers have the intestinal fortitude to refer to these verses.

 

[Misty77]

There is a a topic that I am just beginning to study. There is a theory that some of the verses that the church traditionally uses to condemn remarriage after divorce are actually referring to remarriage while separated only (not divorced). That would be bigamy; but since that is not biblically permitted for women, the second marriage is not recognized, so it is equivalent to adultery.

It actually makes a lot of sense, though I confess that I have little research at this time to confirm it. Jesus talks about the Samaritan Woman having 5 husbands, not 1 husband and 4 adulterous relationships. This infers that each of those marriages were recognized as legitimate, regardless of how wise they were. He then goes on to say that the man she is currently living with is not her husband, which disproves the erroneous idea of sex being equivalent to marriage "in God's eyes."

It's interesting to note that God divorces Israel in Jeremiah 3:8. This concept is confirmed in Isaiah 50:1 and Hosea 2:2. Since God cannot sin, then it confirms that divorce itself is not sin, but rather the result of it.

There is also some basis to support that a "widow" means any woman who has been abandoned (by death or willingly) by her spouse. That would make it a more inclusive term in the Hebrew than in English, and it would be consistent with the frequent commands to provide for and to protect society's most vulnerable members. That would certainly be a big change from hypocritical behavior of those of "Christians" who ignore or even condemn those whose spouses abandoned them.

The woman in 2 Samuel 14:5 declares herself to be a widow and adds that her husband is dead. If widows are by definition those who have survived their spouses, then it is illogical that she would have felt the need to emphasize that her husband is dead—unless she needed to clarify what kind of widow she was.

 

[faroukfarouk]

There is a a topic that I am just beginning to study. There is a theory that some of the verses that the church traditionally uses to condemn remarriage after divorce are actually referring to remarriage while separated only (not divorced). That would be bigamy; but since that is not biblically permitted for women, the second marriage is not recognized, so it is equivalent to adultery.

It actually makes a lot of sense, though I confess that I have little research at this time to confirm it. Jesus talks about the Samaritan Woman having 5 husbands, not 1 husband and 4 adulterous relationships. This infers that each of those marriages were recognized as legitimate, regardless of how wise they were. He then goes on to say that the man she is currently living with is not her husband, which disproves the erroneous idea of sex being equivalent to marriage "in God's eyes."

It's interesting to note that God divorces Israel in Jeremiah 3:8. This concept is confirmed in Isaiah 50:1 and Hosea 2:2. Since God cannot sin, then it confirms that divorce itself is not sin, but rather the result of it.

There is also some basis to support that a "widow" means any woman who has been abandoned (by death or willingly) by her spouse. That would make it a more inclusive term in the Hebrew than in English, and it would be consistent with the frequent commands to provide for and to protect society's most vulnerable members. That would certainly be a big change from hypocritical behavior of those of "Christians" who ignore or even condemn those whose spouses abandoned them.

The woman in 2 Samuel 14:5 declares herself to be a widow and adds that her husband is dead. If widows are by definition those who have survived their spouses, then it is illogical that she would have felt the need to emphasize that her husband is dead—unless she needed to clarify what kind of widow she was.

Inferences are interesting. But not conclusive, especially when there are clear passages which speak about divorce and remarriage.

For example, such as:

"For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man" (Rom. 7:2-3)