Do Muslims worship the God of Abraham?

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Locutus

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Oh he has a lot more than the verses you give to try to explain away (just as he has when he said the lamb is not Jesus but is a series of events!)

For instance, if everything was created through Him and nothing we see was created except through Him, yet there is only one Creator...

I could go on, but I don't want to make him rewrite the entire book all at once or I might overwhelm him. :rolleyes:
I haven't got a clue what you are going on about - all I've seen so far from you is accusations.

If you don't believe that Jesus is YHWH of the Old Testament then you need to deal with the verses I posted.
 
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The trinity is a false teaching and this one verse clearly shows that Jesus and God are two different beings

1Co:15:27:
For he hath put all things under his feet.
But when he saith all things are put under him,
it is manifest that he is excepted,
which did put all things under him.
I know you’re banned, but you’ll be back under another moniker, so I will post this...

One Being, three Persons in the Godhead.
 
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I haven't got a clue what you are going on about - all I've seen so far from you is accusations.

If you don't believe that Jesus is YHWH of the Old Testament then you need to deal with the verses I posted.
I think John 1 proves Jesus is YHWH.
 

Gabriel2020

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God speaking through his son. there were times when you could tell when the Father was speaking, and when the son was speaking.
 

Gabriel2020

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When God spoke of himself through Jesus, you could tell it was him. and Jesus said everything else he told him to say. read the scriptures carefully.
 

Locutus

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When God spoke of himself through Jesus, you could tell it was him. and Jesus said everything else he told him to say. read the scriptures carefully.
Jesus never said he was the Father :

"Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.


 

Gabriel2020

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That is not what I am saying here. Jesus could not operate on his own, or there would have been another authority other than God's authority. He would have gone against the will of the Father. Every word he spoke about the kingdom came from the mouth of the Father.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I got it from being around Muslims. Feel free to use more than one source & linguistics. Try a book about Muslims written by Muslims.
Blind leading Blind


I have read The Koran. The spirit behind that book is not The God of Abraham Isaac, Jacob & Jesus. But a deceiving spirit whose intent is to draw off worship from the real God to himself.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I thought it's the same God. They just have a focus on Muhammad and his life. It's not so bad just read a book about it that has an unbiased opinion. And media coverage is not fair & all Muslims are not extremists.
This is a very naive view. Unbiased opinion doesn't change the creed of Islam. A false prophet is very dangerous. Mohammed is elevated to the status of supreme prophet. 'The seal of the prophets'. He claimed to have revelation by the angel Jibreel (Gabriel) to override all the prophets before him and that no more prophets would follow him.

To be Muslim you MUST recite the 'Shahdah' "There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger"

Which is FALSE. You cannot be Muslim without taking this vow. Daily.
 

trofimus

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No. God of Abraham is the Creator of the universe, who is/are in three personalities.

On of these personality came to this world in human flesh, died on the cross and was resurrected after. He based His church, people to be saved by faith in him.

Muslim´ god does not have such properties.
 

slave

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Muslims are the first victims of Islam. Many times I have observed in my travels in the Orient, that fanaticism comes from a small number of dangerous men who maintain the others in the practice of religion by terror. To liberate the Muslim from his religion is the best service that one can render him." - (E. Renan).

It is well to bear in mind the distinction between theory and practice; the distinction between what Muslims ought to do and what they in fact do; what they should have believed and done as opposed to what they actually believed and did. We might distinguish three Islams:

Islam 1, Islam 2, and Islam3. Islam 1 is what the Prophet taught, that is, his teachings as contained in the Koran. Islam 2 is the religion as expounded, interpreted, and developed by the theologians through the traditions (Hadith); it includes the sharia and Islamic law.Islam 3 is what Muslims actually did do and achieved, that is to say, Islamic civilization.

This is not the God of freedom they serve, it is then what? The opposing spirit. It is not just dangerous, it is deadly to our soul.

 
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I haven't got a clue what you are going on about - all I've seen so far from you is accusations.

If you don't believe that Jesus is YHWH of the Old Testament then you need to deal with the verses I posted.
Huh...?
Do you read my posts...?
It is completely impossible that you have read my posts and then come to this...it would require a near total lack of reading comprehension...
 

FlyingDove

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I thought it's the same God. They just have a focus on Muhammad and his life. It's not so bad just read a book about it that has an unbiased opinion. And media coverage is not fair & all Muslims are not extremists.
NO! Allah is not the God of Abraham

Surah 2:116. They say: (Allah) hath begotten a son :Glory be to Him. "Nay" to (Allah) alone belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him

Surah 10:68. They say: (Allah) hath begotten a son!" Glory be to Him! He is self sufficient! His are all things in the heavens and on earth! "No warrant have ye for this! say ye about Allah what ye know not"?

Surah 18:
4 "Further, that He may warn those (also) who say" "(Allah) hath begotten a son:

5 No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. "It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouths as a saying what they say is nothing but falsehood"!

6 Thou wouldst only, perchance, fret thyself to death, following after them, in grief, if they believe not in this Message.

Surah 23:91 "Allah has never begotten a son"

Surah 19:
88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!"

89 "Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous"!

Surah 39:4. Had Allah wished to take to Himself a son, He could have chosen whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) "He is Allah, the One, the Irresistible".

The Koran & Muslims are adamant that "Allah" "DOES NOT" HAVE A SON!

The "Allah" of the Muslims "IS NOT" the God of the Holy Bible!

""The God of the Holy Bible HAS A SON""!

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that """""he gave his only begotten Son""""", that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

Christians believe God has a son. And that the Son of God gave His life to atone for the sins of mankind.
 

MarcR

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Jesus never said he was the Father :

"Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.


I am not sure i should respond as i have unintentionally peeved you but...If Jesus was not claiming to be God, putting Himself equal with God, by many things He said, they would not have killed Him.
 
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I am not sure i should respond as i have unintentionally peeved you but...If Jesus was not claiming to be God, putting Himself equal with God, by many things He said, they would not have killed Him.
And John says Jesus WAS God.
 

JaumeJ

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If Moslems worshiped the "God" of Abraham,
they would have followed His teachings as
from His prophets.

The Maker of all that is does not have need
of His Children to fight for Him.....He is All Mighty.

Praise Jesus Christ, amen.