Do people think we have to become Hebrew to relate to God?

[Hizikyah]

ask yourself how this knowing-the-right-NAME-and-exactly-how-it-sounds-SAVES-ME-doctrine is NOT magic.

your lying on me now as i have told you i do not believe this.

j a c k y l

 

[Hizikyah]

im sorry for being rude

 

[zone]

i will look into this Yahweh willing, as I have heard of Fabre d'Olivet but never heard of any kabbalistic/masonic ties, if thats true certianly caution shoud be applied. But I have to be clear, and dont take offence, you have many doctries I find cohesive to new age/masoinc, and this is recorded in history, lol like a few days ago I told you the article youu quoted seemed masonic, and you kingdom is already here doctrine, yeah.

well, you have a lot to do, because chiliasm is another fable. hardly masonic.
but the HR people (which your thing is connected to) are all trained to hone in on Constantine; Isis; Ishtar; Obelsisks; blalh blah.....and the RC church as the originators of everything supposedly anti-jewish (in the HR mind 1+1=3) amillennialism must also be some kind of trick from SATAN.

when if only you knew the opposite is true concerning chiliasm.

if you are waiting for the Messianic Era 1,000 years AFTER Jesus comes, you're smack dab in between 2 groups who have indeed inherited lies:

unbelieving rabbis....and their gentile counterparts - (Darby et al) ....because for them it's all about a future CARNAL kingdom where somebody takes DOMINION.

if you spent more time in the New Testament and less time peering into hebrew letters...well.

but none the less I will look into it and if it leads me to truth then praise Yahweh.

but bottom line this person could not have changed the "OT" and Yahshua in the OT name is Yahweh's Salvation and I key isYahshua;s name in hebrew mattithyah, which i have not throughly studied. lol I think your a jackyl, but If im wrong i will admit it

you can think i'm a jackyl all you want to.

you already said you're not a christian. and you're not a jew, so i do not know what you are.

and by now, i have little doubt, as a result of what you're into, you deny the Eternal Deity of Jesus Christ.
if you don't already, that is where you're headed.

bye.

 

[JaumeJ]

One of the people with whom you are interacting categorized me with the Hebrew Roots Movement, a Movement I knew nothing about. After one bull headed accusation after another with no relief or spirit of dialogue, I had to put that person on ignore. After this, when ever I have had anything approaching this occur again, I have done the same.

When I first came to the forum I had it in mind not to ever put anyone on ignore, however taking it from the Word, when a brother repeatedly commits the same offense being unrepentent I am obliged to treat him as a non-believer.

My time in the Forum has been much more well spent since, without having to answer to people who knock how our Lord, Yeshua, has come to me. I do not recommend nor detract from others doing the same, but I do know that after many months of that particular brand of verbal abuse, I now have peace in the room. Yahweh bless you and keep you close forever, amen.

 

[zone]

im sorry for being rude

that's alright.
and i am too.

Re: Do people think we have to become Hebrew to relate to God?

i guess our discussion has strayed from the OP, since it says become Hebrew.
if you want to discuss both sides of what we were talking about via PM, i'm open to it.

zone

 

[TannarDarr]

One of the people with whom you are interacting categorized me with the Hebrew Roots Movement, a Movement I knew nothing about. After one bull headed accusation after another with no relief or spirit of dialogue, I had to put that person on ignore. After this, when ever I have had anything approaching this occur again, I have done the same.

When I first came to the forum I had it in mind not to ever put anyone on ignore, however taking it from the Word, when a brother repeatedly commits the same offense being unrepentent I am obliged to treat him as a non-believer.

My time in the Forum has been much more well spent since, without having to answer to people who knock how our Lord, Yeshua, has come to me. I do not recommend nor detract from others doing the same, but I do know that after many months of that particular brand of verbal abuse, I now have peace in the room. Yahweh bless you and keep you close forever, amen.

Is this addressing not me, but one of the three people I have ignored on here?

 

[zone]

Who knows for sure but:

"Thus, the "New Testament" documents remain Hebrew texts written in a Hebrew mindset, and must be studied that way, if we are to determine what the authors' meanings are. And until we learn the true original meaning, discussing "what the verse means to us" (as is done in many so called "studies") is a an exercise in futility and leads to error.
Having said that, there is overwhelming evidence, both historical and linguistic that shows that the texts were originally written in Hebrew, and also that Hebrew was not a "dead language" (as was thought of for quite some time). A good source of information on the latter is "Biblical Archaeology Review" (BAR) magazine. BAR has had articles in the past few years on digs that have unearthed documents from around the first century written in Hebrew, including legal documents and one woman's personal diary."

1. Recent Qumran findings (Dead Sea Scrolls) shows secular documents written at that time concerning "current events" (i.e., not just copies of old religious texts.) indicating Hebrew was a "living" language. There are several books on the Dead Sea Scrolls available. Contact YashaNet for recommendations if interested.
2. Jewish coins found from that era are minted with Hebrew text on them.
3. A study of the writings of the Christian "Church Fathers" shows that much of the "New Testament" was written in Hebrew. This includes direct statements made by; Papias, Ireneus, Origin, Eusubius, Epiphaneus, Jerome and Clement of Alexandria.
4. The prominent first century historian Josephus wrote in both his books, Antiquities and Wars, that Hebrew was the language of first century Jews and that they did not know Greek. (In fact there is a Jewish tradition saying it is better to eat swine than learn Greek.)

Also the is a legit Hebrew version of Mattithyah that is definitly more accurate than the greek, as for the other books???
"

OP - i think this is on topic, please advise if not....zone

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YashaNet HomePage ???

YashaNet exists to:

Explore the truth of the Torah in order to determine its role in our lives -- to lead people to a better understanding of G-d and how we are to be conformed to His image.

Help to correct the misunderstandings and misinterpretations of the Torah, the rest of the Tenakh, and the books of what is commonly called the "New Testament."

Re-establish the foundation upon which relationship with Yeshua the Messiah stands; correcting the disassociation from its historical Hebraic context.

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Yichud Hashem
(Unification of the Name of G-d)

This chart presents a number of ideas from Torah in a fashion that shows a relationship between them based on the Four-letter Name of G-d. There are actually five parts to this Name when the top part of the first letter (called the "cusp" or "apex" of the Yod) is included. The information on this chart is from traditional Jewish sources. We are continually adding to this chart.

Soul Chart < click

it doesn't get any more kabbalistic than this i guess. there's that magic name thing going on ^

...

and here's a boatload of Mystery Religion..."Recommended Reading" (not):

Recommended Reading List < click

...

handy resources for the person who is departing from the christian faith:

The Real Truth About the Talmud
Responses to lies about the Talmud

TEXT STUDY LINKS

aish.com
torah.org
chabad.org
breslov.com
kabbalaonline.org
thirysix.org
inner.org
jewishnewyear.com

MULTIMEDIA

classicsinai.com
simpletoremember.com
aishaudio.com
universaltorah.com
chabad.org/multimedia
613.org

BOOKS & SOFTWARE

artscroll.com
feldheim.com
davka.com
judaicapress.com
targum.com
jewishsoftware.com

Parsha Schedule < click

what happens if i follow this site for truth - i'll pick a link at random:

Authentic Kabbalah, Chassidut, and Inspiring Torah from Harav Yitzchak Ginsburgh < click

Authentic Kabbalah - (lots of it)

and what is on that page as a resource?

Ten Campaigns (מִבְצָעִים). The Lubavitcher Rebbe established ten special campaigns, encouraging an increase in the observance of the the Torah's commandments. The ten campaigns correspond to the ten sefirot from wisdom to kingdom, as follows:

< kabbalah's ten sefirot - chart>

Above these 10 campaigns and corresponding to the sefirah of crown hovers God's campaign: bringing the Mashiach. The Lubavitcher Rebbe stressed that when we properly fulfill these ten campaigns, God will surely fulfill His campaign of bringing the Mashiach and the true and complete redemption speedily.

Ten Campaigns - Innerpedia - Encyclopedia of Torah's Inner Dimension - Chassidut and Kabbalah < click

same stuff Fabre d'Olivet was into.

and finally, another link from yashanet (which ludicrously asserts the NT was originally in Hebrew - so dump Christianity):

Teachings for Bnei Noach (aka Noahides or Righteous Gentiles)

Excerpts from Harav Ginsburgh's book Kabbalah and Meditation for the Nations

Reaching Out to Non-Jews

Our generation is the first since the dispersion of the Jewish People in which the Jew is able (and therefore obligated) to reach out to the non-Jew. The purpose is to create a movement among righteous gentiles worldwide, a forsaking of false religions and an acceptance of the seven Noahide commandments.

The Noahide commandments are those that God gave to Adam and his descendants and, after the flood, to Noah and his descendants. They are binding upon all of humanity, and were included in the Torah when God gave it to the People of Israel at Mount Sinai. The Torah testifies that these commandments were indeed those God gave man from the outset of creation, and is therefore the ultimate source of their authority.

The Torah further obligates Jews to teach and encourage all the nations of the earth to accept these commandments. A non-Jew who accepts the seven Noahide commandments recognizes that the ultimate purpose of his life is to serve God and establish peace on earth.

All Races Serving God

People of each skin color have their own corresponding characteristics and talents, in which they excel in their service of God. In the Messianic era, all the nations of the world will unite in their service of the One God of Israel. In the Torah portion of Noah (Genesis 6:9 - 11:32) the Torah focuses on Noah's children -- all of mankind -- in our individual yet united service of God.

Bnei Noach - Noahides - Index < click

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In the Messianic era?

too bad this site rejects that Jesus is the Messiah, and the Messianic ERA came 2000 years ago.
oh.....they mean the future 1,000 year (non-existent) Messianic Era.

okay.....

Re: Do people think we have to become Hebrew to relate to God?

according to the above stuff - the idea is you come into the HR Movement (whatever name it goes by)....then over time you find out, no, you don't have to BECOME Hebrew to relate to God.
you have to obey Talmudic Laws as a gentile to relate to God.
that involves rejecting 'THAT MAN' (Jesus)

 

[Hizikyah]

Yeshua DID NOT Instruct us to Say God’s name

Three times in Scripture we Father mentioned as Abba, in the language of the Jews, Aramaic. (Mark 14:36) And Yeshua said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for You.”

Paul writes “For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”(Romans 8:15) “And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!” (Galatians 4:6). Can you say Father?

Jesus said in Matt 6:6-7 “ pray to your Father... your Father “Over and over again Jesus calls Yahweh “FATHER” Jesus said to pray “In this manner, therefore, pray: our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name”(v:9). Why do sacred namers not obey this simple command and twist with their legalism to say you must say Yahweh (or some other derivative). Because they don’t want to believe it.

Abba is an Aramaic word for “father.” It was the customary title used of God in prayer by Jesus when he taught the disciples to pray (Mt 11:25-26; 26:39,42; Lk. 10:21; 22:42; 23:34; Jn. 11:41; 12:27; 17:24-25). Whenever it occurs in the New Testament it has the Greek interpretation joined to it (ho pater), that is apparently to be explained by the fact that the Chaldee (Aramaic) “ABBA” through frequent use in prayer, gradually acquired the nature of a most sacred proper name, to which the Greek-speaking Jews added the name from their own tongue.

It was in common use in the mixed Aram dialect of Palestine and was used by children in addressing their father. It answers to our “papa.” The right to call God “Father” in a special and appropriative sense pertains to all who have received the testimony of the Spirit to their forgiveness. (New Unger's Bible Dictionary)

In the Gemara (a Rabbinical commentary on the Mishna, the traditional teaching of the Jews) it is stated that slaves were forbidden to address the head of the family by this title. It approximates to a personal name, in contrast to “Father,” with which it is always joined in the NT. This is probably due to the fact that, abba having practically become a proper name, Greek-speaking Jews added the Greek word pater, “father,” from the language they used. Abba is the word framed by the lips of infants, and betokens unreasoning trust; “father” expresses an intelligent apprehension of the relationship. The two together express the love and intelligent confidence of the child. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words)

For instance, in Jesus’ own prayers, he gave us the example of addressing God as “Our Father” (Abba). Not once did Jesus say the name of God, but said instead “Father.” He was bringing the people from a legalistic relationship under the law into a personal relationship with their God. But the legalists say, “unless you say the name this way” or “unless you keep the 10 commandments”, unless you do this or that you cannot be saved! They would just as well keep the thief on the cross out of the kingdom because of all the things he did not do according to their teaching.

Yeshua never called His Father Yahweh in his ministry and sacred name adherents have absolutely no proof from the Scripture that would show otherwise. Of course the easiest way to deal with all this is to dismiss it all by saying that’s the Greek, and it is unacceptable or corrupted. (The only exception- when Jesus was being judged in our place for our sins- his relationship became a legal one and he called out “my God, my God.”) Even if there were found an instance or two where he did call God Yahweh, the overwhelming majority of the Scripture does not teach this as obligatory

Ok so alot of people thisnk you are trying to be "hebrew" or "jewish" by saying Yahwhe, eventhough the jews will not say the Name Yahweh, all they will say is "baruch ha Shaem" bless the Name.

OK so if Yahshua taught Yahweh's Name of not:

Yahchanan 17:6, "I have manifested Your Name to the men that You gave Me out of the world. They were yours, and You gave them to Me"

"I have manifested Your Name" seeing as Yahshua said He told others of HIS NAME I find it hard to believe He didnt.

It is also used in othr parts of the NT, including being written in 1 Corinthians.

Acts 2:21, "And it will come to pass that whoever calls on the Name of Yahweh will be delivered."

This is actually a quote from:

Yahyl 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem there will
be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the remnant whom Yahweh calls."

I dont disagree Yahshua said to pray to our Father, but He also did tecah Yahweh;'s Name and it's importance is touched on in Acts.

 

[Hizikyah]

Pronunciations of the Name pt.3 < DO NOT CLICK to read the other half, since you think this is all FROM SATAN

(which shows what a cult you are in)


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you might to take a real close look at THIS:

"
It was in common use in the mixed Aram dialect of Palestine and was used by children in addressing their father. It answers to our “papa.” The right to call God “Father” in a special and appropriative sense pertains to all who have received the testimony of the Spirit to their forgiveness. (New Unger's Bible Dictionary)

In the Gemara (a Rabbinical commentary on the Mishna, the traditional teaching of the Jews) it is stated that slaves were forbidden to address the head of the family by this title."


and ponder this, written by a Hebrew of Hebrews, who knew more about all this than you ever will (apparently):

Galatians 4
Sons and Heirs
1I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,a though he is the owner of everything, 2but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principlesb of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

Paul’s Concern for the Galatians
8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. 9But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

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you're teaching a false gospel.

That article says things like:

1) "Claiming Yashua and Yahweh are pronounced the same in EVERY language, this is nonsense!"

2) "Even Moses did not call him Yahweh but I Am by the instruction from God himself, when God said my name is I AM who I AM - EhYeh asher EhYeh."

This is very dishonest of the people who wrote this article, as if you ONLY read v14 then you can say this, however if you read 1 more verse you will see this: (and you know s well as I do EVERY TIME LORD are all 4 capital YHWH is in the original)

And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shall you say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

American King James Version
And God said moreover to Moses, Thus shall you say to the children of Israel, the LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial to all generations.

American Standard Version
And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name forever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And God said again to Moses: Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel: The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me to you: This is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Darby Bible Translation
And God said moreover to Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: Jehovah, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you. This is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

English Revised Version
And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Webster's Bible Translation
And God said, moreover, to Moses, Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me to you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial to all generations.

World English Bible
God said moreover to Moses, "You shall tell the children of Israel this, 'Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.

Young's Literal Translation
And God saith again unto Moses, 'Thus dost thou say unto the sons of Israel, Jehovah, God of your fathers, God of Abraham, God of Isaac, and God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you; this is My name -- to the age, and this My memorial, to generation -- generation.

And seeing as they go on to call Him YHWH for thousands of times in evey book, (before and after this) and He is not called "I AM" 1 single time I trust the Mosheh was not using the wrong Name.

 

[JaumeJ]

Greatly to be praised. His name is to be proclaimed among the nations. Every time anyone utters the name, Jesus or Yeshua, he is pronouncing and proclaiming the Salvation of Yah. Anyone who believes the Word knows this in the profundities of heart, soul and mind.

People who name Yeshua should not go down that serpentine way that is falsely called knowledge. It destroys people. May Yahweh bless and help all who mistakenly go down that route and put them back on the Way provided by Yeshua, amen.

Ok so alot of people thisnk you are trying to be "hebrew" or "jewish" by saying Yahwhe, eventhough the jews will not say the Name Yahweh, all they will say is "baruch ha Shaem" bless the Name.

OK so if Yahshua taught Yahweh's Name of not:

Yahchanan 17:6, "I have manifested Your Name to the men that You gave Me out of the world. They were yours, and You gave them to Me"

"I have manifested Your Name" seeing as Yahshua said He told others of HIS NAME I find it hard to believe He didnt.

It is also used in othr parts of the NT, including being written in 1 Corinthians.

Acts 2:21, "And it will come to pass that whoever calls on the Name of Yahweh will be delivered."

This is actually a quote from:

Yahyl 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem there will
be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the remnant whom Yahweh calls."

I dont disagree Yahshua said to pray to our Father, but He also did tecah Yahweh;'s Name and it's importance is touched on in Acts.

 

[zone]

Ok so alot of people thisnk you are trying to be "hebrew" or "jewish" by saying Yahwhe, eventhough the jews will not say the Name Yahweh, all they will say is "baruch ha Shaem" bless the Name.

OK so if Yahshua taught Yahweh's Name of not:

Yahchanan 17:6, "I have manifested Your Name to the men that You gave Me out of the world. They were yours, and You gave them to Me"

"I have manifested Your Name" seeing as Yahshua said He told others of HIS NAME I find it hard to believe He didnt.

It is also used in othr parts of the NT, including being written in 1 Corinthians.

Acts 2:21, "And it will come to pass that whoever calls on the Name of Yahweh will be delivered."

This is actually a quote from:

Yahyl 2:32, "And whoever will call with the Name of Yahweh will be delivered; for in Mount Zion in Yerusalem there will
be deliverance, as Yahweh has said, among the remnant whom Yahweh calls."

I dont disagree Yahshua said to pray to our Father, but He also did tecah Yahweh;'s Name and it's importance is touched on in Acts.

John 17
1When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, 2since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. 3And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. 4I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. 5And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

6“I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. 7Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you.

.....

I manifested thy Name (ἐφανέρωσα here corresponds to ἐδόξασα τελειώσας of Ver. 4. The force of φανέροω is different from ἀποκάλυπτω or ἐμφάνιζω; see on John 14:21). "I poured light upon, and thus made appreciable, apprehensible, thy Name." This Name was but partially and imperfectly understood before. The Name of God, the compendium of all his excellences, the essential features of his substantial Being which Christ has thus illuminated, is "the Father." "Whatsoever is made manifest is light." This light is the effulgence of the glory of the Father. By being and living on earth as Son of the Father, the Father was revealed. A full revelation of the Father involves and is involved in a manifestation of his own Sonship. The relation between the Father and the Son is one of infinite complacency and mutual affection, and the revelation of it demonstrates the fact of the eternal and essential love of the Divine Being. Thus the fact that "God is love" is manifested in the life of the Son of man, who was in himself a revelation of the Son - the Son of God. "I manifested thy Name," said Jesus - showing that he regarded his work of self-manifestation and God-revelation as virtually complete - Pulpit.


this is what we were talking about before.

remember the rabbis have a tradition that a slave is never permitted to call the Master or Lord of the House FATHER.

but a SON is. Jesus, the Son, and because of Him, WE ARE ADOPTED AS SONS (and daughters).

heirs, with Christ, according to the promise made to Abraham and his SEED - which is CHRIST

read all of John 17 the High priestly prayer.

was it not the priest who spoke the HOLY NAME in the Holy of Holies?

FATHER.

that is His Name

patér: a father
Original Word: πατήρ, πατρός, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: patér
Phonetic Spelling: (pat-ayr')
Short Definition: father, Father, ancestor
Definition: father, (Heavenly) Father, ancestor, elder, senior.

3962 patḗr – father; one who imparts life and is committed to it; a progenitor, bringing into being to pass on the potential for likeness.

3962 /patḗr ("father") is used of our heavenly Father. He imparts life, from physical birth to the gift of eternal life through the second birth (regeneration, being born again). Through ongoing sanctification, the believer more and more resembles their heavenly Father – i.e. each time they receive faith from Him and obey it, which results in their unique glorification.

[3962 /patḗr ("father") refers to a begetter, originator, progenitor – one in "intimate connection and relationship" (Gesenius). Just as in the NT, the OT never speaks of universal fatherhood of God toward men (see. G. B. Steven's concession, The Theology of the New Testament, p 70; see p 68) (TWOT 1, 6).


and remember what Paul said (about the two Covenants; slaves, as opposed to sons and heirs, and Abba! Father!):

Galatians 4
Sons and Heirs
1I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,a though he is the owner of everything, 2but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principlesb of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

Paul’s Concern for the Galatians
8Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. 9But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

....


paul is warning us very seriously that going back to the Law for righteousness, the Old Covenant is bondage, and slavery, and those who do so will NOT INHERIT WITH THE FREE - THE SONS.

because if THE SON (Jesus) sets us free, we are free indeed.

this isn't talking about Ishamel:

But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.

just must be born again.
zone.

 

[zone]

oh for.....why am i even here on this thread

PM me if you like Hizikyah.

if not to discuss this more, at least let me know how you are making out in a year from now.
i will pray for you.
zone.

 

[Hizikyah]

well, you have a lot to do, because chiliasm is another fable. hardly masonic.
but the HR people (which your thing is connected to) are all trained to hone in on Constantine; Isis; Ishtar; Obelsisks; blalh blah.....and the RC church as the originators of everything supposedly anti-jewish (in the HR mind 1+1=3) amillennialism must also be some kind of trick from SATAN.

when if only you knew the opposite is true concerning chiliasm.

if you are waiting for the Messianic Era 1,000 years AFTER Jesus comes, you're smack dab in between 2 groups who have indeed inherited lies:

unbelieving rabbis....and their gentile counterparts - (Darby et al) ....because for them it's all about a future CARNAL kingdom where somebody takes DOMINION.

if you spent more time in the New Testament and less time peering into hebrew letters...well.

you can think i'm a jackyl all you want to.

you already said you're not a christian. and you're not a jew, so i do not know what you are.

and by now, i have little doubt, as a result of what you're into, you deny the Eternal Deity of Jesus Christ.
if you don't already, that is where you're headed.

bye.

OP - i think this is on topic, please advise if not....zone

YashaNet HomePage ???

YashaNet exists to:

Explore the truth of the Torah in order to determine its role in our lives -- to lead people to a better understanding of G-d and how we are to be conformed to His image.

Help to correct the misunderstandings and misinterpretations of the Torah, the rest of the Tenakh, and the books of what is commonly called the "New Testament."

Re-establish the foundation upon which relationship with Yeshua the Messiah stands; correcting the disassociation from its historical Hebraic context.

Yichud Hashem
(Unification of the Name of G-d)

This chart presents a number of ideas from Torah in a fashion that shows a relationship between them based on the Four-letter Name of G-d. There are actually five parts to this Name when the top part of the first letter (called the "cusp" or "apex" of the Yod) is included. The information on this chart is from traditional Jewish sources. We are continually adding to this chart.

Soul Chart < click

it doesn't get any more kabbalistic than this i guess. there's that magic name thing going on ^

and here's a boatload of Mystery Religion..."Recommended Reading" (not):

Recommended Reading List < click

handy resources for the person who is departing from the christian faith:

The Real Truth About the Talmud
Responses to lies about the Talmud

TEXT STUDY LINKS

aish.com
torah.org
chabad.org
breslov.com
kabbalaonline.org
thirysix.org
inner.org
jewishnewyear.com

MULTIMEDIA

classicsinai.com
simpletoremember.com
aishaudio.com
universaltorah.com
chabad.org/multimedia
613.org

BOOKS & SOFTWARE

artscroll.com
feldheim.com
davka.com
judaicapress.com
targum.com
jewishsoftware.com

Parsha Schedule < click

what happens if i follow this site for truth - i'll pick a link at random:

Authentic Kabbalah, Chassidut, and Inspiring Torah from Harav Yitzchak Ginsburgh < click

Authentic Kabbalah - (lots of it)

and what is on that page as a resource?

Ten Campaigns (מִבְצָעִים). The Lubavitcher Rebbe established ten special campaigns, encouraging an increase in the observance of the the Torah's commandments. The ten campaigns correspond to the ten sefirot from wisdom to kingdom, as follows:

< kabbalah's ten sefirot - chart>

Above these 10 campaigns and corresponding to the sefirah of crown hovers God's campaign: bringing the Mashiach. The Lubavitcher Rebbe stressed that when we properly fulfill these ten campaigns, God will surely fulfill His campaign of bringing the Mashiach and the true and complete redemption speedily.

Ten Campaigns - Innerpedia - Encyclopedia of Torah's Inner Dimension - Chassidut and Kabbalah < click

same stuff Fabre d'Olivet was into.

and finally, another link from yashanet (which ludicrously asserts the NT was originally in Hebrew - so dump Christianity):

Teachings for Bnei Noach (aka Noahides or Righteous Gentiles)

Excerpts from Harav Ginsburgh's book Kabbalah and Meditation for the Nations

Reaching Out to Non-Jews

Our generation is the first since the dispersion of the Jewish People in which the Jew is able (and therefore obligated) to reach out to the non-Jew. The purpose is to create a movement among righteous gentiles worldwide, a forsaking of false religions and an acceptance of the seven Noahide commandments.

The Noahide commandments are those that God gave to Adam and his descendants and, after the flood, to Noah and his descendants. They are binding upon all of humanity, and were included in the Torah when God gave it to the People of Israel at Mount Sinai. The Torah testifies that these commandments were indeed those God gave man from the outset of creation, and is therefore the ultimate source of their authority.

The Torah further obligates Jews to teach and encourage all the nations of the earth to accept these commandments. A non-Jew who accepts the seven Noahide commandments recognizes that the ultimate purpose of his life is to serve God and establish peace on earth.

All Races Serving God

People of each skin color have their own corresponding characteristics and talents, in which they excel in their service of God. In the Messianic era, all the nations of the world will unite in their service of the One God of Israel. In the Torah portion of Noah (Genesis 6:9 - 11:32) the Torah focuses on Noah's children -- all of mankind -- in our individual yet united service of God.

Bnei Noach - Noahides - Index < click

In the Messianic era?

too bad this site rejects that Jesus is the Messiah, and the Messianic ERA came 2000 years ago.
oh.....they mean the future 1,000 year (non-existent) Messianic Era.

according to the above stuff - the idea is you come into the HR Movement (whatever name it goes by)....then over time you find out, no, you don't have to BECOME Hebrew to relate to God.
you have to obey Talmudic Laws as a gentile to relate to God.
that involves rejecting 'THAT MAN' (Jesus)

you're teaching a false gospel.

Ok for the record kabbalists are satanists, im am not a kabbalist or a satanists, I worship Yahweh. I used that link because it had a quote of the "church fathers" ( i call no man father, just how there known) saying they believed most of the NT was written in hebrew, I clearly state i did not know if this was true but interesting. I did state that there is a legit hebrew Mattithyah text that acutally corrects upon the greek version.

Next to try to tie me to one of these "movements" or "cults" is wrong, I am not a part of any of them, hence you saying you knew im not this or that, I dont consider myself to be a part of ANYTHIG except the body of Messiah, all these other "dnomonation"s "movements" and "cults" have mans fingerprints on them, I follow Yahshua, no man. Of course there is going to be a similar teaching here of there, I could take any christian, muslim, catholic, etc and tie some of their beliefs to another religion. If I wanted Im sure I could take your beliefs and find some nut job that believes similar and post it on here and say your a part of this. But I hvae no intention for anything but truth, by me doing that wouldnt be beneficial, so yeah.

about the kabbalists, you should know that MANY jews, rabbis, etc are into kabbala, regardless if the follow just the OTm OT and Talmud, or OT and NT. So to try to pull that card is silly, as I can find kabbalaists that use Yeshua (from what I have found most of them use Yeshua or Yeshiva, the latter being awful IMO)

lastly I want to say im not mad, I just wanted to straighten a few things out, again im sorry for my rudeness earlier.

 

[homwardbound]

Tannardarr's

Abraham was hebrew, Isaac, jacob, etc...

Melchizedek could have been... errrr.... which one, SHEM I think. It would have fit all the things in the timeline correctly.

per Scripture it shows you are mistaken as to who Melchizedek was and is. Thanks
Genesis 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

[h=3]Hebrews 7:2-4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]2 [/SUP]to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; [SUP]3 [/SUP]without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

 

[homwardbound]

hmm - if your saved, your sealed with the Holy Spirit, One indwelling, multiple fillings - apostles prayed over and over for the filling of the Holy Spirit, not that the Holy Spirit would come and indwell them again, so I would not say it's a second work of grace. You can pray with a group of believers, yes for the filling of the Holy Spirit, but it's not conditional to receiving a filling of the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 1:13 in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

Who can break a seal but God, and God is not a liar, so God will not break what God seals.

 

[homwardbound]

How can anyone know they are wrong, and think they have the spirit of God, and don't know that they don't. They of course assume they have it.

So you get a room full of doofuses who all demand "NO I HAVE THE SPIRIT", and since no one agrees with them, they of course are the ONLY ONE in the room with it. Truth is every person in there feels the same way, and in this room of my imagining, NONE Of them have it. BUT ALL of them would die to prove that THEY had it.

So, you test that spirit, and when you test it against scripture you find out that if the Spirit indwells you are not in the flesh nature/Sarx/SIN nature any more.

Now you can continue to claim you ARE indwelled, and try to change that verse to suit your claim, but what is that gonna get you? It gets you approval among men/peers/friends/neighbors, and that is ALL some people want. They do a lot of hard work in how they ACT, but by controlling their act so much, God can't lead them past the ACT to become something new. They spend all their time acting, and none of their time looking to the Prize and running that race.

They are in the wrong race.

Rather than becoming Blessed for their WEAK and DEPENDENT SPIRIT (see beattitudes...)
they work full time at being a STRONG SPIRIT.

That's the opposite of what Christ told the RYR he must do to become perfect, or spiritually mature.

Go man go, Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so what are you a professor or a possessor?

 

[homwardbound]

How can anyone know they are wrong, and think they have the spirit of God, and don't know that they don't. They of course assume they have it.

So you get a room full of doofuses who all demand "NO I HAVE THE SPIRIT", and since no one agrees with them, they of course are the ONLY ONE in the room with it. Truth is every person in there feels the same way, and in this room of my imagining, NONE Of them have it. BUT ALL of them would die to prove that THEY had it.

So, you test that spirit, and when you test it against scripture you find out that if the Spirit indwells you are not in the flesh nature/Sarx/SIN nature any more.

Now you can continue to claim you ARE indwelled, and try to change that verse to suit your claim, but what is that gonna get you? It gets you approval among men/peers/friends/neighbors, and that is ALL some people want. They do a lot of hard work in how they ACT, but by controlling their act so much, God can't lead them past the ACT to become something new. They spend all their time acting, and none of their time looking to the Prize and running that race.

They are in the wrong race.

Rather than becoming Blessed for their WEAK and DEPENDENT SPIRIT (see beattitudes...)
they work full time at being a STRONG SPIRIT.

That's the opposite of what Christ told the RYR he must do to become perfect, or spiritually mature.

Please tell me did Christ come in the flesh here on earth, and why was that? to do what?

 

[homwardbound]

19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: fnimmorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, fnfactions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

So, this sort of teaching, leads everyone to believe THEY are right.

The fruit of that thought, is 8.5 billion denominations for 8.0 billion protestants.

The fact of the matter is, Paul was appointed by Christ. (Using Paul as an example.) Paul trained, taught and helped grow others to be leaders in the Church. Timothy was one of them. TImothy was told to study to be approved. Who was he to be approved of???? He was a young kid, and he was at a church, over an area, that had many churches in it. THINK CATHOLIC BISHOP. Those Churches were led by....

And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,<<<<

And they were to..... teach theology and Bible??? Nope....

for the equipping of the fnsaints for the work of service,<<<<<<

What were the works, led by the church leaders, taught by the Bishop, who was told to be the studious one? Read the last parable of Matt 25 for EXAMPLES.

THE FRUIT OF THIS LEADING US THROUGH WORKS OF SERVICE DOES WHAT????

until we all attain to the unity of the faith, <<<<<

UNITY! NOT another denomination. WOW, that's not very protestant is it?

But, think about it. We'll disagree on the details, but we can all agree on who needs God's love...<<<<<

He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. (consider this providence.)

and do not go on presenting fnthe members of your body to sin asfninstrumentsof unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members asfninstrumentsofrighteousness to God.<<<<<

We are to present outselves to be TOOLS for God to use. NOT sit on our butts and talk about salvation. Salvation is the first step of a long race, not the destination.

If salvation is your destination, then you are a selfish person, solely focused on yourself and that is antithetical to LOVE as Jesus describes it.

This is the danger of trying to proclaim things we don't know for sure. I>E> "I'm led by the Spirit so I am right!".

When the Church realizes this, and admits only SOME have the Spiritual gifts of leadership and teaching, the rest of us are grunts to do the work, you may see some healing in the Church.

WHIle this is certainly how the Church of ROme is set up.... I don't think they have it right either. But I gotta admit, they are closer than Protestants are in this aspect of the Church body.

either we are led by man or God? God is truth and man a liar
So what is your object of Faith in God or man?

 

[RedTent]

I'm not reading a lot of this ungodly stuff about Jews! God gave us how we are to treat them. In Genesis 12:3 God said He will Bless those that bless them and curse those that curse them. So there are cc people who will be cursed.

Paul got all upset when some of them told the gentiles that rituals had the power to make them Christian or not. People have taken that truth and created it into huge untrue doctrines.

Can you imagine going to God in prayer and asking Him if He wants us to become a Hebrew? How about, in your prayer life, telling God He made a huge mistake when he suggested rituals to help with understanding Him? Paul said that our understanding through the HS and the crucifixion was better, but imagine going to God with your conclusion about how God was in error!

I think a lot of people truly need to take their understanding of how God sees Jews and gentiles differently to God, they truly do need to find the Godly answer to that one. God would tell them He sees all people the same, but He uses the Jews in a special way so He blesses them for that and asks us to understand that, too. It isn't because they are more precious as humans, it is because of the use God is making of them.

 

[zone]

I'm not reading a lot of this ungodly stuff about Jews!

?
how about the antichrist and ungodly religion of Talmudic Judaism that curses JESUS CHRIST (as well as the prophets and Moses himself)

that's a religion dear - open for examination, particularly if it's being leavened into Christianity.

any problems with that religion?

you don't have to be jewish to practice Kabbalah or Gnosticism.
it's very popular today - among many who say they are christians (not to mention a multitude of other groups)
well, actually many have stopped identifying as Christians, accordingly...and so they should.

God gave us how we are to treat them. In Genesis 12:3 God said He will Bless those that bless them and curse those that curse them. So there are cc people who will be cursed.

just another deceived false teacher. this is pretty serious RedTent. you`re dealing with the GOSPEL here.

somebody might believe this is the point of Genesis 12:3 - for awhile, if thats what theyve been taught, and havent bothered looking it up.

but after being shown, youre now responsible for false doctrine, and for denying that this is about Jesus Christ Himself, The Gospel, and the CHURCH (jew & gentile)

Genesis 12
The Call of Abram
1Now the LORD said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

this was said to Abram: I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse.
and you may want to consider it is referring primarily to CHRIST.

so are you blessing a religion that curses Christ or disapproving of the exposure of that religion...why.
Jesus Himself warned about it....yet you want to silence even Him on the matter, apparently.

Galatians 3:8
Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you." - gentiles would be called, blessed and equal. in CHRIST only. God announced THE GOSPEL in advance to Abram...do you get that or not.

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ. - what does Genesis 12:3 really say, RedTent....are you going to correct your misinterpretation of it and apply it to Abram and Christ or not.

or do you think your version is THE GOSPEL GOD ANNOUNCED beforehand to Abram.....christian zionists do.

nobody is to curse anybody - though paul did warn of an eternal curse for those bringing another gospel.

Luke 24:27
And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

Acts 3
24"And likewise, all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and his successors onward, also announced these days. 25 "It is you who are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant which God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, 'AND IN YOUR SEED ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH SHALL BE BLESSED.' 26 "For you first, God raised up His Servant and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways." - jews would be called FIRST, blessed and equal IN CHRIST only. there is ONE COVENANT, people enter into it through faith in Jesus Christ alone. you do know that ...right

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Paul got all upset when some of them told the gentiles that rituals had the power to make them Christian or not. People have taken that truth and created it into huge untrue doctrines.

lets let Paul speak for himself (or rather lets let God Himself speak, RedTent):

Galatians 3
By Faith, or by Works of the Law?
1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected bya the flesh? 4Did you sufferb so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

Genesis 12
The Call of Abram
1Now the LORD said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

now lets hear from you again:

God gave us how we are to treat them. In Genesis 12:3 God said He will Bless those that bless them and curse those that curse them. So there are cc people who will be cursed.

Galatians 3
The Righteous Shall Live by Faith
10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”d 12But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

...

7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

Genesis 12
The Call of Abram
1Now the LORD said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

Galatians
The Law and the Promise
15To give a human example, brothers:f even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

19Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

21Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slaveg nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

Paul got all upset when some of them told the gentiles that rituals had the power to make them Christian or not. People have taken that truth and created it into huge untrue doctrines.

Galatians 3
The Law and the Promise
15To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

19Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

21Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slaveg nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

Can you imagine going to God in prayer and asking Him if He wants us to become a Hebrew? How about, in your prayer life, telling God He made a huge mistake when he suggested rituals to help with understanding Him? Paul said that our understanding through the HS and the crucifixion was better, but imagine going to God with your conclusion about how God was in error!

Paul said that our understanding through the HS and the crucifixion was better, but

I think a lot of people truly need to take their understanding of how God sees Jews and gentiles differently to God, they truly do need to find the Godly answer to that one. God would tell them He sees all people the same, but He uses the Jews in a special way so He blesses them for that and asks us to understand that, too. It isn't because they are more precious as humans, it is because of the use God is making of them.

i think you need to publically correct your false doctrine.