Do people think we have to become Hebrew to relate to God?
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Gentiles cannot become Hebrew. God does not require Gentiles to be Hebrew. God did choose Israel from among all the nations to be a people that are His own. Israel is the nation through whom God has delivered His word to the entire world. Israel was to teach the word to all the nations of the world. Israel has failed especially in relation to the promised Messiah. God has passed the blessing He promised to Israel to the Gentiles. The Gentiles are the wild olive that is graft into the vine. God has not abandoned Israel and the end time prophecies are directed to Israel. There is no doubt that Israel is apostate but there is also no doubt that Israel will see her Messiah when He returns to the Mt of Olives and enters the eastern gate. Gentiles need to understand the bible from a Jewish perspective if they desire to know what God is doing or saying and why it is so. Israel has been unfaithful but God remains faithful and will perform all He has promised.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The most consistently persecuted race of people to this day; that GOD ALMIGHTY said that He made for himself, to be a strange and peculiar people.
And most likely I presume; for the purpose of seeing, who will do the persecuting.
I consider my self adopted into the tribe of Judah through the blood of Christ/Messiah; because all that Judah means is Praise.
And I Praise The GOD of Israel, The Father of the Covenant that was made in Love, through the families of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel, in and through the One who Confirmed that Covenant, Jesus The Christ/ Yeshua Messiah/ Melchezidek.
And most likely I presume; for the purpose of seeing, who will do the persecuting.
I consider my self adopted into the tribe of Judah through the blood of Christ/Messiah; because all that Judah means is Praise.
And I Praise The GOD of Israel, The Father of the Covenant that was made in Love, through the families of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel, in and through the One who Confirmed that Covenant, Jesus The Christ/ Yeshua Messiah/ Melchezidek.
LOL... methinks you need to read this > Deciphering Zechariah 14:5 | An indepth analysis of Zechariah 14:5
J
I think yall are confused in this matter. Those who practice Judaism and the man made state of Israel is not what is talked about in the Bible. The Children of Israel (the natural branches which you are referring to) is not synonymous with "Jew" and it is no where in the Bible where that claim can be made. Actually reading about Israel, the split kingdoms, exile, and things of this nature in any Bible except the Scoffield would give one more understanding about this.
For me, and for many others, this teaching is extremely important. No man is able to sieze understanding from the Word; it is learned only by means of the Holy Spirit. By the same token, no man can diagram how to decifer the Word, wholly or in part. There are no writings outside the Word that explain what Yahweh has already gifted us, mankind, with.
To think otherwise will lead quickly to what is falsely called knowledge. The books written to accompany the Bible by men without authorization from Yahweh may have the appearance of knowledge, but any gospel, other than that given to us by Yeshua, Jesus, is anathema, this definitely includes any writing which claims to explain the Word. The Word is Yeshua, Jesus.
Nothing put to print without the benefit of exchange with the writer may be considered as from above since the gospel was given to us by our Lord. Search the Scriptures and you will find all that is needed to know from our Father, He has alrealdy provided.
There are many theologies that have writings to accompany or to explain what our Father means to say. The very thought is ridiculous, and it leads in all directions except the direction indicated perfectly by the Word our Father has given us.
To think otherwise will lead quickly to what is falsely called knowledge. The books written to accompany the Bible by men without authorization from Yahweh may have the appearance of knowledge, but any gospel, other than that given to us by Yeshua, Jesus, is anathema, this definitely includes any writing which claims to explain the Word. The Word is Yeshua, Jesus.
Nothing put to print without the benefit of exchange with the writer may be considered as from above since the gospel was given to us by our Lord. Search the Scriptures and you will find all that is needed to know from our Father, He has alrealdy provided.
There are many theologies that have writings to accompany or to explain what our Father means to say. The very thought is ridiculous, and it leads in all directions except the direction indicated perfectly by the Word our Father has given us.
J
What assumptions did I make? I said nothing about what you follow or believe. All I said was the Children of Israel in no way equals the Jews.
In Romans 11, Paul does not mention the Jews anywhere. Paul starts by saying that he is an ISRAELITE, of the seed of ABRAHAM, of the Tribe of BENJAMIN. Why didn't Paul bring up religious Jews in the verse? Further more, the Children of Israel wasn't the olive tree. The Bible says that they were the natural branches who were cut off for unbelief and we (gentiles) were grafted in and became part takers of the root and fatness of the olive tree. Paul states that we are cultivated as a part of that tree. Something that is overlooked in this is the Children of Israel must be grafted BACK into the tree.
In Romans 11, Paul does not mention the Jews anywhere. Paul starts by saying that he is an ISRAELITE, of the seed of ABRAHAM, of the Tribe of BENJAMIN. Why didn't Paul bring up religious Jews in the verse? Further more, the Children of Israel wasn't the olive tree. The Bible says that they were the natural branches who were cut off for unbelief and we (gentiles) were grafted in and became part takers of the root and fatness of the olive tree. Paul states that we are cultivated as a part of that tree. Something that is overlooked in this is the Children of Israel must be grafted BACK into the tree.
Assumption one, you think I, for you say y'all, have a political posture regarding the State of Israel of this age. Assumption two, you think I do not know there is more than one Israel referenced in the overall scheme designed by Yahweh. Assumption three, you think I have not learned decades ago the difference between Jews and Israelis, and the translation of each title, for they are titles. You may refer to your writings about the Word, but I will continue to trust the Holy Spirit teaching all who have been saved.
I recommend study of the Old Testament and the references to Israel and Judah, and the references to the Patriarchs in prophecy. All who believe Yahweh are of the faith of Abraham, those of his kindred in the faith, and we who entered by the Gate he and his descendants possess for they do indeed possess the Gate of their enemy.
I recommend study of the Old Testament and the references to Israel and Judah, and the references to the Patriarchs in prophecy. All who believe Yahweh are of the faith of Abraham, those of his kindred in the faith, and we who entered by the Gate he and his descendants possess for they do indeed possess the Gate of their enemy.
J
I apologize for the confusion. I should have specified points but I was just lumping them together. But I will say this, I have done a study of Israel and Judah (concerning the split, were Jerusalem was located, how Judah was the kingdom that preserved seed of David's reign, Israel turning away from God, and the destruction of both Kingdoms), as well as the what was said about them in prophecy (knowing that more was said about the Children/House of Israel and Jerusalem) . I don't refer to my writings (whatever that may be) because the Word is very clear about the event that happened. But going back to what we were talking about, what I addressed primarily with you is what you said about "turning on the original tree," and us being grafted into the tree. Who (or should I say what.....) is the olive tree in Romans 11?
My mind is taken to the warning that if Yahweh did not spare the original branches, think not that you the wild branches having been grafted in cannot also be removed.
I constantly say tree, but I should say branches. It stands to reason though that the original branches would form part of the tree as now do those wild branches (us I believe) grafted in. We are all nourished by the same roots. When I say this, I am not saying Hebrew Roots. Someone who comes into this forum has told me repeatedly I belong to that movement; I do not even know anything about it except what has been posted here.
I must declare that I do believe my faith in Yeshua, Jesus, is the faith of Abraham. He is spiritually our forefather, while our Eternal Father is Yahweh, Who is the Son and the Holy Spirit...Isaiah 9.
My thoughts toward the Israel of this age are that it is there for the fulfillment of prophecy. I do not know all the dark mysteries of prophecy as do so many who come here, but by faith, I do know what happens in the Israel of this age is written, and there is nothing I need do to cause anything there to take place except pray to our Father that His will be done.
While things have developed over the decades it has been totally fascinating to actually witness just what is coming about. Yahweh does not make any of these prophecies come about, no, He is perfect, and He knows what He has created and how the creature will develop, thus He informs us in His Word, saying in advance things which have yet to come about. He is wonderful, and we love Him, amen.
I constantly say tree, but I should say branches. It stands to reason though that the original branches would form part of the tree as now do those wild branches (us I believe) grafted in. We are all nourished by the same roots. When I say this, I am not saying Hebrew Roots. Someone who comes into this forum has told me repeatedly I belong to that movement; I do not even know anything about it except what has been posted here.
I must declare that I do believe my faith in Yeshua, Jesus, is the faith of Abraham. He is spiritually our forefather, while our Eternal Father is Yahweh, Who is the Son and the Holy Spirit...Isaiah 9.
My thoughts toward the Israel of this age are that it is there for the fulfillment of prophecy. I do not know all the dark mysteries of prophecy as do so many who come here, but by faith, I do know what happens in the Israel of this age is written, and there is nothing I need do to cause anything there to take place except pray to our Father that His will be done.
While things have developed over the decades it has been totally fascinating to actually witness just what is coming about. Yahweh does not make any of these prophecies come about, no, He is perfect, and He knows what He has created and how the creature will develop, thus He informs us in His Word, saying in advance things which have yet to come about. He is wonderful, and we love Him, amen.
My only stipulation on repeating what I have posted is this. If you have understood in the spirit, repeat with your own understanding of the post, and not with a quote. The glory of any teaching or learning must be our Father's. I hope I do not sound stange requesting this, but it is very important to me, and I believe for you also.
This statement of yours, my Brother, could easily be transposed on almost EVERY thread in this Forum.......for it surely holds much truth.......and, with your permission, I may well borrow it sometime... 
......dunno what else to say but
AMEN!
......dunno what else to say butAMEN!
M
Was Jesus a Jew? Don't get me wrong, I understand that Jesus was a descendant of David and Judah, through Mary (seed of a woman). But I think that in this day and age, He would better be described as Judean. The reason for this is those who call themselves Jews today are not descendants of Judah, nor often even inhabitants of Judeah, but rather the spiritual descendants of the enemies of Jesus, the Pharisees.
When someone says "Jew" today, they are talking about religion, not a race. And today's Jewish religion isn't the religion of the Godly Israelites or the prophets, it is largely the same religion Jesus condemned for adding to God's words, and taking away from them, to nullify the words of God. In other words, Pharisaism, or Babylonian Talmudism.
So in my view, it is inaccurate today to call Jesus a Jew, or if you do insist, then I would certainly advise calling the Pharisees what they really are (i.e. not Jews). Don't link their wickedness and damnation with the righteousness and salvation that is in our Lord.
When someone says "Jew" today, they are talking about religion, not a race. And today's Jewish religion isn't the religion of the Godly Israelites or the prophets, it is largely the same religion Jesus condemned for adding to God's words, and taking away from them, to nullify the words of God. In other words, Pharisaism, or Babylonian Talmudism.
So in my view, it is inaccurate today to call Jesus a Jew, or if you do insist, then I would certainly advise calling the Pharisees what they really are (i.e. not Jews). Don't link their wickedness and damnation with the righteousness and salvation that is in our Lord.
I never said otherwise, but the only manner to get it through to others is using the modern adjective which says the very same as Judean, it is proper grammatically.
Jew, Judah, Judean, Yahuda etc.. all are from the same cognitive root.
Also, just as is Yeshua, we are of the faith of Abraham, so to attempt to make it sound as though it only signifies religion is splitting hairs since there are factions under that umbrella today just as there are under the name Christian. When we say someone is Christian, that could mean anything, but the base meaning is understood, so it is with the word Jew. They were the descendants in Israel at the time of Yeshua.
Jew, Judah, Judean, Yahuda etc.. all are from the same cognitive root.
Also, just as is Yeshua, we are of the faith of Abraham, so to attempt to make it sound as though it only signifies religion is splitting hairs since there are factions under that umbrella today just as there are under the name Christian. When we say someone is Christian, that could mean anything, but the base meaning is understood, so it is with the word Jew. They were the descendants in Israel at the time of Yeshua.
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