Do we Believe Jesus and/or Obey Jesus?

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Do we Believe Jesus and/or Obey Jesus?

  • We only have to believe Yahshua/Jesus and not obey Him and we will enter the kingdom

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • We have to believe and obey Yahshua/Jesus to enter the kingdom

    Votes: 12 85.7%

  • Total voters
    14

MarcR

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This is true if we only look at the resurrections verses themselves as By all 4 accounts He had already Resurrected before the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] day/ Sunday;

Matthew 28:1-6, "”But late in the sabbath, as it was dawning into day one of the week, Miryam from Maḡdala and the other Miryam came to see the tomb. And see, there was a great earthquake, for a messenger of יהוה came down out of heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. And his appearance was like lightning, and his garments as white as snow. And the guards trembled for fear of him, and became like dead men. And the messenger responding, said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek יהושע who was impaled. He is not here, for He was raised, as He said. Come, see the place where the Master lay.”

it was dawning into day one of the week”...“He is not here, for He was raised

Mark 16:1-6, “And when the Sabbath was past, Miryam from Maḡdala, and Miryam the mother of Ya‛aqoḇ, and Shelomah bought spices, to go and anoint Him. And very early on day one of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. And they said among themselves, “Who shall roll away the stone from the entrance of the tomb for us?” And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, for it was extremely large. And having entered into the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right, wearing a white robe, and they were greatly astonished. And he said to them, “Do not be much astonished. You seek יהושע of Natsareth, who was impaled. He was raised – He is not here! See the place where they laid Him.”

very early on day one of the week”...“He was raised – He is not here

Luke 24:1-3, “But on day one of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. And having entered, they did not find the body of the Master יהושע.”

on day one of the week, at early dawn”...“they did not find the body of the Master יהושע

John 20:1, “And on the first day of the week Miryam from Maḡdala came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb.”

on the first day of the week”...“the stone had been removed from the tomb

However if we take evry bit of evidence into account I believe there is a clear timeline.



Here you will see the breakdown of what a day is according to YHWH (the Creator of all that is, including the day). It takes some getting used to but the days start and end at sundown. Not a roman day, or a jewish day but YHWH's day. Example;

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Berĕshith/Genesis 1:5, “And Yah called the light ‘day’ and the darkness He called ‘night.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the first day.”


Leviticus 23:32, “It is a Sabbath of rest to you, and you shall afflict your beings. On the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you observe your Sabbath.”


"evening" is word # H6153. ereb - Strong's Concordance: ereb: evening, Original Word: עָ֫רֶב, Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: ereb, Phonetic Spelling: (eh'-reb), Short Definition: evening


Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) 1) evening, night, sunset, 1a) evening, sunset, 1b) night



Nice observation about the word week/Sabbath. That is another study in itself so I would like to keep it simnple for now.

Basically Yah made the 7th day Sabbath and 7 Feast Days or High Sabbaths/Moadim. We can see the difference, and that the Feast Day/High Sabbath being spoken of was passover, this falls on the 14 day of the first rmnewed moon of the year. (around the end of march/beginning of April and on any day of the week, because it is not dictated by a day of the week but rather the 14th iof the 1st moon.)

Mattithyah12:40, “For as Yahnah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

John 19:14-15, “And it was the Preparation Day of the Passover, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Yehuḏim, “See your Sovereign! But they shouted, “Away, away, impale Him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I impale your Sovereign?” The chief priests answered, “We have no sovereign except Caesar!”



Here we see “it was the Preparation Day of the Passover” this shows us that it was indeed “the preparation day” for the Passover (High Sabbath) and not “the preparation day” for the weekly Sabbath (7[SUP]th[/SUP] day)

John 19:31, “Therefore, since it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the stake on the Sabbath – for that Sabbath was a high one – the Yehuḏim asked Pilate to have their legs broken, and that they be taken away.”



Here we see the same; “it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the stake on the Sabbath – for that Sabbath was a high one” showing the Messiah was killed on “the preparation day” and the prior verse says it was before the Passover and this verse shows it was before the High Sabbath, meaning the same thing, the Passover.

Luke 23:52-54, "he, going to Pilate, asked for the body of יהושע. Then he took it down, wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a tomb that was hewn out of the rock, where no one had ever lain before. That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near."



So by this time Yahshua has been Sacrificed, His body wrapped and taken to the tomb, yet it is still not yet sundown, but “That day was the Preparation, and the Sabbath drew near” and remember it is not the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day weekly Sabbath;


John 19:31, “Therefore, since it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the stake on the Sabbath – for that Sabbath was a high one...”


John 19:42, “There, then, because of the Preparation Day of the Yehuḏim, they laid יהושע, because the tomb was near.”


Mat 27:59-66, “And having taken the body, Yosĕph wrapped it in clean linen, and laid it in his new tomb which he had hewn out of the rock. And he rolled a large stone against the door of the tomb, and went away. And Miryam from Maḡdala was there, and the other Miryam, sitting opposite the tomb. On the next day, which was after the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, saying, “Master, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I am raised. Command, then, that the tomb be safeguarded until the third day, lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away, and should say to the people, ‘He was raised from the dead.’ And the last deception shall be worse than the first. So Pilate said to them, “You have a watch, go, safeguard it as you know how. And they went and safeguarded the tomb, sealing the stone and setting the watch.”


Mat 28:1-15, “1, "But late in the sabbath, as it was dawning into day one of the week, Miryam from Maḡdala and the other Miryam came to see the tomb. 2, "And see, there was a great earthquake, for a messenger of יהוה came down out of heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat on it. 3, "And his appearance was like lightning, and his garments as white as snow. 28:4, "And the guards trembled for fear of him, and became like dead men. 5, "And the messenger responding, said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek יהושע who was impaled. 6, "“He is not here, for He was raised, as He said. Come, see the place where the Master lay. 7, "“And go quickly, say to His disciples that He was raised from the dead, and see, He is going before you to Galil. There you shall see Him. See, I have told you. 8, "And they left the tomb quickly, with fear and great joy, and ran to report to His disciples. 9, "And as they were going to report to His disciples, see, יהושע met them, saying, “Greetings!” And they came and held Him by the feet and did bow to Him. 10, "Then יהושע said to them, “Do not be afraid. Go, report to My brothers, to go to Galil, and they shall see Me there. 11, "And while they were going, see, some of the guards having gone into the city, reported to the chief priests all that took place. 12, "And when they had come together with the elders and taken counsel, they gave enough silver to the soldiers, 13, "saying, “Say that His disciples came at night and stole Him away while we slept. 14, "“And if this should be reported to the governor, we shall win him over and keep you out of trouble. 15, "And having taken the silver they did as they were instructed. And this account was widely spread among the Yehuḏim, to this day.”




A mostly complete study can be found here, and a few questions people h\ad were answereddd later in the thread, but the 1st 3 posts give the majority of the important topics:

Thread link here:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/159572-when-messiah-put-grave-when-did-he-resurrect.html

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If you have any questions feel free to ask, no need to read the entire thread if you on't want to, but there are differeing opinions and it's goo to hear all angles IMO. BUt please at least check out the first 3 posts, it is an important thing in my eyes to know the truth about what the Messiah says is the only true sign. Be well and praiseYah!
Your translation reads: Mat 28:1-15, “1, "But late in the sabbath, as it was dawning into day one of the week;
but, that is impossible! Sabbath ends at sundown of the seventh day. Dawn of the first day (that close to the equinox) is roughly 12 hours later. The Greek word translated as
late in is ὀψέ which can and in this case does mean 'after'. Reading ὀψέ as 'after: the resurrection could occur any time after sundown and still be on the First day of the week.
 

shrume

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Your translation reads: Mat 28:1-15, “1, "But late in the sabbath, as it was dawning into day one of the week;
but, that is impossible! Sabbath ends at sundown of the seventh day. Dawn of the first day (that close to the equinox) is roughly 12 hours later. The Greek word translated as
late in is ὀψέ which can and in this case does mean 'after'. Reading ὀψέ as 'after: the resurrection could occur any time after sundown and still be on the First day of the week.
Don't forget that "dawn" meant "beginning", and not sunrise.

The women visited the tomb late on Saturday, as the dawning (beginning) of the first day of the week was approaching.

Jesus had already been resurrected.
 

Hizikyah

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Your translation reads: Mat 28:1-15, “1, "But late in the sabbath, as it was dawning into day one of the week;
but, that is impossible! Sabbath ends at sundown of the seventh day. Dawn of the first day (that close to the equinox) is roughly 12 hours later. The Greek word translated as
late in is ὀψέ which can and in this case does mean 'after'. Reading ὀψέ as 'after: the resurrection could occur any time after sundown and still be on the First day of the week.
Don't forget that "dawn" meant "beginning", and not sunrise.

The women visited the tomb late on Saturday, as the dawning (beginning) of the first day of the week was approaching.

Jesus had already been resurrected.
the word translate as "dawn" iis

2020. epiphóskó Strong's Concordance
epiphóskó: to let shine, i.e. to dawn​
Original Word: ἐπιφώσκω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: epiphóskó
Phonetic Spelling: (ep-ee-foce'-ko)
Short Definition: I dawn, am near commencing
Definition: I dawn, am near commencing.
 

MarcR

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Don't forget that "dawn" meant "beginning", and not sunrise.

The women visited the tomb late on Saturday, as the dawning (beginning) of the first day of the week was approaching.

Jesus had already been resurrected.
Don't forget that "dawn" meant "beginning" Perhapps in English; but not usually.

The Greek ἐπιφωσκούσῃ means beginning to become light.