Do We Have To Keep The Law?

[seed_time_harvest]

he did not keep the law, because he was the only righteous on earth and the law was not for him. he was no law breaker. the law was for and is for sinners only and Jesus was no sinner.

When you put a comma behind the words "HE did not keep the law"I was wondering why would you say that and then I saw what you meant.

To say what I think you meant to say Is
HE kept the law on our behalf and HE didn't need to keep the law because HE was already righteous and If you meant It that way I agree.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

If you struggle ,it is because you have not bound up sin in your life, it is still loose. what you bound up on earth is bound up in heaven. what you loose on earth is loose in heaven,.

A person can't fulfill the law In their own strength so then how would a person bind sin without coming unto JESUS all who are burdened and heavy laden.

I think you are talking about conditional sanctification not salvation.

Romans 12:1-2
King James Version(KJV)


1.)I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2.)And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[Shamah]

Fact is those who enter do guard His Commands/Law:

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”


and the Messiah said it, I just quoted it... yet His words if spoken from my mouth would surely bring much accusation.


Revelation 22:11-15, “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy, let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart. And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood.”

That is descriptive of believers.

Works follow as the fruit of salvation, but not the root of it.

It depends on your interpretation.

Descriptive of unbelievers.

Descriptive of believers.

*Notice "reward" (not eternal life) is connected with "according as his work shall be." Now read 1 Corinthians 3:13 - each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; (of reward) but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. Eternal life/Salvation is a gift that we freely receive (Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8) and is not a reward that we work for and earn.

Descriptive of believers. BTW other translations read, "Blessed are those who wash their robes," (Revelation 22:14 - ASV; ESV; NASB; NIV; NCV; NRS etc..) which symbolizes those who have been forgiven of their sins through the blood of the Lamb (Romans 3:24-26). *Also see Revelation 7:14.

Those who by faith that have trusted in Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation have received Christ's imputed righteousness (Romans 4:4-6; Philippians 3:9). Unbelievers are all in the same boat with those in Revelation 22:15.

Descriptive of unbelievers.

You make some goodpoints here, but there are two things that raise my interest, one Scriptual deveation and one question.

Rev 22:14;

The originals read "keep the Commands/Laws/Instructions it was not untilyears later that copies that said "wash their robes" emerged. So only one version can be true, the version John wrote that Yahshua spoke to him.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:12-15, “And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood.”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]14 “Blessed are those doingb His commands, so that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through the gates into the city.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]See Mat 19:17, Long before the books were compiled to form “The New Testament,” Rev 22:14 was quoted, as it is here given, by Tertullian (CE 208), and by Cyprian (CE 251) – see the well-known Antenicene Fathers.

Second, you said the keeping/guarding of the Commands is evidence of a believer, I agree with this, but I would like to ask why then do so many beleivers say in some way shape of form The Law/Command keeping is "done away" "bad" "justified by wirks" or some other similar claim?

After all the Law is written on the heart of the believer;

[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
[/FONT]

 

[gotime]

The letter of the law as that seen

The works of the flesh are breaking the law as it is written:

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Jackson123]

Indeed and by abiding to the vine, you are keeping the law, the law thing is really probably not the choice words anymore but none the less it is still what is being obeyed the Ten Commandments by abiding. either way you look at it, it is still obeying by not doing those things anymore, Jesus doesn't force people to obey or wipe out any negative thoughts a person might have, yea someone could get you really mad by hurting a family member and you might have thoughts of killing them but with a true Christian heart you'll come to your senses and start to forgive the person that's the right way.

seem to me there is a different between old Covenant and New Covenant. Obey 10 c is obey old covenant.

for example not commit adultery, on the old c if one caught commit adultery will be kill by congregation. How it coughs, it must mean physically. In the New c, if you look a woman with lust, you are guilty.

So so do with sabbath, it was more physically, in the NC, simply by come to Jesus.

 

[Shamah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

[/FONT]
John 5:21-30,21 “For as the Father raises the dead and makes alive, even so the Son makes alive whom He wishes."22 “For the Father judges no one, but has given all the judgment to the Son,"23 that all should value the Son even as they value the Father. He who does not value the Son does not value the Father who sent Him."24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me possesses everlasting life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of Elohim. And those having heard shall live."26 “For as the Father possesses life in Himself, so He gave also to the Son to possess life in Himself,"27 and He has given Him authority also to do judgment, because He is the Son of Aḏam."28 “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice,"29 and shall come forth – those who have practiced righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practised evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment."30 “Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me."



Isaiah 11:1-10, “And a Twig shall come forth from the stump of Yishai, and a Branch from his roots shall be fruitful. The Spirit of יהוה shall rest upon Him – the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of יהוה, and shall make Him breathe in the fear of יהוה. And He shall not judge by the sight of His eyes, nor decide by the hearing of His ears. But with righteousness He shall judge the poor, and shall decide with straightness for the meek ones of the earth, and shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth (Rev 19:15, Hebrews 4:12-13), and slay the wrong with the breath of His lips. And righteousness shall be the girdle of His loins, and trustworthiness the girdle of His waist. And a wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and a leopard lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together, and a little child leads them. And cow and bear shall feed, their young ones lie down together, and a lion eat straw like an ox. And the nursing child shall play by the cobra’s hole, and the weaned child shall put his hand in the adder’s den. They do no evil nor destroy in all My set-apart mountain, for the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of יהוה as the waters cover the sea. And in that day there shall be a Root of Yishai, standing as a banner to the people. Unto Him the nations shall seek, and His rest shall be esteem.”


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself – and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood (Isaiah 63:2) and His Name is called: The Word of יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of the Almighty Strength. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS.”[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]
[/FONT]

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

It's funny that folks think that keeping the law of Moses is the only way to act righteously. Abraham and the many godly men before him didn't have that law.

 

[Budman]

Yes. And when I fail...

That...is...HILARIOUS!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What folks need to keep in mind is that the law of Moses was a national law. It's not a heavy burden for a righteous person to keep. But it is a heavy burden and impossible for a nation to always keep because there are always wicked people around and not always righteous leaders to reign them in.

I get the feeling that many church people focus on the law of Moses so that they don't have to focus on the law of Christ. The law of Christ is much, much harder to follow because it goes to the very root of sin - the very thoughts and intents of the mind and heart. Try focusing on that day in, day out, and you will find how difficult it can be.

 

[beta]

You also have no understanding here....Christians are not lawless.

Of course they are !!! if they teach against the law/commandments !!! they are deceived !!!

 

[seed_time_harvest]

if we obey his commands to Love God and others... then the commandments are covered because we won't be disregarding those either if we love God and others.

And those commandments would be the two commandments to love GOD and your neighbor and If GOD had not of loved us first we would not be able to do anything that GOD would accept In our own strength.

 

[beta]

There is NO NT imperative to observe the Sabbath - see my post above...

And there is a NT scripture saying 'if we break one we break all !...note NT ...present time !

 

[beta]

Yes it is Jesus observed it often did he every sabbath no but He did observe it, like wise you can't phycically work seven days a week for ever, like wise you can't go for ever without having communion with others about God. yea you can miss a few sermons. the law in the OT, if you miss it once you broke the law and your done. that was how it was in the OT you didn't get a thousand chances to straight up nor really do we get a thousand chances to straight up today why because it still stands, and Jesus is forgiving and understanding, patience. But even his patience forgiving understanding has limits.

Yes, ultimately continual disobedience (rebellion) will demand death.
People are not realising that GRACE buys them time to be corrected from their evil ways....puts them on 'probation (so to speak)giving them time to learn obedience ! even Jesus as Son of God had to learn obedience, and WE being 'conformed to HIS image have to do the same if we want to be sons/daughters of God.
Jesus did not die for us so we can continue to sin...God forbid !!!

 

[gb9]

Yes, ultimately continual disobedience (rebellion) will demand death.
People are not realising that GRACE buys them time to be corrected from their evil ways....puts them on 'probation (so to speak)giving them time to learn obedience ! even Jesus as Son of God had to learn obedience, and WE being 'conformed to HIS image have to do the same if we want to be sons/daughters of God.
Jesus did not die for us so we can continue to sin...God forbid !!!

so, in other words, grace is not a gift, it has to be earned. o.k. you could not be more wrong ( or delusional ), but you are free to have your opinions.

 

[beta]

What of the Ten Commandments do people most struggle with or find it impossible to keep?

Scripture tells us they are not impossible/burdensome/grievous 1Joh 5v3....
they just refuse to keep them !!! with GOD's Spirit all things are possible !!!

 

[gb9]

Scripture tells us they are not impossible/burdensome/grievous 1Joh 5v3....
they just refuse to keep them !!! with GOD's Spirit all things are possible !!!

um, in 1st John, John is not talking about the Ten. he, in chapter 3, says the commands are to believe in the name of the Son, and love one another.

 

[razor17]

If you so much as touch the outside of a wrapper of a bacon pouch at walmart you are unclean and must be thrown outside of the camp and howl "unclean unclean unclean" then you can choose to live outside the camp or be stoned if you try to re-enter the camp...its your choice...you decide.....

 

[Tommy379]

I'm not obeying a law that denies bacon.

 

[razor17]

I'm not obeying a law that denies bacon.

then prepare to be stoned...and no you will not get high.......

 

[Ralph-]

I get the feeling that many church people focus on the law of Moses so that they don't have to focus on the law of Christ. The law of Christ is much, much harder to follow because it goes to the very root of sin - the very thoughts and intents of the mind and heart. Try focusing on that day in, day out, and you will find how difficult it can be.

Can you give us an example?