Do We Have To Keep The Law?

[7seasrekeyed]

Yep basically to those have accepted Jesus there are but two commandments to abide by where as those who have not accepted him the law is what they must live by if of course anyone excludes scriptures like that those who do accept Jesus have no condemnation where as those who have not accepted him are condemned still.

as another poster said, what Jesus gave is actually harder to follow but people seem to love to put them on a flag and ride out under it

thing is, as I posted they fullfill the commandments God gave

God and Jesus are not at variance with each other

the arguing over this never ends and its a sad comment on how people seem to think that God gave one thing and Jesus came along and made it all easier for us

if I could delete one question from the vocabulary of some people, it would be 'have you never broke a commandment? or can you keep all the commandments? and all variations thereof

it's like robot speak already

 

[LPT]

no one can keep the first.

The rest, I think jesus showed on the sermon on the mount, we may think we keep them, but we probably do not.

no one can keep the first, have no other Gods before Him? How so please explain your understanding about that.

 

[1ofthem]

When Jesus speaks of the law and prophets, he speaks of the whole OT. The term law (torah) was a term used to either mean law of moses. first 5 books or whole OT. (When David says he delights in Gods law, he meant he delights in all of Gods word. Not just mosaic law) so love covers not just the ten, but every one of Gods commands, the ten are just a small sample of possible sins.



Paul was talking about mosaic law in that passage, if your going to follow one your indebted to follow them all. Because in order to fulfill mosaic law. EVERY command had to be kept perfectly. Only christ did this, that why paul called them foolish for trying to be saved in the spirit, but maintain in the flesh (works)

I don’t know but we may be saying the same thing but using different terminology or concept or something.

I am saying if we follow the Law of Love…Then we are going to be keeping the commandments.

If we live in the Spirit then we also walk in the Spirit and we know that the Spirit keeps the 10 commandments because they are still good and holy.

I don’t think Jesus took away from them…He showed us how to fulfill them…by walking with him and in the Spirit.

Now circumcision and all that other stuff is no longer applicable. It is fleshly and doesn’t apply to the Spirit or the Law of Love. The ten still apply to the Law of Love because what are they really, but Love of God and Love of Neighbor.

That’s why I don’t get why they are even in question here.

And like someone else said Jesus didn’t take them away…He actually showed how much harder the Law of Love is and we know that no one can keep the law of love without his help and walking in the Spirit. The flesh cannot keep the law of love on its own. We need Jesus to help us, but that don’t mean we just throw ‘em out and say Jesus already kept them so we don’t have to. I’m not saying that is what you are saying here, but some people do believe exactly that.

 

[JaumeJ]

Are you a sheep of the Good Shepherd's pasture?

If you are, then you recognize and hear His Voice.

Have you truly heard what He was saying when He spoke of
and taught the law within the working of our Salvation by
His mercy and grace?

If you have then you know to always apply mercy, and let us not forge justice
and faith.

Have you heard Him when He teaches that He did not come to destroy the law,
rather He came to fulfill it?

Did you hear Him say along with the above, anyone who teaches against the least
of the laws will be least in heaven? I hate to think what will happen to ay who teach
against all of the law.

Are you learned in His teaching that very few of the laws remain that are not fulfilled?

The ones that remain are all of those most obvious law that each us the components
of Godly Love, for God IS Love.

Why go along with a large number of traditionalists who teach each other without hearing all the above from Jesus
Christ?

Yes, we are to obey all of the laws remaining because they are being fulfilled in us until that day, His Day, when
God has completed the work He began in us, and we are perfect.

All of you who are perfect now need not pay any attention to the teachings of our Master here aforementioned for you
are perfect without God's work being completed in you.

 

[LPT]

I don’t know but we may be saying the same thing but using different terminology or concept or something.

I am saying if we follow the Law of Love…Then we are going to be keeping the commandments.

If we live in the Spirit then we also walk in the Spirit and we know that the Spirit keeps the 10 commandments because they are still good and holy.

I don’t think Jesus took away from them…He showed us how to fulfill them…by walking with him and in the Spirit.

Now circumcision and all that other stuff is no longer applicable. It is fleshly and doesn’t apply to the Spirit or the Law of Love. The ten still apply to the Law of Love because what are they really, but Love of God and Love of Neighbor.

That’s why I don’t get why they are even in question here.

And like someone else said Jesus didn’t take them away…He actually showed how much harder the Law of Love is and we know that no one can keep the law of love without his help and walking in the Spirit. The flesh cannot keep the law of love on its own. We need Jesus to help us, but that don’t mean we just throw ‘em out and say Jesus already kept them so we don’t have to. I’m not saying that is what you are saying here, but some people do believe exactly that.

Your right about that for sure,

IMO keeping the Ten Commandments is a walk in the park compared to keeping the law of love. when a person kills your whole family infront of you and you are required to forgive them with all your heart like it never happened. Easier said than done indeed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

he did not keep the law, because he was the only righteous on earth and the law was not for him. he was no law breaker. the law was for and is for sinners only and Jesus was no sinner.

not true He had to keep the law so he could be our sacrifice.

 

[LPT]

not true He had to keep the law so he could be our sacrifice.

Good answer,

IMO I think it was more like he wanted to than had to.

 

[JaumeJ]

Jesus Christ is the only one ever to be perfect in the flesh. Do not say He kept the law according to the manner in which most consider "keeping the law," for that is just not true.

He obeyed to the end according to His Teaching and understanding of the Lw, always apply mercy, faith and justice. These terms are difficult for some to grasp, but there are many examples of His teaching and acting in a manner that would seem contrary to
the law to those who ae under it and to hypocrites.

If you have read the Word, and understand it from Jesus, you will not only obey Him but do and conduct yourself as much as possible as He did.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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That...is...HILARIOUS!

I have to wonder at times if he is just joking, Just trying to ruffle peoples feathers, It is hilarious..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Of course they are !!! if they teach against the law/commandments !!! they are deceived !!!

remember, People trying to teach law AGAINST its intended purpose are teaching against the law and commands.. Many people who think they honor the law dishonor it..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And there is a NT scripture saying 'if we break one we break all !...note NT ...present time !

yes, Which means NON OF US CAN KEEP IT.

So the law must have another purpose. since only Christ kept it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, ultimately continual disobedience (rebellion) will demand death.
People are not realising that GRACE buys them time to be corrected from their evil ways....puts them on 'probation (so to speak)giving them time to learn obedience ! even Jesus as Son of God had to learn obedience, and WE being 'conformed to HIS image have to do the same if we want to be sons/daughters of God.
Jesus did not die for us so we can continue to sin...God forbid !!!

Um excuse me, One sin demanded death, Adam sinned once and the world has suffered ever since.. One sin and as paul said in gal 3. You are cursed by the law.

 

[Ralph-]

the law of love is NOT the law of moses.

James says it is the law of Moses:


'If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[SUP]a[/SUP] you are doing right.'-James 2:8


And not only that, he says we are doing right if we keep it. But you and others say we are doing wrong if we keep it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can you give us an example?

Um, Ever read the sermon on the mount, Jesus showed how the law says one thing, But God demands even more.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

IMO the sermon on the mount was not about the Law; it is all about the gospel.

So jesus telling us that if we look at a woman in lust we sin, and are transgressors. And that is about salvation? Ok.

sorry but your wrong. He was contrasting the law of moses (letter) with the truth of what is really sin (the spirit)

so tell me how does a person put the needs of a abuser/killer/rapist/molester before mine. I like to know how you Love?

what is sin to you? is believing in multible Gods a sin! and if so were can you find that teaching in the bible?

WHat is sin? Any time you take your eyes of Jesus, or serving others, and place it on self. that is sin. NO MATTER WHAT ACTION YOU ARE PERFORMING

2 people can be doing the very same act (giving money to the poor and needy)

1 person can be producing fruit, because he did it to serve others, not for self (a work of God)

the second person can be sinning, because he is doing it to be seen and praised by others of how generous he is (a work of the flesh)

Thats why the law is useless in telling us what all sin is, because the law can not judge the inner self.

According to the letter (law) . Both men fulfilled that aspect of the law

According to the spirit. the one broke Gods command, while the other did not.

 

[Ralph-]

Um, Ever read the sermon on the mount, Jesus showed how the law says one thing, But God demands even more.

Did he say anything that 'love your neighbor as yourself' doesn't cover?

 

[beta]

No, this is not what Jesus said, He said love keeps the law. We can not love perfectly, that is the problem

You people need to learn what real sin is..

SIN is the transgression of God's law/Commandments - that is the biblical explanation...no doubt you will have a better one.

 

[BenFTW]

I think it better serves all of us if we elaborate on how we go about walking in righteousness and holiness, since everyone here desires to. Instead of emphatically stating whether or not we obey the Law, why don't we come in agreement with New Testament scripture that tells us to reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive unto God? To not use our members for instruments of unrighteousness unto sin but use our members for righteousness unto God?

We are not under the Law because if we were we'd be condemned, this is why we are under a New Covenant (of grace). I think people grasp that we are not saved by obedience to the Law. We are saved by grace through faith in the Son of God. The question that remains is this. How does the Christian forsake sin, walking righteously, and be in victory?

I think it begins by understanding who we are in Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

as another poster said, what Jesus gave is actually harder to follow but people seem to love to put them on a flag and ride out under it

thing is, as I posted they fullfill the commandments God gave

God and Jesus are not at variance with each other

the arguing over this never ends and its a sad comment on how people seem to think that God gave one thing and Jesus came along and made it all easier for us

if I could delete one question from the vocabulary of some people, it would be 'have you never broke a commandment? or can you keep all the commandments? and all variations thereof

it's like robot speak already

Thats the problem/

God did not contradict himself.

He did not give the law to tell us what ever sin was, or to show us how to be righteous people. As paul said, He gave the law to lead us to christ.

Gods commands are far greater than the law. Not because he was trying to make it harder, It ALWAYS has been harder. the law is just a basic guide where jesus said here, obey all of these commands, and you will have earned your right to be my children, break one, and youer guilty of all. and under a curse, and guess what, I will send my son to remove that curse for you.

The issue is people trying to force others to obey the law, when no one can, and when people try to say such, they get called loving sin, greasy gracers hyper gracers. living in sinners, lovers of sin, etc etc.

The issue was addressed by paul

1 Timothy 1:7
desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.

This is the issue, and it will continue to be an issue as long as people push law on believers.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

no one can keep the first, have no other Gods before Him? How so please explain your understanding about that.

Are you telling me you have never had an Idol? You never had a habit, you place above God? or habits you struggle with? You were never unsaved?

Idols are not just statues, they can be things, like A tv Show. Sports, Cars, Your yard, Your job. Anyhting you place above all else.