Do We Have To Keep The Law?

[eternally-gratefull]

And do not add words to my statement or change the meaning of it to suite your opinion of what I said either be man enough to ask what I meant or don't say anything about it, I said I can't do anything for you period do not impose your thoughts of that on me. that kind of bull chips is bull chips.

so you can not answer what salvation prophesy still needs fulfilled. You would rather stick to a strawman? not that I thought you would But thank you.

Was I wrong for calling you out and acting the way I did. Sure I was.. but will you admit you made an error and being arrogant by claiming you could not longer help me? I would not expect it.. but maybe you can prove me wrong?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Did you self-righteous pride get bruised, Ralph?

You condemn yourself by trying to work to keep a free gift.

I think by the way he responded to you, he has proven himself only here to cause division and fight.

I think it is about time ralph went back on block.

its ok for him to act childish, but how dare anyone else (hypocrite?)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"The Law" in those verses means God's Law under the authority of Moses- which was done physically- which we are no longer under. Now, under Christ's authority we obey those same laws (such as do not murder) but we do so spiritually. Christ says if you hate your brother you are already guilty of murder (spiritally). So it sounds weird to say we are no longer under the law, but we still must obey God's law.

we still can not obey Gods law.

But should we live in a life in which we live in obedience? Yes

is that found by following law? No

is it found by following CHrists example? (Love) Yes.

Laws are not put in plce to show us how to do something, they are put in place to make the guilty accountable under law. and anyone who breaks them suffers the pnealty (apart from the law no one could be charged wiht a debt if they did the deed)

 

[Redeemed2015]

To all the Law Keepers:

There are 613 Mosaic (OT) Laws.

How many of those are we supposed to obey?

Correct, there are 613 Commandments.
Which include laws of cleanliness, holiness, sacrifice, paternity, marriage, divorce, etc.

Here is the thing no one person can keep all 613, not even the Messiah. Now, does that make the Messiah a sinner, HEAVENS NO! Among the 613 Commandments there are specifications as to which laws apply to which individuals.

For instance there are commandments that only apply to men, some only to women.
There are laws strictly for children, sons, and daughters.
There are laws for Fathers, and laws for mothers.
There are laws strictly for Priests, Kings, Judges, and Elders.
There are Commandments strictly for Farmers.

See, no ONE person can fit into ALL of there categories. So, a King is not breaking the Law(sinning) if he does not keep the commandment given to a Priest. Neither a Father who does not keep a commandment given only given to women. When you really look at the Commandments of G-D and you examine where you fall you see which commandments you are supposed to keep as servant of the Messiah, in Covenant with G-D the Father, an adopted child of G-D, and a wild Olive Branch grafted into the Cultivated Olive Tree of Israel to whom the New Covenant is given.

More or less, on average, each believer is responsible for keeping about 200 Commandments of the 613.
Think that's a lot? There are more traffic laws on the books, alone, in the United States than there are commandments of G-D given to all Covenant believers.

How many are salvational?

Commandments are not salvational. The Law can not and could never bring salvation. To say the commandments grant salvation is to make salvation based on works, which is obviously unattainable just as scripture bears witness. The Law is never meant to be kept FOR salvation, it is kept BECAUSE of Salvation. The Law is not for Salvation. The Law is for Sanctification, being set apart, made holy, and for training in Righteousness.

This is the same redundant accusation that is made to "Law-keepers" that we are somehow trying to "earn" our Salvation. Such is absurd! A total lie! A fabrication forged from the hearts who have misunderstood the writings of Paul, the Message of Scripture, the Power of The Gospel, and the center of the Covenant made with G-D and HIS people.

 

[LPT]

so you can not answer what salvation prophesy still needs fulfilled. You would rather stick to a strawman? not that I thought you would But thank you.

Was I wrong for calling you out and acting the way I did. Sure I was.. but will you admit you made an error and being arrogant by claiming you could not longer help me? I would not expect it.. but maybe you can prove me wrong?

You just can't do it can you, still you got to throw in the (no longer need help) thing which I never said.

the (sure I was) statement you made is heartless and meaningless to you because how you used it again and that is clearly being defiant, you talk about the law of love, how but this o my bust I thought you meant I needed help no your not going to that it ant in you do that.

what I meant about I can longer do anything for you, is I can no longer show by scripture or but what I say that we can meant in the middle some how. that is all I never meant you needed help never. And I don't need a apologizes and anything from you.

 

[Grandpa]

Why do people create deep comprehensions out of a verse that is supposed to read just as it is at face value.

has all the revelations been forfilled, the cross is not the only thing Jesus will forefill do you believe that or no.

and forfilling the law doesn't mean it doesn't apply anymore, Jesus words and Gods words do not contradict each other.

the Ten Commandments are not that hard, the law of love very very hard at times, one poster I ask to tell in his own words how to love and he couldn't do it. that told me a lot. can you tell me in your own words how to love a person who murders. talk is cheap the action of the heart is valuable.

Matthew 5:18 [SUP] [/SUP]

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Deep comprehensions??

Did the Lord Jesus Christ succeed in His Mission or did He fail?

This doesn't seem like real deep comprehensions to me.



You believe He is the fulfillment of sacrificing lambs, otherwise you would still be doing that. I assume you do not.

Where did the Lord say that sacrificing lambs was abolished?


YOUR CARNAL understanding of the 10 commandments is not hard. The real spiritual meaning behind the 10 commandments is extremely difficult for people to fulfill.

But as long as you have a wrong understanding of how easy the law is they can't lead you to Christ. They can't lead you to the end of yourself if you can fulfill them so easily.

If you are not burdened and heavily laden I guess there is no reason to seek Rest from Christ.

Matthew 5:48 [SUP] [/SUP]

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Does that seem pretty easy to you? It doesn't to me.

But a carnal understanding of the 10 commandments is easy. Don't steal. Don't murder. Rest on Saturday. That's pretty easy.


How do you love a murderer? Perfectly. Like our Father in Heaven.

Romans 5:8 [SUP] [/SUP]

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

How does this work out personally? According to the way God has shown us His Love is how we will show love to others who are "undeserving". According to our faith.

And my faith would say that the most beneficial thing for a murderer to have is forgiveness. And that forgiveness is in Christ. And Christ Alone.

That would be the way I would show love to a murderer. Or a thief. Or anyone else who was against Christ. I would show them their need for Him. And then I would explain what He has provided to me in my life.​

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[eternally-gratefull]

Why do people create deep comprehensions out of a verse that is supposed to read just as it is at face value.

has all the revelations been forfilled, the cross is not the only thing Jesus will forefill do you believe that or no.

and forfilling the law doesn't mean it doesn't apply anymore, Jesus words and Gods words do not contradict each other.

the Ten Commandments are not that hard, the law of love very very hard at times, one poster I ask to tell in his own words how to love and he couldn't do it. that told me a lot. can you tell me in your own words how to love a person who murders. talk is cheap the action of the heart is valuable.

again I will ask you, What does Jesus have to fulfill yet that has not done so that I can be saved?

 

[jaybird88]

i must have grown up on another planet, the idea that the law is not meant for Christians is unheard of where i am from. around here you still find folks with the little signs in their front yard with the ten commandments. back when the US was still a Christian nation you had ten commandment monuments in the court squares of towns. i just dont get it.

 

[LPT]

again I will ask you, What does Jesus have to fulfill yet that has not done so that I can be saved?

He finished the salvation path way already, but that doesn't mean the Ten Commandments are null. show me a scripture that Jesus directly says people don't need to obey the law anymore, You are misinterpreting scripture. If you think you can murder 100 times over and ask for forgiveness and you will be A ok your nuts.

what still needs to be done the revs. satan still is running around messing with people, the sun will set on that indeed.

 

[LPT]

i must have grown up on another planet, the idea that the law is not meant for Christians is unheard of where i am from. around here you still find folks with the little signs in their front yard with the ten commandments. back when the US was still a Christian nation you had ten commandment monuments in the court squares of towns. i just dont get it.

Thats refreshing to know,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He finished the salvation path way already, but that doesn't mean the Ten Commandments are null. show me a scripture that Jesus directly says people don't need to obey the law anymore, You are misinterpreting scripture. If you think you can murder 100 times over and ask for forgiveness and you will be A ok your nuts.

what still needs to be done the revs. satan still is running around messing with people, the sun will set on that indeed.

show where i said we can sin all we want, murder anyone we want, commt sexual sin all we want, and lie all we want.

and while your at it, thanks for proving me right, jesus fulfilled the law comletely,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

i must have grown up on another planet, the idea that the law is not meant for Christians is unheard of where i am from. around here you still find folks with the little signs in their front yard with the ten commandments. back when the US was still a Christian nation you had ten commandment monuments in the court squares of towns. i just dont get it.

Lol how righteous did thse signs make people? And how many people came to christ based on those signs?

 

[LPT]

Matthew 5:18

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Deep comprehensions??

Did the Lord Jesus Christ succeed in His Mission or did He fail?

This doesn't seem like real deep comprehensions to me.



You believe He is the fulfillment of sacrificing lambs, otherwise you would still be doing that. I assume you do not.

Where did the Lord say that sacrificing lambs was abolished?


YOUR CARNAL understanding of the 10 commandments is not hard. The real spiritual meaning behind the 10 commandments is extremely difficult for people to fulfill.

But as long as you have a wrong understanding of how easy the law is they can't lead you to Christ. They can't lead you to the end of yourself if you can fulfill them so easily.

If you are not burdened and heavily laden I guess there is no reason to seek Rest from Christ.

Matthew 5:48

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Does that seem pretty easy to you? It doesn't to me.

But a carnal understanding of the 10 commandments is easy. Don't steal. Don't murder. Rest on Saturday. That's pretty easy.


How do you love a murderer? Perfectly. Like our Father in Heaven.

Romans 5:8

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

How does this work out personally? According to the way God has shown us His Love is how we will show love to others who are "undeserving". According to our faith.

And my faith would say that the most beneficial thing for a murderer to have is forgiveness. And that forgiveness is in Christ. And Christ Alone.

That would be the way I would show love to a murderer. Or a thief. Or anyone else who was against Christ. I would show them their need for Him. And then I would explain what He has provided to me in my life.​

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Good post and yes forgiveness is the answer, and if Christ is in you, you also will forgive the murder who killed your family correct?

 

[jaybird88]

Lol how righteous did thse signs make people? And how many people came to christ based on those signs?

i dont think any of us believed a little wooden sign would make us righteous. we put them up because we were proud to obey them.
i would think the majority of those that came to Christ did it by following what those laws teach. lawless people usually want nothing to do with Jesus.

 

[LPT]

show where i said we can sin all we want, murder anyone we want, commt sexual sin all we want, and lie all we want.

and while your at it, thanks for proving me right, jesus fulfilled the law comletely,

You are correct you never said people can murder anyone they want I'm not afraid to lead by example,

again I never even said people can murder anyone they want, I said if a person murders and ask for forgiveness can that still be valid upon a second or third time. boy you have a way of injecting things that you drum up in your head, just like you did with the other poster who never said the sign makes people Rightous you have a wierd way of expressing yourself maybe that is what it is and not just merely twisting words and meanings.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

GOD Is a SPIRIT.Our spirits were made perfect and only GOD can do that.The law was about purifying the outward man but who can purify the Inward man?

 

[Nehemiah6]

i must have grown up on another planet, the idea that the law is not meant for Christians is unheard of where i am from. around here you still find folks with the little signs in their front yard with the ten commandments. back when the US was still a Christian nation you had ten commandment monuments in the court squares of towns. i just dont get it.

Today lawlessness is becoming the norm, so many Christians are starting to believe this.

The Ten Commandments are eternal. They are now incorporated into the Law of Christ.

 

[LPT]

Today lawlessness is becoming the norm, so many Christians are starting to believe this.

The Ten Commandments are eternal. They are now incorporated into the Law of Christ.

This can be debated like it is right now, a person can say just the opposite as well. many Christians are starting believe that Christ abolished the law, forfill yes abolished no. there's no way to say a Christian will remain a Christian until their last breath only God knows that, we can only keep fighting the good fight by keeping both laws.

 

[posthuman]

have y'all ever read the commandments, and considered them as promises?

you shall not covet​

hasn't He promised, and isn't He faithful, to complete the work He began?

♥​

 

[posthuman]

there's no way to say a Christian will remain a Christian until their last breath only God knows that, we can only keep fighting the good fight by keeping both laws.

does a Christian have a "last" breath ?
and if they went out from us, were they every really one of us?

there's 'nominal' Christianity and there's actual Christianity. it may not be an easy thing to tell the difference