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If you have the Soteriology right, you needn't think about the eschatology.
 
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No, Israel is not united as a kingdom yet. They have a plot of land named after them, but Judah is still astray as well as a lost tribe somewhere...

Also the temple is a long ways from being built.
The temple is already built and you don't see it because you're looking in the wrong direction. It's the Dome of the Rock. Did you ever read the inscriptions on its walls? Bet you didn't. Here is a complete listing of those writings. The Arabic Islamic Inscriptions On The Dome Of The Rock In Jerusalem, 72 AH / 692 CE

The East and Northeast wall completely destroy Jesus and His message. Also, it says you must also follow Muhammad. This is blasphemy to the core. The Dome of the Rock totally destroys Christianity and everything God.

Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place.

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains.

Dan 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Dan 12:11 tells you what it is. Dan 9:27 tells you where it is. As to what it is. Long story short. The time the daily sacrifices were taken away was the one in Daniel's time at the beginning of the 70 year Babylonian captivity period. The year was 583 BC when there was nobody left doing sacrifices. If 1290 days are literal days, that would be 3.5 years. Sacrifices were still taken away even during that time. They were still captives under the Babylonian control.

Eze 4:5-6 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

Let's try that. How about 1290 YEARS?

Old testament calendar was different to our current calendar so a quick conversion is required. .9857 X 1290 = 1271.50
1271.5 - 583 = 688 AD. That's the year when the Dome of the Rock was built. Dome of the Rock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia So, you need not look an farther. This is your blasphemy that you are looking for. It goes totally against God and is exactly where it should be.
 
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The temple is already built and you don't see it because you're looking in the wrong direction. It's the Dome of the Rock. Did you ever read the inscriptions on its walls? Bet you didn't. Here is a complete listing of those writings. The Arabic Islamic Inscriptions On The Dome Of The Rock In Jerusalem, 72 AH / 692 CE

The East and Northeast wall completely destroy Jesus and His message. Also, it says you must also follow Muhammad. This is blasphemy to the core. The Dome of the Rock totally destroys Christianity and everything God.

Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place.

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains.

Dan 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Dan 12:11 tells you what it is. Dan 9:27 tells you where it is. As to what it is. Long story short. The time the daily sacrifices were taken away was the one in Daniel's time at the beginning of the 70 year Babylonian captivity period. The year was 583 BC when there was nobody left doing sacrifices. If 1290 days are literal days, that would be 3.5 years. Sacrifices were still taken away even during that time. They were still captives under the Babylonian control.

Eze 4:5-6 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

Let's try that. How about 1290 YEARS?

Old testament calendar was different to our current calendar so a quick conversion is required. .9857 X 1290 = 1271.50
1271.5 - 583 = 688 AD. That's the year when the Dome of the Rock was built. Dome of the Rock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia So, you need not look an farther. This is your blasphemy that you are looking for. It goes totally against God and is exactly where it should be.
just BLEW me... wow.

i love this site.
 
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Some says just because Jews are building the 3rd temple, the end time is near. But archeologist Ernest.L. Martin says Jews are wrong about the spot where the original temple was. They re going to construct a temple in a wrong place.And what Jesus Christ told is not yet fulfilled.

Lk 21:5 . And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
Lk 21:6 [As for] these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Lk 21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign [will there be] when these things shall come to pass?
Lk 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am [Christ]; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.


I don't know much abt the end time prophesies but saw this on his website.

[video=youtube;1nV6znUj0v8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1nV6znUj0v8[/video]
 

john832

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Not even Jesus knows, only God knows. but reading these scriptures and looking at how the world is shaping up, it seems as if that time will happen before you may expect.. "at the blink of an eye".
It will surprise many, but it cannot occur for at least 3-1/2 years. Certain things must happen (the AoD, two witnesses, etc.) that preclude Christ coming before 3-1/2 years.

Very good read you cited.
 

john832

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No, Israel is not united as a kingdom yet. They have a plot of land named after them, but Judah is still astray as well as a lost tribe somewhere...

Also the temple is a long ways from being built.
The reunification of Israel and Judah does not occur until AFTER the return of Christ...

Eze 37:15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
Eze 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
Eze 37:20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
Eze 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

David is dead and buried at the moment...

Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

And will not live again until the return of Christ...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
 

john832

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The temple is already built and you don't see it because you're looking in the wrong direction. It's the Dome of the Rock. Did you ever read the inscriptions on its walls? Bet you didn't. Here is a complete listing of those writings. The Arabic Islamic Inscriptions On The Dome Of The Rock In Jerusalem, 72 AH / 692 CE

The East and Northeast wall completely destroy Jesus and His message. Also, it says you must also follow Muhammad. This is blasphemy to the core. The Dome of the Rock totally destroys Christianity and everything God.

Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place.

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains.

Dan 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Dan 12:11 tells you what it is. Dan 9:27 tells you where it is. As to what it is. Long story short. The time the daily sacrifices were taken away was the one in Daniel's time at the beginning of the 70 year Babylonian captivity period. The year was 583 BC when there was nobody left doing sacrifices. If 1290 days are literal days, that would be 3.5 years. Sacrifices were still taken away even during that time. They were still captives under the Babylonian control.

Eze 4:5-6 For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel.And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.

Let's try that. How about 1290 YEARS?

Old testament calendar was different to our current calendar so a quick conversion is required. .9857 X 1290 = 1271.50
1271.5 - 583 = 688 AD. That's the year when the Dome of the Rock was built. Dome of the Rock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia So, you need not look an farther. This is your blasphemy that you are looking for. It goes totally against God and is exactly where it should be.
Naw. The daily sacrifice was stopped in type but not the way you say...

Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

The type was Antichus IV Epiphanes 168BC and the cleansing of the Temple occurred 1150 literal days (2300 evenings and mornings) later by Judah (the Hammer) Macabbees (165BC). Christ spoke of this in the Olivet prophecy, but notice the context...

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

The word for world here is aion and means the end of the age. The disciples ask two questions here, the sign of Christ's coming and also the end of the age. Christ gave one distinct, yet inegmatic sign...

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Notice this is not looking back but rather future tense.

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The Great Tribulation, the time of Jacob's Trouble.

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

This became possible in the early 1950's when the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. had accumulated enough WMD's to kill all life off the earth, in fact, to kill all life on earth about 55 times over.

A Temple does not have to be built...

1Ch 21:13 And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let me fall now into the hand of the LORD; for very great are his mercies: but let me not fall into the hand of man.
1Ch 21:14 So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men.
1Ch 21:15 And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.

1Ch 21:21 And as David came to Ornan, Ornan looked and saw David, and went out of the threshingfloor, and bowed himself to David with his face to the ground.
1Ch 21:22 Then David said to Ornan, Grant me the place of this threshingfloor, that I may build an altar therein unto the LORD: thou shalt grant it me for the full price: that the plague may be stayed from the people.
1Ch 21:23 And Ornan said unto David, Take it to thee, and let my lord the king do that which is good in his eyes: lo, I give thee the oxen also for burnt offerings, and the threshing instruments for wood, and the wheat for the meat offering; I give it all.
1Ch 21:24 And king David said to Ornan, Nay; but I will verily buy it for the full price: for I will not take that which is thine for the LORD, nor offer burnt offerings without cost.
1Ch 21:25 So David gave to Ornan for the place six hundred shekels of gold by weight.
1Ch 21:26 And David built there an altar unto the LORD, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings, and called upon the LORD; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt offering.

1Ch 21:27 And the LORD commanded the angel; and he put up his sword again into the sheath thereof.
1Ch 21:28 At that time when David saw that the LORD had answered him in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite, then he sacrificed there.

1Ch 22:1 Then David said, This is the house of the LORD God, and this is the altar of the burnt offering for Israel.

And not one stone had been laid yet. Can sacrifices begin without a Temple? Yes they can. Am I saying a Temple won't be built? No I am not. What I am saying is that something could happen in the Mid-East and the Jews there could turn to God in the only way they know and begin sacrificing again on the Temple Mount. This could bring about such conditions that a great religious figure (know as the False Prophet) could come to Jerusalem, backed by an army from Europe to bring peace to the region and the world. Then, look out, the AoD is about to be set up.
 
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This is the generation of the fig tree. That generation started in 1948 when Israel became a nation in the Middle East.

Christ said, That generation Will witness everything that He said would and must happen in Mark 13, Luke 21 Matthew 24 Revelation, 2 Thess 2 and 1 Thess 4. etc..

For a okay study about this Parable that Christ said, you Must learn it. Then study and watch this carefully .

Just Thoughts - Parable of the Fig Tree Full Version.wmv - YouTube


There is one more study I recommend if you want that one, then message me. I would.
 
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As I read this is what I see.

I see all of these prophecies have either come to pass or are set to come to pass. Some of which could only happen at the end times, like the rebirth of Israel. As far as the goat coming from the far west and not touching the ground I do not agree with the link that says that was alexander the great. I am sure most if not all scholars believe that. People may say that I am such a vain American as to believe that the U.S of A would be written of in biblical prophecy but in many places as I read the prophecies in context with the time we live I see the U.S. and it's allies. (Mystery Babylon the great.) whose fornications and atrocious behaviors have stretched from her many waters and corrupted the world. "The American Dream." Wealth, fame, sexual freedom, power, respect."

I am aware people have many other opinions and reasons for what they believe. This is simply what I see.

seek and you shall find. "search each prophecy you can and read it for yourself." Look at it in context for this time. In the last days. The context of now. What do you see?
 
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It will surprise many, but it cannot occur for at least 3-1/2 years. Certain things must happen (the AoD, two witnesses, etc.) that preclude Christ coming before 3-1/2 years.

Very good read you cited.
What 3 1/2 years? The A of D IS the Dome of the Rock. See my last post on this thread. Two witnesses? Do you have any idea who the two witnesses are and support it Scripturally? I'd like to hear your take on this. Not what you think it is but rather what you know it is and back it up with some kind of evidence.
 
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Every generation of Christians thinks that they live in "the end times", and they've all been wrong. From a purely statistical standpoint, the probability is extremely low. I'm not saying that ought not to hope, but I would suggest that you be rational.
 
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Naw. The daily sacrifice was stopped in type but not the way you say...

Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

The type was Antichus IV Epiphanes 168BC and the cleansing of the Temple occurred 1150 literal days (2300 evenings and mornings) later by Judah (the Hammer) Macabbees (165BC). Christ spoke of this in the Olivet prophecy, but notice the context...

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

The word for world here is aion and means the end of the age. The disciples ask two questions here, the sign of Christ's coming and also the end of the age. Christ gave one distinct, yet inegmatic sign...

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Notice this is not looking back but rather future tense.

Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The Great Tribulation, the time of Jacob's Trouble.

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

This became possible in the early 1950's when the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. had accumulated enough WMD's to kill all life off the earth, in fact, to kill all life on earth about 55 times over.

A Temple does not have to be built...

1Ch 21:13 And David said unto Gad, I am in a great strait: let me fall now into the hand of the LORD; for very great are his mercies: but let me not fall into the hand of man.
1Ch 21:14 So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men.
1Ch 21:15 And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.

1Ch 21:21 And as David came to Ornan, Ornan looked and saw David, and went out of the threshingfloor, and bowed himself to David with his face to the ground.
1Ch 21:22 Then David said to Ornan, Grant me the place of this threshingfloor, that I may build an altar therein unto the LORD: thou shalt grant it me for the full price: that the plague may be stayed from the people.
1Ch 21:23 And Ornan said unto David, Take it to thee, and let my lord the king do that which is good in his eyes: lo, I give thee the oxen also for burnt offerings, and the threshing instruments for wood, and the wheat for the meat offering; I give it all.
1Ch 21:24 And king David said to Ornan, Nay; but I will verily buy it for the full price: for I will not take that which is thine for the LORD, nor offer burnt offerings without cost.
1Ch 21:25 So David gave to Ornan for the place six hundred shekels of gold by weight.
1Ch 21:26 And David built there an altar unto the LORD, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings, and called upon the LORD; and he answered him from heaven by fire upon the altar of burnt offering.

1Ch 21:27 And the LORD commanded the angel; and he put up his sword again into the sheath thereof.
1Ch 21:28 At that time when David saw that the LORD had answered him in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite, then he sacrificed there.

1Ch 22:1 Then David said, This is the house of the LORD God, and this is the altar of the burnt offering for Israel.

And not one stone had been laid yet. Can sacrifices begin without a Temple? Yes they can. Am I saying a Temple won't be built? No I am not. What I am saying is that something could happen in the Mid-East and the Jews there could turn to God in the only way they know and begin sacrificing again on the Temple Mount. This could bring about such conditions that a great religious figure (know as the False Prophet) could come to Jerusalem, backed by an army from Europe to bring peace to the region and the world. Then, look out, the AoD is about to be set up.
I got it right. I just shortened the explanation. Yes, the abomination of desolation is future tense at the time of the writing or better yet, future tense of the speaker speaking! To find out what it is, you need to look back at Daniel's time for that is what Jesus instructed you to do.
 
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Yes He will return in this generation! No man knows the day or hour, BUT we are to know the season! In Mark 13:28-30, Jesus said, "[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now learn a lesson from the fig tree: as soon as its branch becomes tender and it puts forth its leaves, you recognize and know that summer is near.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]So also, when you see these things happening, you may recognize and know that He is near, at [the very] door.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Surely I say to you, this generation (the whole multitude of people living at that one time) positively will not perish or pass away before all these things take place."

...unless of course, the Words of Jesus mean nothing to you. Well if that's the case....good luck!
 
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Every generation of Christians thinks that they live in "the end times", and they've all been wrong. From a purely statistical standpoint, the probability is extremely low. I'm not saying that ought not to hope, but I would suggest that you be rational.
Oh, but I am rational. We are definitely in the end times.
 
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Yes , we will .
 
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This is the last gen. in which all these things will be fulfilled and Jesus will come back . With Jesus' 2nd, coming the 70 wks of Daniel will be fulfilled and Israel will be saved as a nation. Jesus; 2nd. coming will fulfill Israel's Day of Atonement. Then Israel's glory day will follow; the saved Jews and us Gentiles, THE CHURCH, will rule the world with Jesus for 1,000yrs. Love to Hoffco
 
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This is the last gen. in which all these things will be fulfilled and Jesus will come back .
How many years will have to pass without this happening before you will admit that you are wrong?

I don't believe that Jesus will come back in my lifetime or the lifetime of my children.
 

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i always felt the way the world has been coming to that we will see His return with all the evil in the world and how commonly accepted it has become, but i just stumbled across this nice article about 7 prophecies that must be fulfilled before His return and found it interesting and informative. kind of a long read but worth it.

http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/seven-prophecies-must-be-fulfilled-jesus-christs-return



anyway, what do you think and why.

Have not read the article just yet. But I do believe that this generation will see the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Of course the rapture of the Body of Christ is going to take place first. And I believe that the rapture is very, very close. It is right at the door.