DOES GOD CHOOSE, OR DOES MAN CHOOSE?
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This saying has been repeated over and over again to support unconditional election. But it has absolutely nothing to do with that. Christ did choose His apostles, and He did choose Paul also. God chose Jacob over Esau and David over Saul. But these decisions had nothing to do with choosing some for salvation and others for damnation.
11-4 with God chose leading.
It's scary to think 4 actually think they elected(chose) themselves.
It's scary to think 4 actually think they elected(chose) themselves.
Hell is shown as a living tribulation . The dead that have no spirit, and no incorruptible body have no way to work to suffer that which has returned to the dust. and temporal spirit returned to the father..
Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
As many as the father has given to the Son will come. If God not seen, does not first give us His understanding. How could we seek after him that has no form? He must do the first work giving us His hearing of faith. By it we have received our first love "hearing God" not seen and therefore believing Him as his faith works in us to both will and do His good pleasure..
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.Rom 3:11
We are not saved by a faith which scripture calls "no faith" (dead in trespasses and sin) coming from the imagination of our own hearts as in natural man. But are saved by the faith of Christ.
If we would have that exclusive faith in respect to our own self (the imagination of our heart) then we have blasphemed the holy name by which we are called heavenward
What if some believe not? Will it make the faith of God in respect to His labor of love without effect?
For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged Rom 3:3
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
A person must be born again from above. (not after the imaginations of ones heart as a source of faith ). That would be to cause of the flood, not salvation.
Gen 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
As many as the father has given to the Son will come. If God not seen, does not first give us His understanding. How could we seek after him that has no form? He must do the first work giving us His hearing of faith. By it we have received our first love "hearing God" not seen and therefore believing Him as his faith works in us to both will and do His good pleasure..
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.Rom 3:11
We are not saved by a faith which scripture calls "no faith" (dead in trespasses and sin) coming from the imagination of our own hearts as in natural man. But are saved by the faith of Christ.
If we would have that exclusive faith in respect to our own self (the imagination of our heart) then we have blasphemed the holy name by which we are called heavenward
What if some believe not? Will it make the faith of God in respect to His labor of love without effect?
For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged Rom 3:3
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
A person must be born again from above. (not after the imaginations of ones heart as a source of faith ). That would be to cause of the flood, not salvation.
Gen 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
It's not fair for God to choose us! Therefore God left it up to man who is dead in sin, whose flesh profits nothing in salvation and who are unable to come to him at all to do it themselves!!!! So there!
It's not fair for God to choose us! Therefore God left it up to man who is dead in sin, whose flesh profits nothing in salvation and who are unable to come to him at all to do it themselves!!!! So there!
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
There is no good thing in our flesh but we are able to show love toward one another despite our corrupted nature.
Remember Cain was presented a sin offering by God yet he chose not to accept it.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Yes as many as he elected to create as new creatures .He in effect said let there be, and we are. Their names were written in the lambs book of life from the very foundation of the world . They will come and he will in no wise cast them out.
It is he that gives favor
As always our first love does the first works working in us to both will and do His good pleasure (imputed righteousness .
It has to do with looking with favor or grace. He applied no grace as a favor to Cain but did apply the fullness of His grace to Abel.
And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lordlooked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast. Genesis 4
The work of favor he began in Abel he finished. It took away Cain’s confidence of walking by sight and he killed the mis-perceived competition as if we did walk after decisions of the flesh , and not by faith, the unseen working of God
Phi 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
It is he that gives favor
As always our first love does the first works working in us to both will and do His good pleasure (imputed righteousness .
It has to do with looking with favor or grace. He applied no grace as a favor to Cain but did apply the fullness of His grace to Abel.
And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lordlooked with favor on Abel and his offering, 5 but on Cain and his offering he did not look with favor. So Cain was very angry, and his face was downcast. Genesis 4
The work of favor he began in Abel he finished. It took away Cain’s confidence of walking by sight and he killed the mis-perceived competition as if we did walk after decisions of the flesh , and not by faith, the unseen working of God
Phi 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Only a foolish man would tempt God.
Scripture attests to the goodness of God.
Salvation is by grace and not by merit. Each man is personally responsible to God for his sin. God does not choose for nor does God compel man to sin. Those who have come under the conviction of the Holy Spirit know they must choose for the Holy Spirit makes the choice and it's consequences clear. John 16:8-11. To deny personal responsibility for sin is to deny the essence of grace.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Scripture attests to the goodness of God.
Salvation is by grace and not by merit. Each man is personally responsible to God for his sin. God does not choose for nor does God compel man to sin. Those who have come under the conviction of the Holy Spirit know they must choose for the Holy Spirit makes the choice and it's consequences clear. John 16:8-11. To deny personal responsibility for sin is to deny the essence of grace.
For the cause of Christ
Roger