Coby, you love your husband, your children and your perfect life more than you could ever have imagined. Then one day you come home early and find your spouse in bed with another woman and you respond in your hurt and rage by killing them both, then walk outside and get pancaked by a bus and die. Are you, a lifelong believer in Jesus whom you love very much, saved even though you just murdered two people?
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Coby, you love your husband, your children and your perfect life more than you could ever have imagined. Then one day you come home early and find your spouse in bed with another woman and you respond in your hurt and rage by killing them both, then walk outside and get pancaked by a bus and die. Are you, a lifelong believer in Jesus whom you love very much, saved even though you just murdered two people?
P
John 12:48 "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."
Let me ask you this one simple question. Where did Paul get his words? Where? Look it up, 'cause you certainly don't know. Try starting Galatians 1:1.
Who told Paul what to tell the gentile? Go ahead, shoot the messenger, you foolish person. It will never change the message.
Get off the computer and open your bible. Strive for heaven.
Ah the poor ignorant people with uncircumised ears, eyes, and hearts.
Son, you better forget whatever kind of problem you have with me and ask yourself; "Is Phil right? Is it bible?"
That is the only question you need be concerned with.
Let me ask you this one simple question. Where did Paul get his words? Where? Look it up, 'cause you certainly don't know. Try starting Galatians 1:1.
Who told Paul what to tell the gentile? Go ahead, shoot the messenger, you foolish person. It will never change the message.
Get off the computer and open your bible. Strive for heaven.
Ah the poor ignorant people with uncircumised ears, eyes, and hearts.
Son, you better forget whatever kind of problem you have with me and ask yourself; "Is Phil right? Is it bible?"
That is the only question you need be concerned with.
P
Aaaahhhh. Finally someone came with it.
Maybe I wasn't really saved. Maybe I just thought I was. Maybe I wanted to be so bad I just fooled people. Yeah, that's it. That's the ticket.
Because God works miracles for sinners all the time. Because altho you might think I'm saved now, maybe I am just lying about back then. Maybe I just didn't know what being saved really was, and now that I do know I'm too ashamed to admit I wasn't then.
Angela, you must of went thru this kind of argument against me having salvation before in your mind.
Really? REALLY?
I don't know. Man alive, I'm just going to take a break. Words fail me, and if try to force some, they might not be pleasant. So I'll just take a break.
Every single one of you people that took offense at my position, took it out on me. Not one of you did, can, or will refute my words because I brought scripture to the table. Think about that while you're poor-mouthing me to each other in my absence.
Maybe I wasn't really saved. Maybe I just thought I was. Maybe I wanted to be so bad I just fooled people. Yeah, that's it. That's the ticket.
Because God works miracles for sinners all the time. Because altho you might think I'm saved now, maybe I am just lying about back then. Maybe I just didn't know what being saved really was, and now that I do know I'm too ashamed to admit I wasn't then.
Angela, you must of went thru this kind of argument against me having salvation before in your mind.
Really? REALLY?
I don't know. Man alive, I'm just going to take a break. Words fail me, and if try to force some, they might not be pleasant. So I'll just take a break.
Every single one of you people that took offense at my position, took it out on me. Not one of you did, can, or will refute my words because I brought scripture to the table. Think about that while you're poor-mouthing me to each other in my absence.
With respect to the OP, how can God ever break His word? If He did, he is not God, not in the sense we know Him as God. I won't quote them, because I am to lazy to look it up, but how many times in the bible does it say God jealousy performs His word? That we can stand on His word? Is God a man, that He should lie?
F
There is no "beauty" in it at all. It is the brain-child of one man, Adolph E. Knoch, a heretic who denied the diety of Christ...and in his version of the "bible" that you think is beautiful, he calls the Logos an "it". Claiming that since the Word could not be a person before incarnation, neither could "it" be after.
His heretical teachings are readily available on your "beautiful translations" publishers website. HERE
His heretical teachings are readily available on your "beautiful translations" publishers website. HERE
Who's rejecting Jesus here? Certainly not I. Try again, Pops. You're the one who doubts God's promises. You're the one wiping rear ends with Jesus' Name, doubting His Majestic Omnipotence over life and death. You're the one around here who thinks he's more powerful than Jesus otherwise you wouldn't suffer such shortsightedness regarding the power of being saved by grace. You're a stumbling block; a very real hindrance against new Christians still learning the magnitude of their salvation in Jesus Christ. Whoa to you!
I never called it beautiful. I called it accurate. It has a high degree of accuracy. That's what I like.
An example of using multiple English words to translate one Greek word is Romans 5:10-11, in which the Greek word καταλλαγή is translated as reconciled and atonement (instead of reconciliation). This type of inconsistency just causes confusion. The Concordant method translation eliminated this as much as possible.
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. Romans 5:10-11
The Concordant Version is an English translation of the Bible compiled by the Concordant Publishing Concern (CPC), which was founded by Adolph Ernst Knoch in 1909.[1] The principal works of the CPC are the Concordant Literal New Testament with Keyword Concordance ("CLNT") and the Concordant Version of the Old Testament ("CVOT"). A. E. Knoch designed the Concordant Version in such a way as to put the English reader who lacks a formal knowledge of Koine Greek in possession of all the vital facts of the most ancient codices: Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, and Codex Alexandrinus. The CPC's efforts yielded a restored Greek text, titled The Concordant Greek Text, containing all of the important variant readings found in the codices mentioned above. This was done with the intent of conforming, as far as possible, to the original autograph manuscripts. An utterly consistent hyper-literal sub-linear based upon a standard English equivalent for each Greek element is to be found beneath each Greek word. The Concordant Greek Text forms the basis of the Concordant Literal New Testament, which is more idiomatic in its English than the hyper-literal sublinear. The Concordant Literal New Testament and the Concordant Greek Text are linked together and correlated for the English reader by means of an English concordance—the Keyword Concordance—and a complementary list of the Greek elements.[2]
With the use of the Concordant method of translation the CPC endeavored to recognize the importance of the vocabulary of Scripture, keeping distinct the words used in the original languages by giving each Greek word—as far as is possible—its own unique and consistent English equivalent. While acknowledging that absolute consistency cannot be achieved in the making of an idiomatic English version, the introduction to the Sixth edition of the Concordant Literal New Testament states that the CLNT, by being harmonious with the original texts, keeps to a minimum the confusion resulting from translating different Greek words with the same English word, or one Greek word with many English words.
With the use of the Concordant method of translation the CPC endeavored to recognize the importance of the vocabulary of Scripture, keeping distinct the words used in the original languages by giving each Greek word—as far as is possible—its own unique and consistent English equivalent. While acknowledging that absolute consistency cannot be achieved in the making of an idiomatic English version, the introduction to the Sixth edition of the Concordant Literal New Testament states that the CLNT, by being harmonious with the original texts, keeps to a minimum the confusion resulting from translating different Greek words with the same English word, or one Greek word with many English words.
An example of using multiple English words to translate one Greek word is Romans 5:10-11, in which the Greek word καταλλαγή is translated as reconciled and atonement (instead of reconciliation). This type of inconsistency just causes confusion. The Concordant method translation eliminated this as much as possible.
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. Romans 5:10-11
These verses speak mostly about repenting of sin committed. When we quit repenting of sin:
Hebrews 10:26-27 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, [SUP]27 [/SUP]but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY of a fire which will consume the adversaries.
And..... just so you don't twist this verse.....
Receiving -
Greek Strong's Number: 2983
Greek Word: λαμβάνω
Transliteration: lambanō
Phonetic Pronunciation:
lam-ban'-o
Root: a prolonged form of a primary verb, which is use only as an alternate in certain tenses
Cross Reference: TDNT - 4:5,495
Part of Speech: v
Vine's Words: Accept, Accepted, Acceptable, Catch, Find, Found, Obtain, Obtaining, Receive, Receiving, Take
Usage Notes:
English Words used in KJV:
receive 133
take 106
have 3
catch 3
not tr 1
miscellaneous translations 17
[Total Count: 263]
a prolonged form of a primary verb, which is used only as an alternate in certain tenses; to take (in very many applications, literal and figurative [properly object or active, to get hold of; whereas <G1209> (dechomai) is rather subject or passive, to have offered to one; wlmle <G138> (haireomai) is more violent, to seize or remove]) :- accept, + be amazed, assay, attain, bring, × when I call, catch, come on (× unto), + forget, have, hold, obtain, receive (× after), take (away, up).
Very plain..... if a christian who has truly RECEIVED Christ begins to sin willfully without repentance, the sacrifice of Christ is annulled for the christian. THIS is why your false doctrine is so dangerous. Their salvation cannot be renewed or returned.
Hebrews 10:26-27 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, [SUP]27 [/SUP]but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY of a fire which will consume the adversaries.
And..... just so you don't twist this verse.....
Receiving -
Greek Strong's Number: 2983
Greek Word: λαμβάνω
Transliteration: lambanō
Phonetic Pronunciation:
Root: a prolonged form of a primary verb, which is use only as an alternate in certain tenses
Cross Reference: TDNT - 4:5,495
Part of Speech: v
Vine's Words: Accept, Accepted, Acceptable, Catch, Find, Found, Obtain, Obtaining, Receive, Receiving, Take
Usage Notes:
English Words used in KJV:
receive 133
take 106
have 3
catch 3
not tr 1
miscellaneous translations 17
[Total Count: 263]
a prolonged form of a primary verb, which is used only as an alternate in certain tenses; to take (in very many applications, literal and figurative [properly object or active, to get hold of; whereas <G1209> (dechomai) is rather subject or passive, to have offered to one; wlmle <G138> (haireomai) is more violent, to seize or remove]) :- accept, + be amazed, assay, attain, bring, × when I call, catch, come on (× unto), + forget, have, hold, obtain, receive (× after), take (away, up).
Very plain..... if a christian who has truly RECEIVED Christ begins to sin willfully without repentance, the sacrifice of Christ is annulled for the christian. THIS is why your false doctrine is so dangerous. Their salvation cannot be renewed or returned.
What I was "calling" was me not being the judge. I cannot say if you were saved before or after your bottoming out. But if you were truly saved before you hit the bottle so hard, then you were saved while you were hitting the bottle.
And you want Scripture verses supporting eternal security? Well, there must be 20 or 30 threads I have posted endless Scriptures on the topic of eternal security. Feel free to look them up. I thought you were asking a personal question on here, as it pertained to your "back sliding."
From a pastoral perspective, I will repeat again that you have not forgiven yourself about what you did. I said you were in fact "horrified" at what you did. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong!
God has forgiven you, if you have asked and repented. But forgiving yourself can be much more difficult!
And you want Scripture verses supporting eternal security? Well, there must be 20 or 30 threads I have posted endless Scriptures on the topic of eternal security. Feel free to look them up. I thought you were asking a personal question on here, as it pertained to your "back sliding."
From a pastoral perspective, I will repeat again that you have not forgiven yourself about what you did. I said you were in fact "horrified" at what you did. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong!
God has forgiven you, if you have asked and repented. But forgiving yourself can be much more difficult!
C
I tried to slam my ex when he took my kids and chatted with another woman. Impossible, he knows how to protect himself. He did Thai boxing for years and I just wouldn't shoot them.
He wanted to shoot his ex who cheated on him when he wasn't saved. Then God said: You can do that and go to jail or you can follow Me. That's when he got saved.
No I would not be saved unless I repented just in time.
I saw the message on his computer where he was chatting with her again. Got the wrong pills, so in an outburst of insanity I went outside, took all pills, bought licor, went to the side of a ditch, took the whole bunch and wanted to kill myself, but was so smart to pray the sinner's prayer because I didn't want to go to hell. Then I met God. He said if I took the rest and didn't call for help I would not go to heaven and be a hypocrit. So I listened. I later fell from my faith because I utterly hated him and her even more and because you can't trust those christians I lived in sin with an atheist. Thankfully I had a praying mom.
He wanted to shoot his ex who cheated on him when he wasn't saved. Then God said: You can do that and go to jail or you can follow Me. That's when he got saved.
No I would not be saved unless I repented just in time.
I saw the message on his computer where he was chatting with her again. Got the wrong pills, so in an outburst of insanity I went outside, took all pills, bought licor, went to the side of a ditch, took the whole bunch and wanted to kill myself, but was so smart to pray the sinner's prayer because I didn't want to go to hell. Then I met God. He said if I took the rest and didn't call for help I would not go to heaven and be a hypocrit. So I listened. I later fell from my faith because I utterly hated him and her even more and because you can't trust those christians I lived in sin with an atheist. Thankfully I had a praying mom.
Hebrews chapter 10 is a beautiful scripture. The only sin talked about in Hebrews before chapter 10 is the sin of unbelief. This chapter is talking about those un-believing Jews that has "received" the knowledge that Jesus is the only sacrifice for sins now and to go back to rely on the temple system of sacrifices - there is no more sacrifice for sins.
Remember context is everything..if you take a "text" out of context..that text will "con" you..
[video=youtube;yrc5EOpokSc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrc5EOpokSc[/video]
Remember context is everything..if you take a "text" out of context..that text will "con" you..
[video=youtube;yrc5EOpokSc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrc5EOpokSc[/video]
C
That didn't happen immediately. I was first on fire, testifying to everyone in the mental hospital and I prayed for people and others who wanted to commit suicide didn't do it and then the devil sent this sweet nice guy telling me he liked me the way I was and he wanted Jesus if he got me with it and in this Godless environment people told me I had a Biblical reason because my ex chatted. We couldn't marry because I wasn't legally divorced, so I thought God was okay with us living together and saw it as marriage and absolutely noone, not even a pastor I called told me it was sin and noone warned me with hell. Year later when he didn't want to marry I saw I had been mislead by sin and I first tried to forgive my ex but I was full of hate when he took my kids and because God didn't give them back after a while I didn't believe He existed anymore, not very long, but I came to that point.
The evil that was inside just came out and it took a while before I really converted.
The evil that was inside just came out and it took a while before I really converted.
