Does the Bible claim to be inerrant?

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Lucy-Pevensie

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For everyone on this thread:

Okay - lets get down to the nitty gritty....

If you were trapped on a desert island, and could have but one translation of the Bible, which one would it be?

Me: KJV

P.S. You don't have to put why.
Why don't you make a thread with a multiple choice vote? T'would be int'resting to seeth the results.
 
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For everyone on this thread:

Okay - lets get down to the nitty gritty....

If you were trapped on a desert island, and could have but one translation of the Bible, which one would it be?

Me: KJV

P.S. You don't have to put why.
NLT. He hasn't been able to not teach me from it. Ive found a place or two where the translation could have been better or more succinct but I'm fond of it because its what He gave me and taught me from. :)
And as for the few places where I think the translation of a word might be better, scholars have helped as knowledge increases, just as we were told it would.

And even the loose translation of a word or two has not led me into any great error. :)
 

trofimus

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For everyone on this thread:

Okay - lets get down to the nitty gritty....

If you were trapped on a desert island, and could have but one translation of the Bible, which one would it be?

Me: KJV

P.S. You don't have to put why.
For the NT, it would be probably UBS Reader´s edition.

For the OT, some good translation of Septuagint.
 
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1. 72 vs 70
I agree that 70 is the right number. But you cannot blame some new translations to translate it as 72, when many Greek manuscripts have 72. Again, its not some kind of "new age Bibles conspiracy", but just a textual choice problem.

2. Micah 5:2 has in Hebrew what NIV, ESV etc say. So you cannot blame the NIV or ESV for translating the Hebrew masoretic text correctly, can you? Rather you can blame the KJV translators of changing the OT text to be more "Christian".

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And neither of above "problems" make Jesus a false Christ. If Jesus was sent by Father to bear our sins, the number of disciples sent to Israel does not change that.
So where did you see that original Hebrew? :)
You have faith that the copies of copies of copies are inerrant.

Question, do you think the Holy Spirit actually moved Micah to write that Jesus had an origin? Or is it possible that the copy of copies of copies could incorrect?

Also are you aware that there is a conspiracy in the bible where Satan appears as an angel of light to decieve people?

12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Do you think it's coincidnental or conspiratorial that somebody wants 72, a christ with an origin or a christ that is "a son of the gods"?

I wonder if Marlilyn Furguson was right when she clamed that Christian churches would be preaching the new age gospel to prepare the way for the cosmic christ.... Probably just a coincidence lol... no conspiracy here.
 

trofimus

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So where did you see that original Hebrew? :)
You have faith that the copies of copies of copies are inerrant.

Question, do you think the Holy Spirit actually moved Micah to write that Jesus had an origin? Or is it possible that the copy of copies of copies could incorrect?

Also are you aware that there is a conspiracy in the bible where Satan appears as an angel of light to decieve people?

12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Do you think it's coincidnental or conspiratorial that somebody wants 72, a christ with an origin or a christ that is "a son of the gods"?

I wonder if Marlilyn Furguson was right when she clamed that Christian churches would be preaching the new age gospel to prepare the way for the cosmic christ.... Probably just a coincidence lol... no conspiracy here.
I never said that the text used by the KJV or NIV or ESV translators is "original". I do not trust the masoretic text to be authentic.
But you cannot blame the NIV or ESV for translating the underlying text properly. You can blame them for selecting a wrong text, yes. But its the same text KJV selected, too.

I do not have a faith that copies of copies are inerrant. Thats why I do not believe any translation (made from this copies) can be inerrant.

Question about Micah - I believe that Son is from Father (logically). And that it is an everlasting reality as also ancient Christian creeds say.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Its probably impossible to create a poll with all possible choices...
Right, it could only be a selection of the most well-known English translations. There would have to be an 'other' option for anyone who reads a translation not on the list.

It would likely disintegrate into another KJVO argument thread anyway so it's probably pointless.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I never said that the text used by the KJV or NIV or ESV translators is "original". I do not trust the masoretic text to be authentic.
But you cannot blame the NIV or ESV for translating the underlying text properly. You can blame them for selecting a wrong text, yes. But its the same text KJV selected, too.

I do not have a faith that copies of copies are inerrant. Thats why I do not believe any translation (made from this copies) can be inerrant.

Question about Micah - I believe that Son is from Father (logically). And that it is an everlasting reality as also ancient Christian creeds say.

You can't win this argument you see because the KJV has magical properties and is more accurate than even the original manuscripts ;)
 
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Because I am reading what Bible says not what I want it to say.

Many of you just have some faith you brought from various backgrounds like "there is no inconsistency" and try to justify everything to fit this faith.

I am looking for truth, whatever it will be like. I am not afraid of it. My salvation is not based on a perfect Bible.
Bogus! Tell me you learned English with just one version of a textbook. Tell me the first time you ever saw the English word "run" you completely understood the definition and the complexity of the word. No! It is a complicated word from a complicated language, so you had to spend time pursuing what it meant before you got it's the same word, and yet had several meanings. And yet, here you are trying to convince us that because the one and only Bible version you use has to be the only possible translation. (And I do get it is not the KJV, and really not any of the typical translations people in English-speaking countries use, so don't go down that bunny hole again.)

You know better than this. Here's the rub. You're not the only one who knows better than this, so all you're doing now is proving how perfect you are, and guess what. No one, absolutely no one, is buying it. AND it's making you look foolish.

You looking foolish doesn't bother me. Your choice if you like looking foolish, but there is one serious problem here. Because you are taking all this time to look foolish, it has a negative side effect. Anyone can be checking out this site at any given moment. They can even find this thread 20 years from now. And, if they don't yet believe in the Lord, what you've done is to promote another bunny-hole reason to add to their excuse list of what's wrong with God.

Nothing wrong with God. Something wrong with you, given the most important thing you are concerned about now is "I am right. Everyone else is wrong, even if I don't listen to what they're saying."

Truth? You're not looking for truth. You're looking for validation. After all this whole site is supposed to be about the one thing we're supposed to agree on -- God. And here you are not looking for him, but looking for "truth," a truth that is NOT there. Your truth = I am right. You are wrong.

That's NOT truth!
 
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You can't win this argument you see because the KJV has magical properties and is more accurate than even the original manuscripts ;)
The problem is there is no such thing as the original manuscripts, they don't exist any more.
 
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I never said that the text used by the KJV or NIV or ESV translators is "original". I do not trust the masoretic text to be authentic.
But you cannot blame the NIV or ESV for translating the underlying text properly. You can blame them for selecting a wrong text, yes. But its the same text KJV selected, too.

I do not have a faith that copies of copies are inerrant. Thats why I do not believe any translation (made from this copies) can be inerrant.

Question about Micah - I believe that Son is from Father (logically). And that it is an everlasting reality as also ancient Christian creeds say.
I believe the physical body of Christ came out of God but the eternal being Christ had no origin.
 

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Bogus! Tell me you learned English with just one version of a textbook.

All I needed was Dick And Jane! :p

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The problem is there is no such thing as the original manuscripts, they don't exist any more.
I believe there is a reason for it. God does not want us to make idols. Not even from Scriptures.
 
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I do not think that Vatican used the KJV. Maybe "horns" are in Vulgate, too?
Actually, that one isn't an error. The original used the word "horns" (in ancient Hebrew) like English uses the word "rays." When we draw pictures of the sun and put Vs around it to show it is shining, don't Vs look like the horns of a cow or rhino? Horns was a good word for people who didn't yet have headlights on their vehicles, since "beam" hadn't come to them yet.

Here is a painting of Moses with horns.

 

trofimus

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I believe the physical body of Christ came out of God but the eternal being Christ had no origin.
So according to you, Father-Son relationship was existent just for 33 years of Jesus´ physical service in this world?

"The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten.
The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten.
The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding. "


Athanasian Creed.
 
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I believe there is a reason for it. God does not want us to make idols. Not even from Scriptures.
So to believe God preserved his word and to believe every word in it is true is idol worship?
 
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I do not know what Timothy had. We do not have any Scriptures quotations made by him.

Septuagint is the most probable possibility, though.
Do you think that the scriptures that Paul referenced in 2 Timothy 2:15 were inerrant?