Does the Bible contradict itself?

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BeyondET

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the beginning of that passage of Jeremiah 13:10 is what lead up to holding back his protection and let the people be drunkards etc free will, he give them a choice the price paid for doing wrong it's life without his grace a dog eat dog world. The prodigal son parable I think that Jesus gives was a depiction of himself the father also in the parable his compassion promise
 
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It's not quite like that for everyone, I read the bible when I first became saved but it wasn't until I really got to know God his personality his nature his way of seeing ways of thinking that I really understood what I was reading. And the closer he and I became as our love for each other deepened and became richer he showed and taught me deep and hidden secrets revealed truths to me in the bible and about the bible.

If everyone reads the bible with the holy spirit then why are there so many vast doctrines views and interpretations? It seems many of us believe we are reading and truly understanding it however the fact that so many will attack each other because of difference of interpretations makes me disagree. I don't claim to be able to truly read and understand the bible in fact when I read it I don't truly understand what I am reading it isn't until later on when I am not reading it and spend time with God just being with him does the understanding of his word come to me.
I think I was sort of trying to say the same thing in fewer words. So many people seem to think that God IS the Bible, when, in fact, the purpose of the Bible is to point us towards him. They stop short of getting to know him.
 
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Your answers are so vague, it's frustrating. They could mean almost anything. You keep downplaying God's Word. It seems to me that you're afraid to admit that God's Word is incredibly necessary to help a person mature in their walk with Jesus.
You say that I am vague, but what happens to you when you are not careful what you say?
 
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Note: Lets say the bible does contradict itself, what are you going to primarily put belief into (Fully in God or Fully in the bible)
If God can't even get the book about him right, why bother believing either?
 
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You say that I am vague, but what happens to you when you are not careful what you say?
Let's see these choices:
1. Be vague enough to talk but communicate nothing.
2. Communicate something, but get it wrong occasionally?

2 wins -- hands down. If I want 1, I'll eat the fortune cookies while reading the vague. At least I get something for the effort.
 
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If? And why bother with a book about him unless he wanted to teach?
Yes, the Lord wants to teach, and he does so with, and without, the Bible. We should always be listening to what he is saying to us. That's what the Bible teaches: to develop a personal relationship with him.
 
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Let's see these choices:
1. Be vague enough to talk but communicate nothing.
2. Communicate something, but get it wrong occasionally?

2 wins -- hands down. If I want 1, I'll eat the fortune cookies while reading the vague. At least I get something for the effort.
Some people will try to trap you. It's always good to be careful what you say.
 

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In some parts of the Bible, you read that God is merciful to all ~The Lord is good to all; he has compassion on all he has made.
Psalm 145:9 and some parts you read that God is warlike and unmerciful ~I will smash them one against the other, parents and children alike, declares the Lord. I will allow no pity or mercy or compassion to keep me from destroying them. Jeremiah 13:14 how can this be? I really want to believe God is real, but how can i believe if there are two opposite accounts of what God is like? I dont believe that in Genesis 1 & 2 God fixed thing up as he went (ie Adam being lonely with the aninals and no Eve). I believe God wanted to show Adam what it was like to be lonely and God wanted Adam to be totally dependant on him. I just dont get how there can be two opposite accounts of what God is like.
God's word is alive and reverberating thru time. It is bigger and more fluid than any of man's languages can contain. That's why you don't rely on any one translation, but on a consensus of many, and additional study and experience. And even then realizing we understand but a tenth of it.

God has compassion on all, but that doesn't mean He's going to roll over and let people walk on Him. He's willing to make peace but for those who reject peace He treats them accordingly. Kinda like parents and teen age kids, if I may. You love each other but at times want to strangle each other. God loves us all, but those who sow His wrath will reap it.

I'm with you on God wanting to show Adam his need for and dependence on Him. And of Adam's need for a proper wife, foreshadowing the Bride of the Lamb.

God's word never contradicts. So the trick is in discerning how seemingly opposite statements can both be true.
 

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In some parts of the Bible, you read that God is merciful to all ~The Lord is good to all; he has compassion on all he has made.
Psalm 145:9 and some parts you read that God is warlike and unmerciful ~I will smash them one against the other, parents and children alike, declares the Lord. I will allow no pity or mercy or compassion to keep me from destroying them. Jeremiah 13:14 how can this be? I really want to believe God is real, but how can i believe if there are two opposite accounts of what God is like? I dont believe that in Genesis 1 & 2 God fixed thing up as he went (ie Adam being lonely with the aninals and no Eve). I believe God wanted to show Adam what it was like to be lonely and God wanted Adam to be totally dependant on him. I just dont get how there can be two opposite accounts of what God is like.
No.

God is merciful and understanding like a father but He is also holy like a King. His nature is not contradicting. He is who He is, God almighty.
 
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The Bible does not contradict itself, remember God is not just a God of love but a God of justice, righteous wrath, holiness, etc. If you miss that, which is shown in both the Old and New Testaments, then you will have a wrong picture of God. Ask God what he means and then make sure you read those verses in context, meditate on them, ponder them, and if you still do not understand, just say I don't understand this, please help me to understand and to trust you despite this misunderstanding of mine. God bless.
 

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The Lord instruction never get contradict itself.It's very simple.Because it the Word of God.Just get your attention to next verses on this way, KJV.2Timothy3;16 ,All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; KJV.2Peter1;20-21,20.Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpetation.21.For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man; but Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
 

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The New Testament has apparent contradictions like:

· Strait is the gate and narrow is the way, but my yoke is easy and my burden is light;
· Salvation is not by works, but we must have good works.

And there are differences between the Old and the New Testaments that may be called contradictions, like:

· It was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, do not resist the one who is evil, but if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

In my opinion this is not a contradiction – it’s just a law change.
 
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Jesus is the express image of the father, this is what God is like. Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the Father, when looking at the Old Testament there are some differences up to the point that Jesus is Crucified on the Cross. Many do not realize that the Old Covenant is till in effect at the time Jesus begins his ministry and the New Covenant is not until Jesus died on the cross. Anyway I just want to stress if you want to know what God is like in nature, Jesus is what he is like, and he did demonstrate wrath on the Cities of Choarazon and Bethsida those cities are in ruins to this day.

So Read Exodus 34:5-7 This is when God reveals himself to Moses. 5 And the Lord descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord.6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.


Okay so you are right, there is a contradiction and its in verse 7 "Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity, and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty."

Psalm 32
Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

So we know God is just but yet covers sins, this is known as the great problem of the Old Testament. So how does God remain just and cover sin? If a judge were to cover the crime of a convict imagine the headlines to roll off the news paper what types of names they would call such a judge. Corrupt, crooked, unjust, just to name a few.

Yet God is a God who is just but yet covers up sin, but still the guilty do not go unpunished. King David even asked the question how can God be just and let the guilty go unpunished?

Well here is the punishment of the transgressor/sinner, "The wages of Sin is death..." Romans 3:23 thats right what this means is that for God to be just without covering sins, he would have had to kill Adam the moment he sinned in the garden ending humanity. He would have had to kill Abraham the moment he sinned, and ultimately he would have to kill you and me. This creates even a greater problem, how is God to be just without carrying out the sentence of the transgressor?

Well the Answer is Christ, he took the wrath of God for our sins and placed on us his righteousness.
Paul said "God demonstrates his own righteousness in this in while we were yet sinners, Christ died for the ungodly."

So what is going on is God is demonstrating his wrath on the sinners in the Old Testament because they are not of the covenant. Those who were under the covenant of Moses had their sins covered by the promise. Those who were not under the covenant of moses suffered the wrath of God for their transgressions, death. And yes even their children, and it seems those who dare threaten the children of the promise were utterly destroyed.

One of the biggest lies satan has pulled over man isn't his non existence its that there is such thing as a good person.
Everyone has sinned against Holy God, and are deserving of death and destruction, its by the Grace of Jesus Christ we through faith in Him exchange our sins once and for all on the cross and receive the righteousness of sinless Jesus Christ, and by his blood we are declared justified meaning absolved of all guilt.

So while the woman caught in adultery should have been stoned according to moses, Jesus Christ showed compassion and even paid for her sins, just as he does for you and for me.




 

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There are contradictions, yet there is a reason which is not contradictory. In Genesis 2 it contradicts the precept set in Genesis 1 if one interprets that they are two different accounts of same event.


20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.Gen 1:20
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.Gen 1:24



Gen 2:19
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air;





Jesus is the express image of the father, this is what God is like. Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the Father,
The written word is the spoken word reduced to matter.
 
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There are contradictions, yet there is a reason which is not contradictory. In Genesis 2 it contradicts the precept set in Genesis 1 if one interprets that they are two different accounts of same event.



The written word is the spoken word reduced to matter.
How so, Zmouth?
 

Zmouth

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These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created,
in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Gen 2:4

The heaven, or body of light that forms the expanse of outer space in Genesis 1:1 is one,
the Heaven, or body of gas that forms the cloud of the firmament in Genesis 1:8 is two.
 

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The bible may contradict itself to some and not to others and to still others it doesn't matter. I fall into the last group. My reasoning is that when Satan is revealed God will send a powerful delusion, 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 and since God is unchanging, I am assuming that He allowed inconsistencies in His word to delude those who will not believe anyway.
 
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These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created,
in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Gen 2:4

The heaven, or body of light that forms the expanse of outer space in Genesis 1:1 is one,
the Heaven, or body of gas that forms the cloud of the firmament in Genesis 1:8 is two.
In the day = around that time = during Creation Week. Context is key.