Does voting make us responsible?

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I think it's a matter of voting for the "lesser evil"
if we don't vote at all, we don't have any control of what our nation does
We don't have control regardless.
It is God who ordains authorities, not mankind.
 

Crustyone

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I vote because the government that God put in place wants me to. I don't believe our votes will have an influence on who God wants in power, but I put in the effort.
 
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#23
My energy regarding the topic is in order to counteract the attitudes of my father's and grandfather's generations.
I don't want to have ANY energy about the topic, but desire to ignore it completely.

Hopefully, I'll soon give up on telling others to not care about such worldly affairs, and get on with my own not caring about such worldly affairs.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Responsible people exercise their civic duties and do so responsibly. One of these involves voting.
 

Angela53510

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I am looking forward to voting in our election coming up Oct. 19. We have a dictator and liar for prime minister right now. I know there are issues with the other 4 parties, but one doesn't run candidates outside Quebec, one I wouldn't vote for if you paid me $1 million.

That leaves me with 2 parties, 2 candidates. I am waiting to learn about the local candidates, because they will actually look out for my interests, not the party leader.

I don't understand why people don't see that NOT voting is a vote for nothing. That means you are letting other people decide who runs the country. It is abdicating the responsibilty that a democracy demands. Maybe some of you would rather live in China or North Korea, where you do not have the right to vote or have any say in the way the country is run.

All that it takes is for good people to walk away from an election and the evil people will fill in that vacuum. Being subject to the authorities in a democracy means voting and taking part in the political process.

"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed." Romans 13:1-7
 
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Foger

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Thank you. I agree it distracts. It does little except encourage a system which we have no control over. Especially on big issues. Voting yes, I support the whole thing when there are so many other ways to protest the bad parts. I'd like us to try to stop voting. Stop supporting their system, and vote off to ourselves. Scream about murders, and see if that does any good.

Some Christians vote on issues that can send police to doors of other good people. Getting them arrested or worse, if they don't obey. These votes usually don't count at all, but some still vote in them, and they have asked people underage to vote on it. Guns, drugs, a long time ago. Beer in some smaller cities. Beer sales, gun sales. I know the constitution, makes some think it's ok, to vote against other people's rights, but does the bible? Does the bible say we're not responsible if we vote through the government? If we vote to put chains on other good people, without a cause on that good person. To tell them how they should live, or they go to jail, are we not responsible? How did this start please? And does the bible support it? Thank you.
 
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atwhatcost

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My energy regarding the topic is in order to counteract the attitudes of my father's and grandfather's generations.
I don't want to have ANY energy about the topic, but desire to ignore it completely.

Hopefully, I'll soon give up on telling others to not care about such worldly affairs, and get on with my own not caring about such worldly affairs.
Hopefully, you'll grow up and realize we're supposed to care, even taking it up a fe notches to love.
 
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atwhatcost

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Thank you. I agree it distracts. It does little except encourage a system which we have no control over. Especially on big issues. Voting yes, I support the whole thing when there are so many other ways to protest the bad parts. I'd like us to try to stop voting. Stop supporting their system, and vote off to ourselves. Scream about murders, and see if that does any good.

Some Christians vote on issues that can send police to doors of other good people. Getting them arrested or worse, if they don't obey. These votes usually don't count at all, but some still vote in them, and they have asked people underage to vote on it. Guns, drugs, a long time ago. Beer in some smaller cities. Beer sales, gun sales. I know the constitution, makes some think it's ok, to vote against other people's rights, but does the bible? Does the bible say we're not responsible if we vote through the government? If we vote to put chains on other good people, without a cause on that good person. To tell them how they should live, or they go to jail, are we not responsible? How did this start please? And does the bible support it? Thank you.
You agree it distracts? Who are you agreeing with?

I get this distinct feeling you're having a monologue, not a dialog.
 
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And Paul never tried to remove slavery either.
 
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Hopefully, you'll grow up and realize we're supposed to care, even taking it up a fe notches to love.
voting is not the type of "care" we are supposed to have. It is impersonal.
 
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jennymae

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#32
You're responsible whether you vote or not. The law of America is that the citizen is the king and the obligations of the citizen is to maintain America as an independent nation and to influence America in any way possible.
Since when did the politicians treat you like a king?
 
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jennymae

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I am looking forward to voting in our election coming up Oct. 19. We have a dictator and liar for prime minister right now. I know there are issues with the other 4 parties, but one doesn't run candidates outside Quebec, one I wouldn't vote for if you paid me $1 million.
Hmmm...if somebody paid you $1,000,000...maybe you could pay 10,000 persons a $100 each for not voting for him?:p
 

Angela53510

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Hmmm...if somebody paid you $1,000,000...maybe you could pay 10,000 persons a $100 each for not voting for him?:p
Great idea! In the swing ridings, this vote buying could change the course of the election. Of course, it is slightly against the law, and Jesus might not like that very much!
 
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Since when did the politicians treat you like a king?
All the time, and they always have to for as long as the current American system exists and has existed. The same goes for you also, I'm not unique in this regard by any means, merely your co-equal.

I suppose in some ways it's merely a matter of assertion and realization of this concept. It's the heart of US legalism. If you want to even call it legalism, the laws are so few, it's fairly easy to follow even by accident. Lol, we're all doing it right now, even the foreigners lol.

Voting is a good example of merely one small tool in utilizing your right as monarch. Since you be king you also maintain the right to vote or not vote on issues ranging from hiring or firing government servants to direct issues. Not voting itself is a statement just as much as voting is and does not abrogate the law of America which is that you're king of America. Either way you are still in part responsible for whomever is elected, even Obama, whether you voted, didn't vote, or whatever simply by recognizing the system or the system recognizing you (which for most, but not all, is at birth). But there is some silver-lining. Obama, and no president, is actually the leader, they are only servants, and they are not the only servants.
 
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All the time, and they always have to for as long as the current American system exists and has existed. The same goes for you also, I'm not unique in this regard by any means, merely your co-equal.

I suppose in some ways it's merely a matter of assertion and realization of this concept. It's the heart of US legalism. If you want to even call it legalism, the laws are so few, it's fairly easy to follow even by accident. Lol, we're all doing it right now, even the foreigners lol.

Voting is a good example of merely one small tool in utilizing your right as monarch. Since you be king you also maintain the right to vote or not vote on issues ranging from hiring or firing government servants to direct issues. Not voting itself is a statement just as much as voting is and does not abrogate the law of America which is that you're king of America. Either way you are still in part responsible for whomever is elected, even Obama, whether you voted, didn't vote, or whatever simply by recognizing the system or the system recognizing you (which for most, but not all, is at birth). But there is some silver-lining. Obama, and no president, is actually the leader, they are only servants, and they are not the only servants.
Politicians are not servants of the people, but servants of lobbyists.

There is no actual representation. You have been lied to.

It is our Christian duty to IGNORE all politics. Let Ceasar run his own house (to th ground). This is not our home.
We are not citizens of ANY earthly nation. We are citizens of the Heavenly Kingdom.

Being a patriot of an earthly nation is counter-Christian.
Thinking that you are responsible for any political outcome goes against the Sovereignty of God.
Democracy is political humanism. Man thinking he creates his own destiny, and is in control of outcomes.

Also, remember to wear your seatbelt and make sure you bought your mandatory insurance and don't jaywalk and don't spank your kids.
 
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The´ve served THEMSELVES... God also warned ISRAEL on that matter but, as long as Jesus comes... :(

I´m against politicians.
 
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Protecting themselves (by default votes?)

Read this, there: "...The proposal would impact nearly five million additional workers by raising the salary threshold for which workers are guaranteed overtime protections. It would also prevent future erosion of the protections by automatically updating the threshold based on inflation or wage growth over time.

The new proposal matters for millions of workers, but it's particularly impactful for women..."
 
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