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God doesn't want us to be uninvolved...jesus taught us that we should be a light in the world...
notice that jesus didn't say the be a light 'everywhere in the world except...'
God never told christians to withdraw from any part of society or concede anything to satan...
we are supposed to represent christ in all parts of our lives...and that includes in politics...
notice that jesus didn't say the be a light 'everywhere in the world except...'
God never told christians to withdraw from any part of society or concede anything to satan...
we are supposed to represent christ in all parts of our lives...and that includes in politics...
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That's misrepresenting the issue, and also my position.
I can be, and am, very involved in my community. Voting does not add to involvement.
It is FALSE involvement.
Your vote can never be a "light". It can only express your moral/societal/political view.
Our view of morals is not part of the Gospel. Our solution to failed morals IS the Gospel, not legislation.
"In all parts of our lives... and that includes in politics" - I counter that "politics" is not a part of our New Life. It is part of our old life. We are not here to change the world. We are here to reach out, and pull some of those stuck in the world, out of it.
Our mission is an extraction mission.
It is not a conquer/restore campaign... yet.
I can be, and am, very involved in my community. Voting does not add to involvement.
It is FALSE involvement.
Your vote can never be a "light". It can only express your moral/societal/political view.
Our view of morals is not part of the Gospel. Our solution to failed morals IS the Gospel, not legislation.
"In all parts of our lives... and that includes in politics" - I counter that "politics" is not a part of our New Life. It is part of our old life. We are not here to change the world. We are here to reach out, and pull some of those stuck in the world, out of it.
Our mission is an extraction mission.
It is not a conquer/restore campaign... yet.
I can see how many think this, but it is not yet totally over for America, though that day does swiftly approach. The Bible says we have to respect the law of the land. Either to our great fortune or misfortune the law of this land of America is the citizen is king.
As long as this is still the law of America and there are still Christians in America this can and has been used to great advantage of Christians for centuries to spread the Gospel and the Bible and serve as a sort of safe zone against hardcore persecution. Doesn't mean that's how it'll always be, and for sure this is hard to the press in this time. For now though as long as America does not openly persecute the Christians or try to ban Christianity we should respect the laws of America, which are actually fairly lenient.
As long as this is still the law of America and there are still Christians in America this can and has been used to great advantage of Christians for centuries to spread the Gospel and the Bible and serve as a sort of safe zone against hardcore persecution. Doesn't mean that's how it'll always be, and for sure this is hard to the press in this time. For now though as long as America does not openly persecute the Christians or try to ban Christianity we should respect the laws of America, which are actually fairly lenient.
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I don't mean to sound ungrateful for the blessing I have been given by being born and raised and born again in the US.
It is a great comfort to have these physical freedoms, and I praise God for them.
But I don't praise man for these freedoms,
nor will I bow my head, or hold my hand over my heart for them.
My banner is the love of Christ. No flag will take it's place.
It is a great comfort to have these physical freedoms, and I praise God for them.
But I don't praise man for these freedoms,
nor will I bow my head, or hold my hand over my heart for them.
My banner is the love of Christ. No flag will take it's place.
I know what you mean, and I feel like that way too sometimes and many people do. It is more like knowing your place in it. Really even in the Bible though Jesus touches on political issues that arise he never broke any law at all which that alone is pretty amazing. Everyone has broken the law, even the vain laws of men, but that's why Jesus obviously triumphs over the laws of men because he has mercy and forgiveness. Indeed no flag can replace Jesus. However as it stands currently, there is also no law in America against mercy, forgiveness, or Jesus either that I am aware.
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There's no law that tells me to put my hand over my heart and swear an oath to a flag,
So I'll never do it. It's idolatry to me. Idolizing nationalism.
Nor is there a law requiring me to vote.
not only does it not make a difference, according to the Word,
but it would also would require me to waste time being distracted, by learning about worldly affairs, in order to make an informed decision.
So I'll never do it. It's idolatry to me. Idolizing nationalism.
Nor is there a law requiring me to vote.
not only does it not make a difference, according to the Word,
but it would also would require me to waste time being distracted, by learning about worldly affairs, in order to make an informed decision.
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voting is not 'false involvement'...voting is a chance to influence our government on issues that the bible speaks about...such as the value of human life...the definition of marriage...and so on...
neglecting to vote is neglecting to actually do something that makes a real difference on those issues...
neglecting to vote is neglecting to actually do something that makes a real difference on those issues...
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this is a misinterpretation of scripture...
God may ordain authorities...but he often ordains the authorities that the people desire...for example when God gave the israelites a king...it was because they wanted one...
furthermore sometimes people appoint authorities against God's direction...and he simply allows it...
God may ordain authorities...but he often ordains the authorities that the people desire...for example when God gave the israelites a king...it was because they wanted one...
furthermore sometimes people appoint authorities against God's direction...and he simply allows it...
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You're not influencing the government on much at all Rachel. Then over looking Japan. Unneeded mass murder with Russia very close, to help. Not a one time mistake, they're not sorry. Soldiers trained to follow, and never question even on murder. Juries that convict on a maybe. Prosecutors, and judges, who don't care about good. They serve the law. Our children getting influenced, with no sense of right and wrong. You don't make the whole nation thieves, bullies, and possible accessory's to murderer, to stop five hundred crimes. Drugs. No one should be locked up for using any drug. And, them letting elderly moan in pain, to do it. You can influence the government with protest, or I believe not voting at all. If all Christians, and ten percent more that are good didn't. Voting in their system, is picking a candidate, who will do all of these things, Christians don't vote on.
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You have bought a lie.
I expect better from you.
The future is set forth and outlined. It is not your responsibility.
Your responsibility is to get the Word out about the Good News.
Voting never saved a soul. It just has distracted many a Believer into foolish arguments over worldly affairs, and ideologies that they falsely attribute to the Bible. By being politically active, we make liars and hypocrites of ourselves.
I expect better from you.
The future is set forth and outlined. It is not your responsibility.
Your responsibility is to get the Word out about the Good News.
Voting never saved a soul. It just has distracted many a Believer into foolish arguments over worldly affairs, and ideologies that they falsely attribute to the Bible. By being politically active, we make liars and hypocrites of ourselves.
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in the bible God tells his people to remove the evil from among them...so trying to make a difference in society on behalf of biblical morality -is- our responsibility...
yes God has his plans...and many times God chooses to have his people carry out those plans...it -is- our responsibility to do our part...
yes God has his plans...and many times God chooses to have his people carry out those plans...it -is- our responsibility to do our part...
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But is "our part" ever political in nature?
Can we "remove the evil among" us by our political activities?
Our calling is not to create a false pretense of holiness through law.
Our calling is to show Christ to the lost, and serve our family in Christ.
If law could "remove evil", then there would be no need of the better Covenant.
Voting is useless, and a distraction from our Calling.
The only excuse for political involvement is if one believes in postmillenialism! (Kingdom Now, Open Theism, Dominion Theology).
It is NOT our responsibility. That is the lie Satan wants you to believe. Cast it off. It is a worldly care.
Can we "remove the evil among" us by our political activities?
Our calling is not to create a false pretense of holiness through law.
Our calling is to show Christ to the lost, and serve our family in Christ.
If law could "remove evil", then there would be no need of the better Covenant.
Voting is useless, and a distraction from our Calling.
The only excuse for political involvement is if one believes in postmillenialism! (Kingdom Now, Open Theism, Dominion Theology).
It is NOT our responsibility. That is the lie Satan wants you to believe. Cast it off. It is a worldly care.