Earthquakes in Diverse Places

[garee]

Yeah earthquakes have always been in diverse places but the fact it is a sign of a prophetic event would mean he was not speak of just any kind of earthquakes. I mean we are talking horrific earth shattering kinds of quakes completely abnormal even by level ten standards and it would be more than noticeable. These kinds of quakes will be a part of a time this world has never seen and never will again that is why they are so intense and horrific and whats worse is that they will be all over the place. People who say it has happened and Jesus has already returned clearly do not understand exactly how severe all this is going to be I doubt i could even image the level of horror it will be and I am very good at creative writing.

Why try a imagine if our hearts are not a source of faith? I don’t think we can create things that are not there. That’s something He does as a work of our Faithful Creator.

That’s a job more for Hollywood like Mel Gibson and his gory depiction to excite the emotions in anticipation of seeking after something.

Big difference between a sign to observe, a sign of the times or season and signs and wonders that cause amazement.

He will come as a thief in the night .He does not mark days like that. Men would be quick to try and fill it. Noah’s ark would of not been big enough.

Christ said more than once it’s an evil generation (natural man, no faith) that does seek after signs called wonders. He informs us no sign with given in that way. He fulfilled the last sign and wonder needed .The veil is rent.

The father of lies is still bringing signs as lying wonders and God is still sending a strong delusion for men to believe the lie.

It’s the conclusion of the teaching in Mathew 24 warning us not to look to the e temporal as that seen with our eyes but rather walk by faith, the unseen eternal

It’s the conclusion of the teaching in Mathew 24 warning us not to look to the temporal as that seen with our eyes but rather walk by faith the unseen eternal

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shallno sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Not sure what your point is there garee...

 

[Noose]

We are in the great tribulation now but no one even notices. The great tribulation as described in Rev 6 is basically death by: sword (Wars), famine (Natural disasters - earthquakes/tornadoes), beasts of the earth (animals and machinery- accidents), pestilences (diseases). Even though the intensity will increase, no one notices. The only thing that makes these dangerous is that we are in the end times already and it's critical because:

Rev 14:13And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead — those who diein the Lord from this moment on.’” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “- they will rest from their labors, for theirdeeds will follow them.”

 

[Noose]

Yes, they didn't have an awareness of the diverse earthquakes but they were in their own little...space on earth. They did travel by boat but..

So the op thought came to me because I heard someone say Jesus has already come back. So I read Mathew and Luke again to try to understand how the heck someone could believe this.

So Jesus was telling them the signs to know when His time of return was close. But He wasn't giving them something they couldn't possibly understand. He wouldn't just toss a verse in there that didn't have to happen!

Makes sense to me anyway.

Jesus' coming is better described as: He is and was and is to come the Almighty- meaning that there's no specific time of his coming that people should wait but rather, people should wait for the end of the age. Jesus does not come as a physical entity either, He comes back as the kingdom of God - which no one can say "come, there it is or here it comes..."
Listen carefully:

Matt 16: 28Truly I tellyou, some who are standing here will not tastedeath until they see the Son of Man coming in Hiskingdom.”

Luke 9: 27“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”

Luke 17: 20Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.” 22Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them. 24For the Son of Man in his day[SUP]d[/SUP] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

Mark 9:1 Then Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste deathuntil they see the kingdom of God arrive with power.”


Matt 26:63But Jesus remained silent. Then the high priest said to Him, “I charge You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You arethe Christ, the Son of God.” 64“You have said it yourself,” Jesus answered. “But I say to all of you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We are in the great tribulation now but no one even notices. The great tribulation as described in Rev 6 is basically death by: sword (Wars), famine (Natural disasters - earthquakes/tornadoes), beasts of the earth (animals and machinery- accidents), pestilences (diseases). Even though the intensity will increase, no one notices. The only thing that makes these dangerous is that we are in the end times already and it's critical because:

Rev 14:13And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead — those who diein the Lord from this moment on.’” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “- they will rest from their labors, for theirdeeds will follow them.”

We are not in the great tribulation now. Event have to occure before the great tribulation starts. For one, the abomination of desolation spoken of by daniel the prophet must be standing in the holy place for all to see. there is no holy place to desolate. Let alone abominate..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus' coming is better described as: He is and was and is to come the Almighty- meaning that there's no specific time of his coming that people should wait but rather, people should wait for the end of the age. Jesus does not come as a physical entity either, He comes back as the kingdom of God - which no one can say "come, there it is or here it comes..."
Listen carefully:

Matt 16: 28Truly I tellyou, some who are standing here will not tastedeath until they see the Son of Man coming in Hiskingdom.”

Luke 9: 27“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”

Luke 17: 20Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.” 22Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them. 24For the Son of Man in his day[SUP]d[/SUP] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

Mark 9:1 Then Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste deathuntil they see the kingdom of God arrive with power.”


Matt 26:63But Jesus remained silent. Then the high priest said to Him, “I charge You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You arethe Christ, the Son of God.” 64“You have said it yourself,” Jesus answered. “But I say to all of you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

the prophets say when he comes, he will land on the mount of olives and the mountain will split into 2. Then he will set up his kingdom in jeruslaem for 1000 years. And promises, any nation who does not come one a year to worship the king will be punished by having no rain fall for a year.

He will come with his robes dipped in blood. He will destroy the beast and false prophet and all their armies, The birds will feast on the flesh of the dead for a year. Only those who endure to the end will be saved.

 

[garee]

Not sure what your point is there garee...

Sorry. I was trying to show the difference between a sign of observation or sign of the times or season and signs as a wonder or sign with wonders.

The difference is good or evil as to how we can hear and understand him not seen.As in all cases its always a faith issue how to understand it as to who the faith comes from .Many simply dismiss the fact that God's needs faith in order to work out his good purposes in us.

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.Mat 24:5

I would ask seeing after those things come to pass the end is not yet, No one knows the days, hour or year.

In consion to the matter in the opening statement verse 4 "Take heed that no man deceive you".It follows below.

Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.Behold, I have told you before.Mat 24:23

Why not possible for the elect?

The, I have told you before is in the warning of looking for signs and wonders, two things . Christ said it an evil generation ,natural man ( no faith) ,that does seek after them .

There are probably better ways to offer that and no excuse but my ability because of my lack of education make it harder for me then most I would guess that do have a good writing ability .

Search for the difference between a sign of observation (one thing) and signs and wonders .(two things).

Luke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they "seek a sign"; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.

The generation of Christ as new creature will not seek after signs and wonders gospel the last one was fulfilled.And God is no longer bring any new revelations as of the book of Revelation. Satan still has the freedom to offer them.

 

[Noose]

We are not in the great tribulation now. Event have to occure before the great tribulation starts. For one, the abomination of desolation spoken of by daniel the prophet must be standing in the holy place for all to see. there is no holy place to desolate. Let alone abominate..

There's only 2 places in the entire New Testament where wisdom is called for:
1. When Jesus said "when you see the abomination.....let the reader understand"
and
2. 666- let he who has wisdom calculate

If for a moment you thought that the abomination will be something physical happening in a physical place or some armies surrounding a physical city, then you need to renew your mind- for what wisdom is required to see physical armies???!

Truly truly i tell you, we are very deep into the antichrist (we are almost done), the abomination is a spiritual event that happened 3.5AD

 

[Noose]

the prophets say when he comes, he will land on the mount of olives and the mountain will split into 2. Then he will set up his kingdom in jeruslaem for 1000 years. And promises, any nation who does not come one a year to worship the king will be punished by having no rain fall for a year.

He will come with his robes dipped in blood. He will destroy the beast and false prophet and all their armies, The birds will feast on the flesh of the dead for a year. Only those who endure to the end will be saved.

All that is symbolic. Like i have shown you, Jesus comes back as the kingdom of God which was and is and is to come until the last believer is added then the end of age comes.
Jesus also fights with sword of His mouth- doesn't mean that a blade will be coming out from His mouth and slashing the armies of the world, it is the believers (temple of God aka Jerusalem) that judge the world.
so:

Zac 2:12"The LORD will possess Judah as His portion in the holy land, and will again choose Jerusalem. 13"Be silent, all flesh, before the LORD; for He is aroused from His holy habitation."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There's only 2 places in the entire New Testament where wisdom is called for:
1. When Jesus said "when you see the abomination.....let the reader understand"
and
2. 666- let he who has wisdom calculate

If for a moment you thought that the abomination will be something physical happening in a physical place or some armies surrounding a physical city, then you need to renew your mind- for what wisdom is required to see physical armies???!

Truly truly i tell you, we are very deep into the antichrist (we are almost done), the abomination is a spiritual event that happened 3.5AD

[FONT=&quot]Matt 24: Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[c] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The wisdom comment is there as a warning to people. When you see this occure, you better pay attantion, because something is about to occure. He then goes to tell them what they should do. The abomination is a real thing, Daniel said in his 9th chapter that the prince who is to come, will in th emiddle of a week commit this abomination of desolation. It is a physical thing, Jesus said if we see it then take it as a warning, if it is not a phycial thing, then the warning makes no sense. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]

16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Here is the wisdom, and the warning, when you see the abomination of desolation. DO THIS. Why?

He answers that question.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
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The tribulation occurs AFTER that event, it is a phsyical tribulation which follows a phisical event, it is spoken of all througout scripture. It is called the time of Jacobs trouble. The time of great trouble (Daniel 12) it is a time which is short lived, will be cut short. And will only end when Christ returns, because if he did not return no flesh will survive.

It is not now. Many more things have to occure before it takes place.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All that is symbolic. Like i have shown you, Jesus comes back as the kingdom of God which was and is and is to come until the last believer is added then the end of age comes.
Jesus also fights with sword of His mouth- doesn't mean that a blade will be coming out from His mouth and slashing the armies of the world, it is the believers (temple of God aka Jerusalem) that judge the world.

God does not prophesy in symbols. He porphesies events, that when men see them take place. Prove he is the living God.

The people in jesus day shoudl have recongnized him, because he literally fulfilled prophesies about the suffering servant who would come and take the sins of the world.

Just like when he returns, he will literally fulfill the prophesies of king messiah who will come and rule with a rod of Iron

He may use symols to represent literal events. (Ie 4 nations represented symbolically as beasts, or parts of a statue) But you do not symbolise Gods prophesies.

Jesus does not come back as a kingdom. He comes back as a king, just like the OT prophets said he would.

Birds do not eat symbolic flesh, they eat literal flesh of dead people who have fallen in war. They tried to war against God and lost. Jesus himself took them all out..

it is not symbolic. Again, Symbolic prophesy does not do what God intends it to do. You can not prove symbolic prophesy, You can only prove literal prophesy.

Jesus fulfilled literal prophesies

The 4 gentile kingdoms were literally fulfilled.

The last kingdom will also be lite4rally fulfilled. Then the rock will literally destroy any aspect of gentiles kingdoms when he returns LITERALLY.

 

[Noose]

Matt 24: Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[c] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),

The wisdom comment is there as a warning to people. When you see this occure, you better pay attantion, because something is about to occure. He then goes to tell them what they should do. The abomination is a real thing, Daniel said in his 9th chapter that the prince who is to come, will in th emiddle of a week commit this abomination of desolation. It is a physical thing, Jesus said if we see it then take it as a warning, if it is not a phycial thing, then the warning makes no sense.

16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

Here is the wisdom, and the warning, when you see the abomination of desolation. DO THIS. Why?

He answers that question.

21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

The tribulation occurs AFTER that event, it is a phsyical tribulation which follows a phisical event, it is spoken of all througout scripture. It is called the time of Jacobs trouble. The time of great trouble (Daniel 12) it is a time which is short lived, will be cut short. And will only end when Christ returns, because if he did not return no flesh will survive.

It is not now. Many more things have to occure before it takes place.

Good. Now that Jesus refers us back to Daniel and Daniel gives us a time line, why don't you just calculate from Daniel's time line and give us a rough estimate as to when the event happens?
When is the 70th week?

 

[Noose]

Jesus does not come back as a kingdom. He comes back as a king, just like the OT prophets said he would.

I'm not going to argue but i'll let you answer this questions:

Matt 16: 28 Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Luke 9: 27“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”

Mark 9:1 Then Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God arrive with power.”

Q1. Why does the son of man coming and the kingdom of God used interchangeably? could it be that they mean the same thing?
Q2. Did anyone standing in that place see Jesus physically return?

Luke 17: 20Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.” 22Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them. 24For the Son of Man in his day[SUP]d[/SUP] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

Q3. Did Jesus just take the explanation that he gave on the kingdom of God and used it on Himself? what was he thinking?

Matt 26:63 ButJesusremained silent.Thenthehigh priestsaidto Him,“I charge You under oathbythe livingGod:TellusifYouare theChrist,theSonof God.”64“You have said it yourself,” Jesus answered. “But I say to all of you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Q4. Why did Jesus say from that moment onward, people will see Him return with the clouds of heaven? Did anyone from that moment onward see Him come with the clouds?

John 16;16In a little while you will see Me no more, and then after a little while you will see Me.” 17Then some of His disciples asked one another, “Why is He telling us, ‘In a little while you will not see Me, and then after a little while you will see Me’ and ‘Because I am going to the Father’?”

Q5. Did Jesus actually mean it when He said in a little while He will be back?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Good. Now that Jesus refers us back to Daniel and Daniel gives us a time line, why don't you just calculate from Daniel's time line and give us a rough estimate as to when the event happens?
When is the 70th week?

Daniel gives the time as to when messiah will be cut off (killed) it is at the end of the 69th week. And it was literally fulfilled to the date (he entered jerusalem on the last day of the 69th week, when he as the prophet said, rode in on a donkey, and was introduced to israel as her messiah) he died a week later.

Then after this, We are told the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and sanctuary (this occured in 70 AD. Almost 40 years after the end of the 69th week.


We are told it will happen with a flood, and it will remain destroyed until the end of war desolations are fulfilled (we are not given a time frame, Jesus apoke of this when he said there will be wars and rumers of wars. Nation will raise against nation, and kingdom against kingdome, but the end is not yet)

We are then told the prince of the people who destroyed the city and sanctuary will confirm a covenant fo 1 week (seven years) (this starts the 70th week. As you can see. There is no way to determine when this will be by the context. Only the begining of the 69 weeks and the end can be confirmed)

we are then told, in the middle of the week (3.5 years later) the prince will place the abomination of desolation in the holy place. This is the abomination of deolation jesus spoke of in Matt 24. So again, as you see, there is no way to determine when, And jesus again confirmed this, when he was asked what will be the time of his comming, and he said no man knows. But ther are signs we can watch out for. The biggest being the abomination of desolation)

Sometime after the end of the 7oth week Jesus will return, because if he did not return, no flesh would survive.

when he returns, the purpose for the tribulation and 70 weeks will be fulfilled. Buit that is another topic.

What do we know is not true? That the great tribulation did not happen during the 7 years after messiah was cut off. Or that there was a great tribulation in that time period. So what we have is what is known as a prophetic gap. They are all over prophetic scripture. Wqhere two events are spoken of. With no hint that a period of time will appear between the two events, they are written in chronoligical order. Thus making it appear they will happen in siccession, the only way to know if they did or not is to wait until they happen.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm not going to argue but i'll let you answer this questions:

Matt 16: 28 Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Luke 9: 27“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”

Mark 9:1 Then Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God arrive with power.”

Q1. Why does the son of man coming and the kingdom of God used interchangeably? could it be that they mean the same thing?
Q2. Did anyone standing in that place see Jesus physically return?

Luke 17: 20Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.” 22Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them. 24For the Son of Man in his day[SUP]d[/SUP] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

Q3. Did Jesus just take the explanation that he gave on the kingdom of God and used it on Himself? what was he thinking?

Matt 26:63 ButJesusremained silent.Thenthehigh priestsaidto Him,“I charge You under oathbythe livingGod:TellusifYouare theChrist,theSonof God.”64“You have said it yourself,” Jesus answered. “But I say to all of you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Q4. Why did Jesus say from that moment onward, people will see Him return with the clouds of heaven? Did anyone from that moment onward see Him come with the clouds?

The kingdom of God is at hand. It started with john the baptist. Spread out by the sapostles and is with us today.

The kiongdom of God as spoken of by propets where jesus rule with a rod of iron is not at hand, Satan is not bound, and jesus is not punishing nations who did not come worship him in jerusalem.

It helps when you study context. And see what is really going on. It hurts when you try to symbolis things, just because they did not happen the way it was said they would happen.

Did Jesus return? You answered your own question.

will he return? Yes, as it was prophesied he will return. When he does. Those living will see him return in the clouds, the same way he rose to the couds ind disapeared.

its not that hard..

DOn;t symbolise it to make it fit your belief, Wait till it happens. Then you will KNOW it is fulfilled.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I've read your posts noose. I can't say I was able to completely understand you but I did get that you seem to believe prophecy is more symbolic than literal. I personally see a mixture of the two most of the time.

When something big is happening in heaven, we see signs of it on earth and in the sky. Like the star or comet when Jesus was born. Or the signs in the sky that Joel gives concerning that terrible time coming on the world to test all people. Many more examples are in there too. These are only a few.

I don't have a big problem with you thinking none of it will literally occur on earth. I just read it much differently. Honestly, I read things like Joel with just like...wide eyed wonderment because it sounds like events that are so foreign to me. From the time of my childhood I've never SEEN anything like what is described to happen by the prophets in the last days. (Except maybe in science fiction movies.)

The only time I really take issue is if someone arrogantly states as fact things that none of us really has a totally firm grasp of. Got no problem with someone giving what they think about what the prophets have said. Only becomes a problem if it is arrogant avowal. And even then, their arrogance doesn't make me angry - it makes me worry for them.

 

[Noose]

Daniel gives the time as to when messiah will be cut off (killed) it is at the end of the 69th week. And it was literally fulfilled to the date (he entered jerusalem on the last day of the 69th week, when he as the prophet said, rode in on a donkey, and was introduced to israel as her messiah) he died a week later.

Then after this, We are told the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and sanctuary (this occured in 70 AD. Almost 40 years after the end of the 69th week.


We are told it will happen with a flood, and it will remain destroyed until the end of war desolations are fulfilled (we are not given a time frame, Jesus apoke of this when he said there will be wars and rumers of wars. Nation will raise against nation, and kingdom against kingdome, but the end is not yet)

We are then told the prince of the people who destroyed the city and sanctuary will confirm a covenant fo 1 week (seven years) (this starts the 70th week. As you can see. There is no way to determine when this will be by the context. Only the begining of the 69 weeks and the end can be confirmed)

we are then told, in the middle of the week (3.5 years later) the prince will place the abomination of desolation in the holy place. This is the abomination of deolation jesus spoke of in Matt 24. So again, as you see, there is no way to determine when, And jesus again confirmed this, when he was asked what will be the time of his comming, and he said no man knows. But ther are signs we can watch out for. The biggest being the abomination of desolation)

Sometime after the end of the 7oth week Jesus will return, because if he did not return, no flesh would survive.

when he returns, the purpose for the tribulation and 70 weeks will be fulfilled. Buit that is another topic.

What do we know is not true? That the great tribulation did not happen during the 7 years after messiah was cut off. Or that there was a great tribulation in that time period. So what we have is what is known as a prophetic gap. They are all over prophetic scripture. Wqhere two events are spoken of. With no hint that a period of time will appear between the two events, they are written in chronoligical order. Thus making it appear they will happen in siccession, the only way to know if they did or not is to wait until they happen.

You are all over the place. Can you show the calculation in the 70 week prophesy that brought you to 33 AD (when Jesus dies) as the end of the 69th week?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Oh poor garee...you have taken all that time and effort to try to make more clear to me what point you were trying to make and it has STILL gone right over my head. I'm so sorry. I'll try to read it one more time and see if I find some understanding. Very sorry!

 

[garee]

We are not in the great tribulation now. Event have to occure before the great tribulation starts. For one, the abomination of desolation spoken of by daniel the prophet must be standing in the holy place for all to see. there is no holy place to desolate. Let alone abominate..

The time of reformation which marked the beginning of the last days has come over two thousand literal years ago. Something many dismiss.

The Jews who were temporally used as shadows in parables for the time then present lost that honor at the time of reformation .

The veil is rent marking the beginning of the last days in respect to the signified thousand year a unknown amount of time .

The reformation caused the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel.

When looking at the parable we should apply the prescription below. It can keep our focus up after the eternal, not horizontal after the temporal things seen. We walk by the unseen faith principle the light of God's word not by sight after the literal

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

There is no more temporal Holy place as that seen used as a shadow to represent the unseen eternal .
Exposing the uncovered Jews like the unconverted gentile that have no Spirit of Christ is a tribulation that will never occur again

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure/parable for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, "imposed on them" until the "time of reformation".

Again the time of reformation exposed the the outward Jew as the antichrists (many) that were already there .

 

[Noose]

I've read your posts noose. I can't say I was able to completely understand you but I did get that you seem to believe prophecy is more symbolic than literal. I personally see a mixture of the two most of the time.

When something big is happening in heaven, we see signs of it on earth and in the sky. Like the star or comet when Jesus was born. Or the signs in the sky that Joel gives concerning that terrible time coming on the world to test all people. Many more examples are in there too. These are only a few.

I don't have a big problem with you thinking none of it will literally occur on earth. I just read it much differently. Honestly, I read things like Joel with just like...wide eyed wonderment because it sounds like events that are so foreign to me. From the time of my childhood I've never SEEN anything like what is described to happen by the prophets in the last days. (Except maybe in science fiction movies.)

The only time I really take issue is if someone arrogantly states as fact things that none of us really has a totally firm grasp of. Got no problem with someone giving what they think about what the prophets have said. Only becomes a problem if it is arrogant avowal. And even then, their arrogance doesn't make me angry - it makes me worry for them.

True, somethings will be physical but most things will not be physical.
Remember, the end will be like the times of Noah, people will drinking and eating, marrying and being given to marriage- meaning that everything shall be normal to the people.
You certainly won't give your daughter to marriage is stars are falling all over the place and the sun stops shinning and angels blowing trumpets all over, would You?